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This is a very tricky question (thread) to reply to. In my humble opinion I don't know that there is a correct answer to the originally stated question. There are so many factors that go into competing at all collegiate levels. Does it count if a wrestler started DI and then transferred or stepped away from the sport after a year or two? One could respectfully debate the fact that some wrestlers take non-traditional paths into their college experiences now days. Additionally, many wrestlers arrive at their college choice only to find that it wasn't what they expected; or the coach who recruited them has now taken a different job; or academics trip them up; or an injury derails their college wrestling experience. There are numerous factors that play out as an 18 year-old embarks on a college wrestling journey. There can be many pitfalls along the way... as is there can be many rewards to be had if a little grit is demonstrated. With athlete retention in mind I believe more wrestlers (and their parents) could do a better job of 1)researching a variety of schools before making a final selection; 2)working on their time management skills in MS and HS to better ensure "life success" in college; and 3)realizing that wrestling at any collegiate level is very grueling. As they say... "it's a job." You have to love the sport, be willing to navigate set-backs, and have the ability to keep your eye on the ball. In getting back to the original topic, DI wrestling isn't for everyone. It is absolutely best-practice for an athlete (and his/her parents) to be realistic in what level of collegiate wrestling they want to take part in. A productive and fulfilling wrestling experience can be had at all collegiate levels depending on what the student-athlete is after. As a reminder... it is college... so some level of academic achievement should be placed into the equation. A wrestler at a DIII college studying pre-med is obviously a different situation than a wrestler navigating the rigors of a Big Ten program and schedule. Two different scenarios... two different goals in mind... both are to be applauded. I tip my hat to any young man or young lady that finishes 4+ years of collegiate wrestling at any level and walks away with memories, achievements, and a college degree.

I got bored and I wanted to avoid the actual work that I have to do, so I coded a Monte Carlo simulation of the IHSAA state wrestling tournament in Matlab. To determine win probabilities of wrestlers, I used a rating system comprising rank, record, and grade (~67% rank, 20% record, ~13% grade). With this, an undefeated senior ranked #1 has about a 90% win percentage against the worst wrestler meaning that the worst wrestler has about a 95% chance of winning one match if about 30 matches are wrestled against the best wrestler. I set the simulation to run 1,000,000 times (admittedly this was probably ridiculous, but oh well). The amount of times each wrestler got each place was tabulated and used to make the observations below (Some Many of which are trivial). 106: Lowery is top 4 58.63% of the time (73% of the times he places) Miller wins 18.36% of the time (the most despite being on the same side as (2) and (3) Miller only makes it to the finals 32.16% of the time, but wins 57% of the finals matches he’s in Chundi has very similar results Triana wins the 2nd least of any wrestler at any weight (0.14%) 113: Cottey wins the 2nd most of any other wrestler at any weight (27.93%) Cottey and Ross are only ones at 113 that win more than 10% of the time 120: Seltzer is top 3 more than half of the time (58.44%) Diaz actually ends up better than Bettich on average 126: Dalton and Roberson have very similar chances at 1st 2nd and 3rd Rioux wins 20.45% with 365802 finals appearances 132: Nothing too significant 138: Campbell makes the finals more than Bailey, but loses more often when he gets there, leading to similar 1st place finishes 145: Pretty good pairings here for top 4, no real surprises 152: Boe, Kervin, and Hall all win more than Coleman Coleman wins almost 60% of the 254,538 finals matches 160: Levitz has the best shot at reaching the finals here (32.76%) 170: On average, Deters is able to do better than Calhoun 182: Walker has the highest finals win percentage of anyone Warren makes his way to the finals 273,963 times, but has a 50-50 shot at winning once he’s there Lone is very similar, just less finals appearances 195: Silas runs away with 319,526 times on top of the podium If kemper makes the finals, he wins more often than not 220: Not too much interesting here 285: Dancy and Irick win more than Keys, Swallow makes a solid run most of the time placing top 5 about 52.80% of the time Summary: Most of these actual numbers are completely meaningless as they are only as good as the data I had at my disposal. The overall trends however are at least somewhat representative of what is likely. I thought this would be an interesting look at the state tournament and it was (for me at least) and really highlights how effective a good or bad draw can be. That’s all from me for now, but ill answer just about any questions either about the simulation or how certain people finished. Overall, it was fun and I hope to try this again with better ratings and such, potentially using old state tournaments as training data for a machine learning rating system. Monte Carlo Results.pdf

