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    IHSAA Announces State Tournament Realignment

    Changes:
    Semi-State
    From Fort Wayne to East Chicago: Caston and Rochester
    From East Chicago to Fort Wayne: Wawasee and Tippecanoe Valley

     

    Sectional and Regional Changes

    New Castle Semi-State

    From Arsenal Tech/Pendleton Heights to Southport/Perry Meridian

    Lawrence Central, Lawrence North, North Central, and Mount Vernon(Fortville)

     

    From Southport/Perry Meridian to Arsenal Tech/Pendleton Heights
    Cardinal Ritter, Crispus Attucks, Providence Cristo Rey, and George Washington

     

    East Chicago Semi-State

    From Laporte/Crown Point to Plymouth/Penn
    North Judson

     

    From Winamac(Twin Lakes now)/Logansport to Plymouth/Penn
    Winamac

     

    From Crown Point/Crown Point to East Chicago Central/Hobart

    Lake Central

     

    From Winamac/Logansport to Crown Point/Crown Point

    North Newton and South Newton

     

    Evansville Semi-State

    From Mooresville/Mooresville to Jennings County/Jeffersonville

    Franklin Community

     

    From Bloomington North/Bloomington South to Jennings County/Jeffersonville

    Indian Creek

     

    From Jennings County/Jeffersonville to Bloomington North/Bloomington South

    Brown County

     

    Fort Wayne Semi-State

    From Carroll/Carroll to Peru/Peru
    Huntington North

     

    Sectional Changes

    From Southridge to Bloomington North
    Bedford North Lawrence

     

    From Jeffersonville to Jennings County

    Eastern (Pekin) and Salem

     

    From Plymouth to Mishawaka

    LaVille

     

    From Bloomington North to Southridge
    Paoli

     

    Sectionals

    1. East Chicago Central (9):  East Chicago Central, Gary West Side, Hammond Bishop Noll, Hammond Central, Hammond Morton, Lake Central, Merrillville, Munster, Whiting

    2. Portage (8): Andrean, Calumet, Griffith, Highland, Hobart, Lake Station Edison, Portage, River Forest

    3. Crown Point (10): Boone Grove, Crown Point, Hanover Central, Hebron, Illiana Christian, Kankakee Valley, Lowell, North Newton, South Newton, Wheeler

    4. LaPorte (7): Chesterton, Glenn, Knox, LaPorte, Marquette Catholic, Michigan City, New Prairie, Valparaiso

    5. Mishawaka (9): LaVille, Mishawaka, Mishawaka Marian, Penn, South Bend Adams, South Bend Clay, South Bend Riley, South Bend Saint Joseph, South Bend Washington

    6. Plymouth (10): Bremen, Caston, Culver Academies, Culver Community, North Judson-San Pierre, Plymouth, Rochester Community, Triton, Warsaw Community, Winamac Community

    7. Twin Lakes (12): Benton Central, Frontier, Logansport,  North White, Pioneer, Rensselaer Central, Tri-County, Twin Lakes, West Central

    8. Lafayette Jefferson (10): Attica, Carroll (Flora), Delphi Community, Faith Christian, Harrison (West Lafayette), Lafayette Central Catholic, Lafayette Jefferson, McCutcheon, Seeger, West Lafayette

    9. Elkhart (8): Concord, Elkhart, Fairfield, Goshen, Jimtown, Northridge, NorthWood, Wawasee

    10. West Noble (9): Angola, Central Noble, DeKalb, East Noble, Fremont, Lakeland, Prairie Heights, West Noble, Westview

    11. Carroll (Fort Wayne) (9): Carroll (Fort Wayne), Churubusco, Columbia City, Eastside, Fort Wayne Bishop Dwenger, Fort Wayne Concordia Lutheran, Fort Wayne Northrop, Garrett, Whitko

