Zach Richards Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 With the 1A/2A State Championship this weekend, it got me thinking … Is it time for Indiana to have different divisions for wrestling, similar to football or basketball? I’ll save my opinion for later, but I’m curious as to what others think. Paycheck141 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Summar Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 No Ahap88, tangarrray, McWrastlePants and 3 others 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrestleman101 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 Yes ghughes1974 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkinIndy Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 2 hours ago, Zach Richards said: With the 1A/2A State Championship this weekend, it got me thinking … Is it time for Indiana to have different divisions for wrestling, similar to football or basketball? I’ll save my opinion for later, but I’m curious as to what others think. While it isn’t a representation of all 1A/2A teams across the state, some of the best in those lower classes were there today. That said, no. Most if not all of the champions today were Friday nighters or SS qualifiers/ticket rounders. MUSKEEWRESTLER and Observing 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silence Dogood Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 MUSKEEWRESTLER, base, piscis1956 and 2 others 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ahawkeye Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 Somebody needs to find a dead horse, we're gonna need it. piscis1956, McWrastlePants, Tcarter and 2 others 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rookie78 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 My answer is no MUSKEEWRESTLER 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeamGarcia Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 1 hour ago, Ahawkeye said: Somebody needs to find a dead horse, we're gonna need it. @Ahawkeye & I giving the Peoples Elbows to this dead horse . Take that dead horse and its posts . Ahawkeye and MUSKEEWRESTLER 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zach Richards Posted March 3 Author Share Posted March 3 I’m new to this website, so sorry for jumping on your dead horse But just hear me out for a minute. If you look at Indianamat’s Pound For Pound Rankings, the top 15 wrestlers in the state attend schools that are 4A or higher in football. I believe there are 4 main factors to consider: Coaching staff - A larger school is going to have more coaches. It will most likely have higher quality coaches. There’s a reason why the best football coaches are in the SEC and not coaching at Indiana State (no offense). Enrollment - It’s simply a numbers game. A larger school is going to have more student athletes. And that leads to a more competitive wrestling room. A 1A or 2A school might struggle just to fill its lineup while a 5A or 6A school has a wrestling room full of accomplished wrestlers. Location - Let’s face it. Smaller schools tend to be in more rural areas. Take a look at a large school in the Indianapolis area. How many highly competitive tournaments can a wrestler go to during the offseason within a 50 mile radius? And then compare that to a small school in the middle of nowhere? It’s just harder to get to the better tournaments, which make you a better wrestler. Offseason Resources - Wrestling (much like many other sports today) has become a year-round commitment. Larger schools have the resources to have a robust offseason program. Wrestling club. Youth program. Tournament. Etc. But all of those things require volunteers. The smaller schools struggle to be able to achieve these same results. While I like the idea of wrestling being a sport where it’s just you against your opponent, then the size of your school doesn’t matter. But at the end of the day, it really does matter. A 1A school will never be able to compete against a 6A school. And just as a hypothetical, what is the worst that would happen if Indiana created 3 divisions? There would be more state champs? Smaller schools would have more to get excited about wrestling? And what would be the downside? That it would make a state championship less meaningful? I don’t really think that is the case, because the most competitive programs and wrestlers are going to come from the biggest schools anyways. I think it would make the sport more relevant throughout the state. Ok, I’m done now. Where do you guys want me to put this dead horse? Warrior94 and KLH 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeamGarcia Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 (edited) 1 hour ago, Ahawkeye said: Somebody needs to find a dead horse, we're gonna need it. 20 minutes ago, TeamGarcia said: @Ahawkeye & I giving the Peoples Elbows to this dead horse . Take that dead horse and its posts . Here is TeamGarcia pouring one out for the dead horse he just laid The Peoples Elbow on . Memorial obituary for that dead horse that died from The People’s Elbow being dropped on it ! Dead Horse Post March 2024-March 2024 Edited March 3 by TeamGarcia Unknown Caller 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeamGarcia Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 TeamGarcia don’t always have a dead horses posts but when TeamGarcia does post about them dead horses it’s usually SPECTACULAR CLASSICS Post . Carry on Indianamat …. It’s a From this guy and @Ahawkeye . Ahawkeye 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIACfan Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 For the Individual Tournament? But they do need to bring back the Team Tournament Series, then... MUSKEEWRESTLER, KLH and TeamGarcia 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown Caller Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 Full wrestle backs for individual tournament no classes. class team state series. Bam done. Put a bow on it. Time to move on. Next topic. Ghengis86, Observing and KLH 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ahap88 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 MUSKEEWRESTLER, KLH, TeamGarcia