1. Will Viduya get the golden bookend? Alec Viduya won a state title as a freshman at 113lbs, but since then his nemesis Asa Garcia has tripped him up twice. Garcia is in Bloomington now and the path seems clear to end on top of the podium. The other likely contenders include Brock Ellis, Jaden Reynolds, and Reece Luhmann. Luhmann went to overtime with Viduya last week. The "golden bookend" has been done three other times throughout Indiana history. The first was Ray Webb of Bloomington University who won titles at 120lbs as a freshman and 145lbs as a senior. The next to do it was current Evansville Mater Dei coach Greg Schaeffer. In 1995 he won a state title at 100lbs and again reached the top step of the podium in 1998 at 119lbs. The last person to accomplish this feat was Indian Creek's Ethan Raley. He won a title as a freshman at 103lbs, then again at 135lbs as a senior. 2. Team Race The team race is going to be hotly contested from the getgo. Mater Dei looks to be the favorite on paper early on. Crown Point has some brutal Saturday morning matches that could determine the state title. Brownsburg is lurking with a couple state title contenders and other placers. Never count out two-time defending champions Cathedral. Friday night could set the stage for one or more of the contenders to pull away from the field. However, a couple slipups could mean another team or two comes into contention. Saturday morning will be filled with fireworks that will give us a great indication of who will come out on top of the team race. 3. Will the class of 2021 get a title? As of this writing the current junior class has yet to win an individual state title. This can and possibly will change on Saturday night. Top contenders for a title include Alex Cottey(113), Blake Boarmann(138), Evan Bates(220), and Brock Ellis(145). Cottey has one loss on the year, but his opponent did not qualify for state. Boarman has a wide open weight class where the top guys have all beaten each other. Bates and Ellis both have yet to be defeated by an Indiana opponent this year. 4. Famous firsts Indianapolis Lutheran's Hayden Flipiovich is the school's first state qualfiier. Will he be able to crack the code and be their first placer as well? Attica, Monroe Central, and River Forest have never had a state placer in their history. Will Jeffrey Bailey be the first Ingot state placer? Logan Swallow won a semi-state title last week and could be the Golden Bear's first state placer. Jordan Douglass was the first state qualifier in Rambler history two years ago, but has yet to reach the podium. There are 32 schools that have a state qualifier that has yet to have a state champion. The ones that might just break through this year include Garrett's Clayton Fielden, Hamilton Southeastern's Andrew Irick, North Montgomery's Drew Webster, Norwell's Cale Gray, Sullivan's Lane Gilbert, and Wheeler's Giovanni Diaz. 5. Best dressed From shiny pants and shorts to Tonte's custom taylored suits, who will stand out in the fashion department? Will Cathedral be wearing their robes this weekend? Which coach will have the strongest beard game? All of these are valid questions that will get answered this weekend. View full article