    12. TBD (10): Fort Wayne Bishop Luers, Fort Wayne North Side, Fort Wayne Snider, Fort Wayne South Side, Fort Wayne Wayne, Heritage, Homestead, New Haven, Leo, Woodlan

    13. Peru (10): Lewis Cass, Huntington North, Maconaquah, Manchester, North Miami, Northfield, Peru, Southwood, Tippecanoe Valley, Wabash

    14. Oak Hill (11): Eastbrook, Eastern (Greentown), Kokomo, Madison-Grant, Marion, Mississinewa, Northwestern, Oak Hill, Taylor, Tri-Central, Western

    15. Jay County (9): Adams Central, Bellmont, Blackford, Bluffton, Jay County, Norwell, South Adams, Southern Wells, Union City

    16. Delta (10): Cowan, Daleville, Delta, Monroe Central, Muncie Central, Randolph Southern, Wapahani, Wes-Del, Winchester Community, Yorktown

    17. Crawfordsville (10): Covington, Crawfordsville, Fountain Central, North Montgomery, North Vermillion, Parke Heritage, South Vermillion, Southmont, Western Boone, Zionsville

    18. Frankfort (10): Carmel, Clinton Central, Clinton Prairie, Fishers, Frankfort, Hamilton Southeastern, Lebanon, Rossville, Sheridan, Westfield

    19. Elwood (10): Alexandria Monroe, Anderson, Elwood Community, Frankton, Guerin Catholic, Hamilton Heights, Lapel, Noblesville, Pendleton Heights, Tipton

    20. Indianapolis Arsenal Technical (10): Brebeuf Jesuit Preparatory, Indianapolis Arsenal Technical, Indiana School for the Deaf, Indiana School for the Blind, Indianapolis Bishop Chatard, Indianapolis Cardinal Ritter, Indianapolis Cathedral, Indianapolis Crispus Attucks, Indianapolis George Washington Community, Providence Cristo Rey,

    21. Southport (10): Beech Grove,  Christel House, Lawrence Central, Lawrence North, Mt Vernon (Fortville), North Central(Indianapolis), Perry Meridian, Roncalli, Southport, Victory College Prep

    22. Shelbyville (9): Franklin Central, Greenfield-Central, Indianapolis Lutheran, Indianapolis Scecina Memorial, New Palestine, Purdue Polytechnic, Shelbyville, Triton Central, Warren Central

    23. Centerville(11): Blue River Valley, Cambridge City Lincoln, Centerville, Eastern Hancock,  Hagerstown, Knightstown, New Castle, Northeastern, Richmond, Shenandoah, Tri

    24. South Dearborn (11): Batesville, Connersville, East Central, Franklin County, Greensburg, Lawrenceburg, Milan, Oldenburg Academy, Rushville Consolidated, South Dearborn, Union County

    25. Avon (12): Avon, Ben Davis, Brownsburg, Covenant Christian (Indianapolis), Danville Community, Greencastle, North Putnam, Pike, Plainfield, South Putnam, Speedway, Tri-West Hendricks

    26. Mooresville (11): Cascade, Center Grove, Cloverdale, Decatur Central, Eminence, Greenwood Community, Martinsville, Monrovia, Mooresville, Whiteland Community

    27. Bloomington North (12): Bedford North Lawrence, Bloomington North, Bloomington South, Brown County, Edgewood, Northview, Owen Valley, Sullivan, Terre Haute North Vigo, Terre Haute South Vigo, West Vigo

    28. Southridge (10): Floyd Central, Forest Park, Jasper, Mitchell, New Albany, North Knox, Paoli, Pike Central, Southridge, Tell City

    29. Jennings County (13): Columbus East, Columbus North, Eastern (Pekin), Franklin Community, Indian Creek, Jennings County, Madison Consolidated, Salem, Scottsburg, Seymour, Southwestern (Hanover), Switzerland County, West Washington

