Scott Kelly Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 This thread is intended to propose a new format of the IHSAA state wrestling tournament. 1. We ditch folk style wrestling, and we wrestle Greco Roman instead. Why: -Folkstyle has many more ways to stall relative to the other styles -Greco Roman is more entertaining for the kids with the throws etc., & it just forces action better -A college coach could easily teach what isn’t known about folkstyle to a great Indiana wrestler, and it would be a fresh change for the kids when they wrestle in college in a new style that they could use many techniques they already know. -I argue more interest would get generated in Indiana wrestling because multi sport athletes could more quickly pick up Greco Roman and have more fun with it 2. We ditch double elimination bracket style for a single league style with the winner of state having been the wrestler who accumulated the highest “score” similar to a chess latter system. Score would not start at zero at state, starting score should be developed by your wins and losses over ranked opponents in the season and by how great a margin your victory was. This rewards you for competing throughout the year, does not penalize you for switching weight classes-but rewards you for switching weight classes to try to beat higher score opponents near your weight and all the while allowing it possible for you to win at the end of the year even if you did not have a perfect year. A computer program gets built at state to assign matches every round based on score where if you win a round, you wrestle a higher score ranked opponent than before (in general). Why: -This score method helps eliminate biases present in our current system such as school class and location. -I argue This would encourage more risk taking, I’m not a fan of “you lose once you can’t win it all” at state, and not a fan of you lose twice you’re done. I’m not a fan of whatever happened in season stops mattering when we start the state tournament. As we know, so many factors make this unfair in current system (location, class, etc.) Now you could potentially lose, but still win it all by score, because you went potentially 20-4 in season because you moved up a weight to try to take out big names at some duel meets and lost 4 times at state but you took risks and hit a couple of sick lateral drops and won a lot of matches and your score got boosted enough to win it all. 3. The entire state tournament would need ran inside a Friday-Sunday period somewhere. Why: -The current 4 week system feels long -would need everyone together to do proposed method Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanntp01 Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 No. 08grad, Paycheck141, HeadLocksWinChampionships and 1 other 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casualwrestlingfan Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 Pass, but I do think maybe schools should encourage Greco Roman and Freestyle as club type sports for other seasons. Maybe have summer teams that do both as well as Folkstyle. Keeps the kids out of trouble and active. MUSKEEWRESTLER and AdamsCoBuschhh 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crosstownrivals Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 I am sorry but Greco is boring and the rules are confusing. If I would every evaluate anything would for NFHS and the NCAA switch to Freestyle and then allow overtime. As for the ladder system no way. If you want to challenge yourself as an athlete and you want to be the best, go up a weight at a tournament and challenge yourself. I watched a lot of really good wrestlers move up a weight to wrestle the opposing teams best. If you win the the Rankings guy sees it. If you lose it hasn't hurt you in anyway what so ever. You are challenging yourself. The only change to the system with State Series is wrestle backs at all levels and seeding at Semi-State and state levels. "Just my two cents." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manchwrestlingdad Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 No !!! USA is the only or one of few countries that still have folk style. I don’t want it to die here as well. HeadLocksWinChampionships 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrodyHardcastle Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 lol what HeadLocksWinChampionships 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenser310 Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 Not on this wagon at all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrecoCoach Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 Yes!!! All Greco All The Time!!! Greco Roman is the sport of kings - who never kneel before anyone. Let's be like the scandanavian countries that only do Greco. For those that don't get it... Gasman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aoberlin Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 Thinking about just deleting this post. But the forum has been pretty boring lately. Jstephenson1356, No One Famous, HeadLocksWinChampionships and 2 others 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeamGarcia Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 (edited) I don’t even know what to say Edit All I read was 1. smh, I probably edit this again in a few mins . Then again after I get to 2. Then again after 3. telling us why . Edited March 2, 2021 by TeamGarcia I don’t even know ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Nieman Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 This calls to mind the scene in Office Space when the guy proposes a "Jump to Conclusions Mat." "That is the worst idea I've heard in my life." "Yes it is horrible, this idea." LionsFan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUSKEEWRESTLER Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 NO......NO..... & NO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silence Dogood Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 46 minutes ago, Coach Nieman said: This calls to mind the scene in Office Space when the guy proposes a "Jump to Conclusions Mat." "That is the worst idea I've heard in my life." "Yes it is horrible, this idea." LionsFan and No One Famous 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleJimmy Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 (edited) I feel like this is a @ClownBabyburner account for some reason. Sounds like him. Where is that dude? Where's a lot of dudes, come to think of it? Maybe an offseason thread.."Where have they gone.." Edited March 2, 2021 by UncleJimmy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestling Scholar Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 (edited) 35 minutes ago, UncleJimmy said: I feel like this is a @ClownBabyburner account for some reason. Sounds like him. Where is that dude? Where's a lot of dudes, come to think of it? Maybe an offseason thread.."Where have they gone.." Good point Uncle Jimmy, He is from Carmel. Lets give him a test to see what type of Car he drives and how much his average mixed drink cocktail costs? Then we'll know? Edited March 2, 2021 by Wrestling Scholar UncleJimmy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goalittlegreco Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 1 hour ago, GrecoCoach said: Yes!!! All Greco All The Time!!! Greco Roman is the sport of kings - who never kneel before anyone. Let's be like the scandanavian countries that only do Greco. For those that don't get it... Hear hear! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FCFIGHTER170 Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 Might be the most in depth troll job I've ever seen.. You lost me at Greco. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jcjcjc Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 3 hours ago, Scott Kelly said: This thread is intended to propose a new format of the IHSAA state wrestling tournament. 1. We ditch folk style wrestling, and we wrestle Greco Roman instead. Why: -Folkstyle has many more ways to stall relative to the other styles -Greco Roman is more entertaining for the kids with the throws etc., & it just forces action better -A college coach could easily teach what isn’t known about folkstyle to a great Indiana wrestler, and it would be a fresh change for the kids when they wrestle in college in a new style that they could use many techniques they already know. -I argue more interest would get generated in Indiana wrestling because multi sport athletes could more quickly pick up Greco Roman and have more fun with it 2. We ditch double elimination bracket style for a single league style with the winner of state having been the wrestler who accumulated the highest “score” similar to a chess latter system. Score would not start at zero at state, starting score should be developed by your wins and losses over ranked opponents in the season and by how great a margin your victory was. This rewards you for competing throughout the year, does not penalize you for switching weight classes-but rewards you for switching weight classes to try to beat higher score opponents near your weight and all the while allowing it possible for you to win at the end of the year even if you did not have a perfect year. A computer program gets built at state to assign matches every round based on score where if you win a round, you wrestle a higher score ranked opponent than before (in general). Why: -This score method helps eliminate biases present in our current system such as school class and location. -I argue This would encourage more risk taking, I’m not a fan of “you lose once you can’t win it all” at state, and not a fan of you lose twice you’re done. I’m not a fan of whatever happened in season stops mattering when we start the state tournament. As we know, so many factors make this unfair in current system (location, class, etc.) Now you could potentially lose, but still win it all by score, because you went potentially 20-4 in season because you moved up a weight to try to take out big names at some duel meets and lost 4 times at state but you took risks and hit a couple of sick lateral drops and won a lot of matches and your score got boosted enough to win it all. 3. The entire state tournament would need ran inside a Friday-Sunday period somewhere. Why: -The current 4 week system feels long -would need everyone together to do proposed method Too drastic to get people motivated to change HS wrestling to this, but it would be a fun thing to try for a Greco off season league. goalittlegreco 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gogoplata89 Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 You tried too hard on this troll bubba. (But you should absolutely have your athletes wrestle greco in the spring and at Fargo.) goalittlegreco 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleJimmy Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 If he would have had a 4th bullet point ..Class it...half y’all woulda bought right in! #amirite. FCFIGHTER170 and HeadLocksWinChampionships 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TysonNisley Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 College coaches definitely cannot just teach a good freestyle athlete to wrestle folkstyle well in a short amount of time, look at some of the college athletes this years that transferred from other countries. Two that I can think of are Ohio State's Anthony Echemendia and Iowa State's Yonger Bastida. Echemendia is a 5-time age group national champion from Cuba, and isn't even the starting guy in the line-up, and Bastida is a junior world bronze medalist and owns a freestyle win over former NCAA Kyven Gadson, yet he isn't even in FloWrestling's most recent national rankings. Paycheck141 and FCFIGHTER170 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Professor Morgan Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 Kudos, well played Mr Kelly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattyb Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 Silence Dogood 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooper160 Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 The best kid in the state at gut wrenches reigns king . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Peck Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 I feel like Sumo is the best option. The matches are short and therefore we can get the Tournament down quickly which is what the IHSAA will like. Mattyb, formercollegekid and Coach Masters 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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