**ASSUMING** that they score the tournament the same as last year (no advancement or bonus points for Friday night) the team race should be very close although I have it as a 3-horse race between Mater Dei, Cathedral and Crown Point. I think between those 3 it's anyone's tourney - bonus points, key matchups and some unexpected scorers could tilt the victory one way or another. Here is how the scoring works (again, using last year's formula). Wrestlers score for Advancement points and Placement points. Those are predetermined: Additionally, wrestlers can add team points versus Activity scoring: Obviously it makes a HUGE difference whether the wrestler can make it to the finals versus the 3rd/4th place match, and so on. Here are my predictions: 1. Evansville Mater Dei - 9 wrestlers with several chances to make the finals. Some huge landmines though that could really effect the outcome! 2. Indianapolis Cathedral - Some good early matchups means that they have a good chance to have a large number of wrestlers making it deep 3. Crown Point - With Mendez leading the way, the Bulldogs have some hammers that could make a deep run. They have some huge matchups with Mater Dei Evansville Mater Dei Nine wrestlers starting out Friday night for EMD. Close matchups for Egli, Baumann, Sollars and Parkinson - if they get all 9 through, look out! 113 Cole Ross likely to face Logan Frazier in his 2nd match. If we wins that, a tough one against the Schoeff/Anthony winner. I have Ross making the finals 120 Alec Freeman has a brutal route - Head to Head with Crown Point's Riley Bettich in the 2nd round, then has to beat Cathedral's Seltzer if he wants to reach the finals 126 Ashton Hayhurst - Has undefeated Dylan Stroud in the opening round. Can he get by him? If so, then battle-tested David Pierson in the 2nd round and Rioux in the 3rd. That's a lot to ask of a sophomore 132 Kane Egli - He's got a tough road, but guys like this senior can decide the team title. He faces Slivka from Roncalli in the 1st match. If he gets to Saturday he will likely have Ian Heath before hitting Mendez. Making the final 4 would be big 138 Blake Boarman is the big dog in a difficult half-bracket. For his 3rd match will probably face either Logan Wagner or Floyd Central's Conway 145 Brody Baumann has winnable first 2 matches but they won't be easy. Jajuan Anderson from Warren Central will push the pace - and then AJ Poindexter will stand in the way of a top 4 finish 160 Eli Dickens - Based on this year's results he is the favorite - but the final 4 at 160 will be extremely entertaining and could go any combination. He would have a match versus Cathedral's Eliot Rodgers in his 3rd match to reach the finals. That's a HUGE swing match for team points 170 Gabe Sollars - Someone like Sollars could make a huge difference. His first match is against Chesterton junior Gavin Layman. Then he would face a likely head-to-head matchup against Cathedral's Tyler Wagner 182 Macartney Parkinson - has the toughest quarter bracket in the tournament. Opens up against #1 Joseph Walker then has Mason Winner in the 2nd round. It's feast or famine for Mater Dei here Indianapolis Cathedral Cathedral enters 8 wrestlers to the field Friday night. All of them have a shot to make it to Saturday, with some high scoring potential 106 Evan Dickey comes in as a 4th place finisher, but he does avoid the loaded other half-bracket. His Friday night match is against Isaac Ruble - if he can get by that, then his points will really be a help 120 Zeke Seltzer is the prohibitive favorite but it isn't a cake walk. He may see Bettich or Freeman in the 3rd round. Still, it's likely big points here 138 Logan Bailey is a big swing in points, I think. He has potential to reach the finals, but he has a match against Drake Campbell in the 2nd round that could be a scare 160 Elliot Rodgers has a good path until that final 4 where he faces Dickens who has beat him this season. Will experience win over latest results? 