    30. Jeffersonville (13): Borden, Charlestown, Clarksville, Corydon Central, Crawford County, Henryville, Jeffersonville, New Washington, North Harrison, Providence, Rock Creek Academy, Silver Creek

    31. Castle (10): Boonville, Castle, Evansville Bosse, Evansville Harrison, Evansville Reitz Memorial, Heritage Hills, South Spencer, Tecumseh, Washington, Wood Memorial

    32. Evansville Central (9): Evansville Central, Evansville F.J Reitz, Evansville Mater Dei, Evansville North, Gibson Southern, Mt Vernon, North Posey, Princeton Community, Vincennes Lincoln

     

    Regionals

    1. Hobart: Feeder Sectionals: East Chicago Central, Portage.

    2. Crown Point: Feeder Sectionals: Crown Point, LaPorte.

    3. Penn: Feeder Sectionals: Mishawaka, Plymouth.

    4. Logansport: Feeder Sectionals: Lafayette Jefferson, Twin Lakes.

    5. Goshen: Feeder Sectionals: Elkhart, West Noble.

    6. Carroll (Fort Wayne): Feeder Sectionals: Carroll (Fort Wayne), TBD(Former New Haven).

    7. Peru: Feeder Sectionals: Peru, Oak Hill.

    8. Jay County: Feeder Sectionals: Delta, Jay County.

    9. North Montgomery: Feeder Sectionals: Crawfordsville, Frankfort.

    10. Pendleton Heights: Feeder Sectionals: Elwood, Indianapolis Arsenal Technical.

    11. Perry Meridian: Feeder Sectionals: Shelbyville, Southport.

    12. Richmond: Feeder Sectionals: South Dearborn, Shenandoah.

    13. Mooresville: Feeder Sectionals: Avon, Mooresville.

    14. Bloomington South: Feeder Sectionals: Bloomington North, Southridge.

    15. Jeffersonville: Feeder Sectionals: Jeffersonville, Jennings County.

    16. Castle: Feeder Sectionals: Castle, Evansville Central

     

    Semi-States

    1. East Chicago Central: Feeder Regionals: Crown Point, Hobart, Logansport, Penn.

    2. New Haven (Allen County War Memorial Coliseum): Feeder Regionals: Carroll (Fort Wayne), Goshen, Jay County, Peru.

    3. New Castle: Feeder Regionals: Frankfort, Pendleton Heights, Perry Meridian, Richmond.

    4. Evansville F. J. Reitz (Ford Center): Feeder Regionals: Bloomington South, Castle, Jeffersonville, Mooresville.

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    formercollegekid

    Some quick thoughts/questions that come to mind right after reading this news.....

     

     

     

    Soooo just not gonna fix the Mooresville (semistate) problem? 

     

    Just gonna keep two of the nation's best teams in the same regional. 

     

    How does franklin community get to move clear down to Jeffersonville.  Indian Creek goes to Bloomington. Center Grove, Greenwood, and Whiteland go to Mooresville. All from the same county.

     

    Some sectionals still have 8 or 9 teams in it while others have 12/13. 

     

    13+13= 26 (Jennings county/ Jeffersonville)

     

    8+9= 17 ... that's a whole sectional worth of teams difference.

     

    Honestly I know it'll never be "perfect" just seems like a missed opportunity.

     

    The indy school shake-up is also interesting with Cathedral and Perry/Southport.

     

    Makes the "city tournament"  matches a little more relevant. 

     

    Poor Rochester I feel like they have moved back and forth several times. I know they are right on the border... but still.

     

    Ft Wayne Snyder lost some hammers, Rochester leaving as a team... we will get a new semistate team champ. Jimtown?

     

    Tippe valley and Rochester are really close.

     

    Speaking of small team HAMMER'S  tell city goes clear up to Bloomington.... but franklin goes to Jeffersonville.

     

    Do high-school coaches sit on this board? 