and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattyb Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 @Zach Richards said….. hear me out…. like we haven’t done this 1,000 times!!! Ahawkeye 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silence Dogood Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 13 minutes ago, Mattyb said: @Zach Richards said….. hear me out…. like we haven’t done this 1,000 times!!! It's different this time...this isn't about class wrestling...it's about divisions. MUSKEEWRESTLER, Mattyb, Hillbilly JIM and 7 others 1 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattM Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 26 minutes ago, Silence Dogood said: It's different this time...this isn't about class wrestling...it's about divisions. Mattyb 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zach Richards Posted March 3 Author Share Posted March 3 HornetSloan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestling Scholar Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 1 hour ago, Silence Dogood said: It's different this time...this isn't about class wrestling...it's about divisions. Rebranding!!!!! Briliiiant. Class wrestling sucks. But "Division Wrestling", thats good. KLH, Hillbilly JIM, MUSKEEWRESTLER and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caleb Spires Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 The first two replies being a flat “no” and “yes” is pretty much the epitome of this debate ever since the board has existed. TeamGarcia, Tcarter, gogoplata89 and 2 others 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piscis1956 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 I think you all need to cut Zach Richards some slack. He apparently has never posted in IndianaMat before and probably was not aware of the hornet’s nest he was disturbing. Well, I guess he knows now. Unless of course he is just a troll who took out a new account just to stir the pot. Wrestling Scholar, Ahawkeye, TeamGarcia and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piscis1956 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 8 hours ago, Zach Richards said: I’m new to this website, so sorry for jumping on your dead horse But just hear me out for a minute. If you look at Indianamat’s Pound For Pound Rankings, the top 15 wrestlers in the state attend schools that are 4A or higher in football. I believe there are 4 main factors to consider: Coaching staff - A larger school is going to have more coaches. It will most likely have higher quality coaches. There’s a reason why the best football coaches are in the SEC and not coaching at Indiana State (no offense). Enrollment - It’s simply a numbers game. A larger school is going to have more student athletes. And that leads to a more competitive wrestling room. A 1A or 2A school might struggle just to fill its lineup while a 5A or 6A school has a wrestling room full of accomplished wrestlers. Location - Let’s face it. Smaller schools tend to be in more rural areas. Take a look at a large school in the Indianapolis area. How many highly competitive tournaments can a wrestler go to during the offseason within a 50 mile radius? And then compare that to a small school in the middle of nowhere? It’s just harder to get to the better tournaments, which make you a better wrestler. Offseason Resources - Wrestling (much like many other sports today) has become a year-round commitment. Larger schools have the resources to have a robust offseason program. Wrestling club. Youth program. Tournament. Etc. But all of those things require volunteers. The smaller schools struggle to be able to achieve these same results. While I like the idea of wrestling being a sport where it’s just you against your opponent, then the size of your school doesn’t matter. But at the end of the day, it really does matter. A 1A school will never be able to compete against a 6A school. And just as a hypothetical, what is the worst that would happen if Indiana created 3 divisions? There would be more state champs? Smaller schools would have more to get excited about wrestling? And what would be the downside? That it would make a state championship less meaningful? I don’t really think that is the case, because the most competitive programs and wrestlers are going to come from the biggest schools anyways. I think it would make the sport more relevant throughout the state. Ok, I’m done now. Where do you guys want me to put this dead horse? Zach, you’ve made a lot of good points for which many on this board agrees with you whole heartedly. And then there are others who consider your stated opinions to be heresy. And then there are others whose opinions vary at all levels in between. This topic has been debated on IndianaMat ad nauseum, which is why all the comments about the dead horse. KLH, MUSKEEWRESTLER and Zach Richards 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zach Richards Posted March 3 Author Share Posted March 3 I never realized my first post on Indianamat would cause such a stir! MUSKEEWRESTLER, piscis1956, Tcarter and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyStJ Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 8 hours ago, Unknown Caller said: Full wrestle backs for individual tournament no classes. class team state series. Bam done. Put a bow on it. Time to move on. Next topic. Wrestle backs you say? What an interesting idea. Please tell me, have any other states implemented these "wrestle backs" , or would Indiana be the first? Caleb Spires, Ahawkeye, MUSKEEWRESTLER and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galagore Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 I cannot express how sad I am to be reading this thread so late. Yes, we should absolutely have divisions. Small schools are not playing the same game large schools are and should not be competing against them in the same tournament. We don't make the team sports do that, so making the individual sports do it makes very little sense. You can search galagore for all of my other logic. I am too sad to post it all right now. Zach Richards, TeamGarcia, KLH and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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