170 Tyler Wagner may face EMD's Gabe Sollars in his 2nd match - that's a big showdown. Wagner could make a run to the finals 182 Johnny Parker - Unfortunately for Parker, he drew in to the death quarter bracket of Mason Winner then Parkinson/Walker. Tough to see him winning the first round, let alone getting to the final 4 195 Jacob Huffman - he is an interesting one. His first match is against Friedt, who is ranked higher but also lost to his Cathedral teammate Parker this season. I don't have Huffman making it to Saturday, but he could surprise and get into that 5th-8th range. In that case, bonus points would be key 285 Holden Parsons - the senior Yorktown transfer has wrestled well this season and the 285 weight class is always unpredictable. I have him winning 2 matches before facing Dancy from Portage. Parsons is very experienced and opposite the Key/Irick combo. If he can slow down the match and wrestle strategically against Dancy, he could be under the lights with some HUGE points Crown Point Crown Point brings 8 wrestlers to the first round. I think their first round looks great, which means they will get 6 or possibly 7 into the scoring rounds. They are very young, but still could surprise some of the older wrestlers and make deep runs to make this a close race 106 Sammy Goin has only lost once all season. I would love his chances - but he got a tough, tough draw. He has Chundi in the 2nd round. That match may be a tossup. Can Goin get past Chundi and make it into the final 4 and possibly win it all? Since there are so many young wrestlers here and the action is lightning-quick, 106 can be very unpredictable and the matches can turn quickly 113 Logan Frazier is another freshman. He has a stiff task, facing the experienced Cole Ross from EMD in the 2nd round. I would give the edge to Ross, but I am not counting out these young bulldogs either 120 Riley Bettich has a ton of talent and the chance to take out a couple of head to head competitors. He should have Alec Freeman in the 2nd round, then Zeke Seltzer in the 3rd 126 Stephen Roberson - we all know the 126 weight class is bonkers this year. There are no easy paths to the finals and Roberson will have to face Kysen Montgomery in the 2nd round, then the winner of Dalton/Lowery showdown in the 3rd round if he wants to see the finals. Possiblity of huge points, or very few points here. 132 Jesse Mendez - He'll have the target on his back this year. Hard to see anyone stopping him from winning it all and getting the 20 team points. So the question may be how many bonus points can he rack up to help out the team? 138 Nick Tattini - Don't have Tattini getting to Saturday. If he can manage to get there, that's a huge boost for CP 145 Orlando Cruz - he also faces a murderer's row of wrestlers but he is capable of getting some points. He has Feichter in the 1st round, then likely Avon's Jaden Reynolds in the 2nd round before seeing undefeated Alec Viduya in the semis. Any points here would be a big win 160 Noah Hollendonner is the #1 seed. He should win his first, but then will have to try to break up the favored final 4 at this weight. He will see the winner of Noehre/Asbury. Look for Noah to be shooting for 5th-8th range and getting bonus points where he can Honorable Mentions Brownsburg - Some great wrestlers with some brutal matchups. Logan Miller at 106 should reach the semis. Kysen Montgomery will have Roberson in 2nd round. DRake Campbell has only lost once this season - can he knock off Logan Bailey in the 2nd round? Peyton Asbury got a Friday night death draw versus Noehre, but he will not make it an easy out. 285 Dorian Keys is the returning champion - can he repeat against Irick in a likely rematch with Irick in the semifinals and bring home another title? Chesterton - Look for Ellis and Bates to score big points here. Torres is great but has Rioux in the 2nd round. Kaiser would have to beat Boarman in the 2nd round. Tough roads to reach those big-point finals Perry Meridian - Only 3 wrestlers, but all of them have a legit shot to get to the finals. Cottey (113), Koontz (132) and Warren (182) can rack up mega points, but they are just hurt by lack of sheer numbers Roncalli - Similar to Perry. The Lowery brothers only have 2 losses between them on the season. Both could make a nice run to the finals. Viduya is on fire and he could be the 3rd Roncalli wrestler to reach the finals. Slivka is talented but has a really tough first round matchup with Kane Egli. If the other 3 can get to the finals and Slivka reaches the final 4 then we may see Roncalli creeping up the board Warren Central - 5 wrestlers here. Brice Coleman is undefeated and favored - he should score lots of points. David Pierson at 126 would be challenged at every step, but he has the potential and experience to make a deep run. Jajuan Anderson, Damon McClain and Dennis Hubbard could score some points, but not enough As always these are only my opinions. Good luck to all teams and wrestlers this weekend - hope that everyone wrestles their best match(es) ever and stays injury-free, in victory or defeat.