     

    Lawrenceburg should go to Evansville (maybe not)

     

    Brownsburg should be in Ft. Wayne semistate. (Maybe not)

     

    Gonna be fun year..... wonder how this changes the coaches association team state race.

     

     

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    Coach Brobst

    The Indy school shake up will create a very deep regional at Perry

    Perry

    Warren

    Greenfield Central

    New Pal (gonna be really good really soon)

    Mount Vernon

    Lawrence North

    North Central

    Roncalli

    Beech Grove

    LC

    Franklin Central plus other schools that have decent size too

     

    How would you like to be tiny Lutheran or Triton Central, or Purdue Polytechnic? 
     

    even if Perry and Warren never return to the programs they were in 2003-2019, the sheer depth is going to make that a tough road for those teams just to make Semi-state 

     

    Maybe (emphasis on the maybe) even deeper than Mooresville overall who has

     

    Brownsburg

    Center Grove

    Avon

    Ben Davis

    Plainfield

    Decatur Central

    Pike

    Mooresville

    Martinsville

    Greenwood

    Whiteland

     

    The edge at the top would certainly go to Mooresville but I’d put the 2nd-5th placers at this regional up against any in the state.

     

     

     

     

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    Coach Brobst
    Just now, matts said:

    This is brilliant. 

     

    The Tech Sectional has Cathedral and...

     

    Southport Sectional has Beech Grove, Lawrence Central, Lawrence North, Mt. Vernon (Fortville), North Central(Indianapolis), Perry Meridian, Roncalli, and Southport.

     

    Cathedral will pretty much always have 14 sectional champs.

    Chatard is gonna benefit from this as well

    a lot more kids to Semi -State for the Trojans who were already building

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    Nate Spangle
    59 minutes ago, matts said:

    This is brilliant. 

     

    The Tech Sectional has Cathedral and...

     

    Southport Sectional has Beech Grove, Lawrence Central, Lawrence North, Mt. Vernon (Fortville), North Central(Indianapolis), Perry Meridian, Roncalli, and Southport.

     

    Cathedral will pretty much always have 14 sectional champs.


    Cathedral and… 😏 throw a little respect on our guys come on. 

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    Y2CJ41
    11 hours ago, Clint Gard said:

    Anyone want to swap schedules that was going to EC?  LOL...we have no one on our schedule that wrestles in the Plymouth Sectional.  

    The Al Smith would be a great event for your guys to get tested against the best in the state.

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    Clint Gard
    31 minutes ago, Y2CJ41 said:

    The Al Smith would be a great event for your guys to get tested against the best in the state.

    I contacted Coach Sandefer about 11 days ago when I started hearing rumors.  We are on the wait list and we'd have to get out of a contract we are locked in to...not as easy as people think it is.  But yes, that is on our list.  We still need to change many dates in our schedule to see sectional opponents.

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    Y2CJ41
    22 minutes ago, Clint Gard said:

    I contacted Coach Sandefer about 11 days ago when I started hearing rumors.  We are on the wait list and we'd have to get out of a contract we are locked in to...not as easy as people think it.  But yes, that is on our list.  We still need to change many dates in our schedule to see sectional opponents.

    Most AD's are very lenient with contracts especially when it comes to changes like this that are late. With the team you have had recently, I personally have been eager to see them at an event like the Al Smith.

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    BrodyHardcastle
    1 hour ago, Clint Gard said:

    I contacted Coach Sandefer about 11 days ago when I started hearing rumors.  We are on the wait list and we'd have to get out of a contract we are locked in to...not as easy as people think it is.  But yes, that is on our list.  We still need to change many dates in our schedule to see sectional opponents.

    Would love to see the Zebras back at the Al Smith! You have some absolute hammers and all of them  have motors on them!

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    JORVILLE
    3 hours ago, Clint Gard said:

    I contacted Coach Sandefer about 11 days ago when I started hearing rumors.  We are on the wait list and we'd have to get out of a contract we are locked in to...not as easy as people think it is.  But yes, that is on our list.  We still need to change many dates in our schedule to see sectional opponents.