@Y2CJ41 with this whole thread:

I would say portage has had a good run recently. I might be missing a couple kasper Macintosh Minnesota John Moran Iu jake moran IU Dj Washington IU collin poynter Air Force kris rumph wartburg brock peele portage Cornejo Marian hegedus Marian gaige Torres indiana tech latrell Lewis calumet college bam Lawrence grand view

He will be ready to compete

Well this escalated quickly! Damn, man. Ironically this petty bs mighta saved you’re freakin’ life! Incredible. Prayer said. IndianaMat...saving lives, helping people. Bizarrest thread ever. #Pray4TheGenereal

Video of @GenHeavyHandz at 4:30am. Obtained by TheCounty TMZ.

All right...I'll do it... I forced the Indianamat.com bot who has been posting all season to read the brackets and message board 1,000 times, and here are the results. An Indiana Wrestling fan laughs at an ankle band. A referee hits him and the ankle band for double stalling. 800 lbs. Gorilla: This guy is tough as nails.His opponent is also a nail. Referee 1: You are stalling with extra passivity. Region Wrestling fan 1: Booooooooo. Angery my fingers extend. Twooooooooooo. Referee 2: Also twoooooooooooo, but also stalling. Indy Wrestling Fan 1: It's not fair that you are calling twoooooooooooo. Booooooooo. 800 lbs. Gorilla: Nails for sale by the dozen. Region Wrestling Fan 2: The region will have 46 state champs this season. Rats wrestle as tough as a rat tooth. Nails are soft like children. Evansville Wrestling Fan 1: I like everyone. All are good who wrestle. All other wrestling fans yell at gentle Evansville grandparents. Referee 1: Continuous stalling on all. I wish I had more fists. Ankle band: I do not like being strapped to the shoulder of large boys. The tournament is over, but the buzzers continue to alarm the spectators who only yell that it isn't fair. Fade to black.

Can we please get a 1 million times simulation of General HeavyHandz vs FCFighter?!? Amiright?

Can we get a spare open mat at "The Chet" to make this happen? Coinciding with the 2020 Olympics, maybe we can turn this into a pentathalon type of event. Wrestling would be one competition. Other possibilities Competitive eating (shaved ice/ tacos) Slamathon - insult battle, performed in an Eminem style rap or perhaps to some smooth jazz Name-dropping battle, each reads off one name at a time until their list runs out or the name is not recognized by anyone present Any other ideas?

Brings up a good point. Let’s make this happen for charity! We start a go fund me or something of that sort. Winner gets to donate the money to club or charity of choice! What say all?

No kids or animals are being harmed in this thread.

Before the college conference and post season begins I just wanted to take a second to thank everyone who has been contributing to this forum. For many years this place had been pretty sparsely used, with many results threads being hijack. I’m glad to see the consistent traffic this forum has received this season. I’m amazed at the effort by several posters to highlight wrestlers from multiple programs and in all division. And I’m pleads this forum is finally being used by most posters as a place to highlight the achievements of these hard working young men rather than as a avenue to spawn negativity. Keep it going Indiana. There is life beyond HS wrestling and I’m glad more quality posters are interested in talking about it.

Y2 I would like to be the first to say that this media guide is really cool! I could spend hours looking at it. Well done!

Yorktown Alumni Currently Wrestling in College: Alara Boyd - McKendree University - IL - DII Alex Barr - Wabash College - IN - DIII Josh Stephenson - Manchester University- IN - DIII Colt Rutter - Minot State University- ND - DII Brad Laughlin - Army West Point - NY - DI Christian Hunt - Army West Point - NY - DI Cael McCormick - Army West Point - NY - DI

An expression of how my inner lightweight feels when I hear that name

I’m pretty sure this thread is one “who’s baby is it” away from turning into an As the World Turns, Days of our Lives, Guiding Light level stuff.

Oh my ... GodSpeed on your recovery brother . Chris Garcia & Family

I would suggest the following: 106 - Chundi & Kyler West 113 - Doug Waters & Logan Carrender 120 - Carson Eldred & Jake Simone 126 - Ray Rioux & Brayden Lowery 132 - Andre Beattey & Kane Egli 138 - Logan Bailey & Drake Campbell 145 - Reece Luhmann & Anthony Poindexter 152 - Bryce Coleman & Logan Boe 160 - Elliott Rodgers & Cooper Noehre 170 - Graham Calhoun & Clayton Fielden 182 - Joseph Walker & Mason Winner 195 - Silas Allred & JD Farrell 220 - Evan Bates & Drew Webster 285 - Andrew Irick & Dorian Keys talk about a nasty lineup

DJ Radnovich finished '98 47-0 with 46 pins REDICULOUS!!!!!!!!!

This thread has to be the craziest in history! This why we need to be just watching wrestling and being old and happy..I ain't trippin..ppl health and stuff like this puts into perspective what really matters.. Your ass about died doing road work! Get better and enjoy your sons career!

Are we really to the Wednesday before the state finals and no one has brought up the shaved up topic?!

The one year experiment at changing the light weight to 100. Freshman Schaefer wins over David Combs of Bloomington South for the title.

They still have the Indiana vs Illinois All Star Classic each year for the top two Seniors at each weight class. That’s basically the same but with the entire state not just “The Region” guys.