    Just curious why you want to see Sectional opponents during the season? I believe we only had two in ours and that was because both in our conference 

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    maligned
    37 minutes ago, JORVILLE said:

    Just curious why you want to see Sectional opponents during the season? I believe we only had two in ours and that was because both in our conference 

    One reason for a team like Rochester that's wrestling a tough schedule now compared to that sectional is that they get unfairly underseeded when there are no head-to-heads. Then they have unnecessarily higher risks for kids getting upset at sectional or for placing lower and getting bad bracket slotting for regional.

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    Clint Gard
    1 hour ago, JORVILLE said:

    Just curious why you want to see Sectional opponents during the season? I believe we only had two in ours and that was because both in our conference 

    #1 Criteria per Robert Faulkens - Seeds are based on how many wins you have against the kids in your bracket, if you don't wrestle any of them then your chances of getting a good seed are pretty low.  Why would I not want to put my kids in the best position I can to move on in the state series?  

     

    Now, I also understand we can't see everyone in our sectional and that's ok, but we need to see some of them.  Some coaches don't do it that way and that's ok.  Just not the way I think.  

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    JORVILLE
    8 minutes ago, Clint Gard said:

    #1 Criteria per Robert Faulkens - Seeds are based on how many wins you have against the kids in your bracket, if you don't wrestle any of them then your chances of getting a good seed are pretty low.  Why would I not want to put my kids in the best position I can to move on in the state series?  

     

    Now, I also understand we can't see everyone in our sectional and that's ok, but we need to see some of them.  Some coaches don't do it that way and that's ok.  Just not the way I think.  

    Ya I agree with that some as last year year it really mattered to one of our kids from Sectional on but I’m not sure if mattered much to most the other kids. In my opinion with a strong team like yours don’t think I would want to wrestle the smaller programs and just take our chances. But ultimately you have to do what you feel sets them up the best .

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    Clint Gard
    28 minutes ago, JORVILLE said:

    Ya I agree with that some as last year year it really mattered to one of our kids from Sectional on but I’m not sure if mattered much to most the other kids. In my opinion with a strong team like yours don’t think I would want to wrestle the smaller programs and just take our chances. But ultimately you have to do what you feel sets them up the best .

    I don't disagree and if this would have been last year, I would not have made any changes to the schedule or very minor ones.  This year we have some young kids and it could matter for them.  We've got some studs but at the end of the day my job is to help kids win, get our team qualified for team state, get as many kids as possible as far as I can in the state series, and help our studs hit some big goals at the state tourney.  And yes, I know my job is much more than that...those are just outcomes we set our sights on.

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    GenHeavyHandz
    On 8/24/2023 at 5:18 PM, BrodyHardcastle said:

    I feel bad for the new teams that are joining the Ft. Wayne SS.

    I’m excited about the changes.  What can I say I love green and gold or yellow. I get both.  My former Capo and his Zebra’s will not be missed: no offense.  Get them up outta here.  Now all I have to contend with is Jay County and Delta.  We lost some guys so I wasn’t very optimistic until this was announced.  I’m not saying we are winning Semi-State: but with Rochester gone we should be a wrung higher on the ladder. 

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    BrodyHardcastle
    6 hours ago, GenHeavyHandz said:

    I’m excited about the changes.  What can I say I love green and gold or yellow. I get both.  My former Capo and his Zebra’s will not be missed: no offense.  Get them up outta here.  Now all I have to contend with is Jay County and Delta.  We lost some guys so I wasn’t very optimistic until this was announced.  I’m not saying we are winning Semi-State: but with Rochester gone we should be a wrung higher on the ladder. 

    Took a hit with Veazy and O’ campo gone. Still got Tun, Lapsley (grad?), Smith, and Russel right? Anyone else you think will make some gains this year? 

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