Congratulations junior wrestlers/students! I believe it would be a great gesture for the IHSAA to provide all-session tickets for the State Finals at the will-call for any of the athletes making the junior or senior list

How about the pre-vent red carpet fashion show. Each wrestler shows up in there avante garde outfit, and gets points from the judges. GenHeavyHandz might gain a few points here.

I have a copy of the 95 finals, on good ole VHS. The sound buffers in & out, but has face-offs, finals matches, & weight class awards. My parents made a copy a few years back to DVD, to hopefully preserve the quality. I found this gem a few weeks back, searching through some old totes. I can name em all & school, have at it!!! Thought I would share.

I have a copy of the 95 finals, on good ole VHS. The sound buffers in & out, but has face-offs, finals matches, & weight class awards. My parents made a copy a few years back to DVD, to hopefully preserve the quality. I found this gem a few weeks back, searching through some old totes. I can name em all & school, have at it (without cheating at bottom)!!! Thought I would share.

Yes, Dickerson really was impressive at State that year. It would have been great to see how he would have done his senior year and maybe beyond.

My cousin HW Bubba Dickerson of New Castle a Jr pinned all 4 guys in a total of 10 minutes iirc to win the 1995 state title.. He tragically passed before his season and might've done it again.. He was a giant at 17 Cutting to make HW... He pinned future Notre Dame Stand out B.J Scott in the finals rather quickly... He moved like a 45 pounder and was a freak athlete at that size.

I'll donate it to getting some less fortunate kid some shoes or wrestling camp.

I have to believe Mason Parris did this his senior year didn't he?

Rumor is @Y2CJ41 teched @HeavyHands and @FCFIGHTER170 at the same time.

Just because you have a marker tattoo

At 145 Poindexter over Currie 4 vs1. But #4 is ranked 3rd and1 is ranked 20.

You must’ve misread my post... I said I was a REGIONAL champion... That’s one level past his sectional title.... Still have the ribbon on my wall to prove it! I also scored an escape on a state champion once... Glad I could clear that up...

Well, I have atleast 1 regional title to my name.... Therefore, I believe we can all agree that if I was not retired I would be betting favorite for Old Mans division at ISWA state..

Just remember the 3 people you had to mention in this thread to even get attention.. You don't know a double leg from a double cheeseburger.

I'll be in @FCFIGHTER170's corner and will surely get a few calls overturned. I get home cookin' even in Indy.

THIS IS THE BEST DAY OF MY LIFE

We need a ring announcer....."Wrestling outta the International Fashion corner...sporting the Stones singlet with the snakeskin "Narf". @TeamGarcia can work this angle Corner men/coaches... @Mattyb seems to be an @FCFIGHTER170 fave..maybe @DrunkJoeNamath for the Genereal since he has secret pics of him? Ref..gotta be RefTroy..need somebody to body hard when one of these dudes goes down and it gets ugly. I am so in for this. Set up donations for charity or something...

They should have to stand inline to weigh in wit the kids..... Sware to God they should...…. Four hours later bFF,s

Congratulations to Brendon Mark from Mishawaka for signing with Indiana Tech. He is projected to wrestle 125, 133. View full signing

This might be more hyped than Red/Lee!!!

You're the only person that "thinks you're winning" Something... You start trash then wanna be the victim.. Get on the mat or shut your flap... I'm more worried about this fly buzzing around my job site than I am Rueben Studdards stunt double..or should I say Quasi-Reuben

@TeamGarcia don't be sad..I'm sure i'll relapse eventually.

My picks 106- ? No Seniors 113- ? No Seniors 120- Giovanni Diaz (Wheeler) 126- Nathan Schammert (Hobart) 132- Adam Ahmad (Highland) 138- Anthony Rivera (Merrillville) 145- Jacob Maldonado (Merrillville) 152- Shawn Hollis (Lowell) 160- Noah Hollendoener (Crown Point) 170- Abel Verbeek (Lowell) 182- Kris Whalton (Merrillville) 195- Jevonte Williams (Merrillville) 220- Ethan Alderson (Lake Station) HWT- Damari Dancy (Portage) This lineup vs a Chicagoland team would kill IMO