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Only in wrestling, do we get to hear about the unfortunate larger schools. Every other sport its the unfortunate little schools that get don't have the numbers, the facilities, or athletes to compete. As the math shows that a higher percentage of the bigger schools get to compete at Team State than the little ones the way it is. So lets kick out 2 smaller schools out to let the bigger ones in. Argument would be "bigger schools get their way in every other sport, why not wrestling?" Let's face it, can't make everyone happy and some teams are going to be allowed in and others unfortunately will be left out. We have already increased the number of teams competing for a state championship x4, which is great for the sport. It's funny some solutions to this particular "who's in, who's out" is to go back to something similar to the old "open" 8-team Team state. Do another tournament, the same weekend for the team's that don't make it to state. It can be "open" or "classed" and more teams can compete that day. Good for the sport? sure. Does it allow every team that wants to compete at state to participate in the team state tourney? no. Again, not everyone will be happy. Allow 12 teams to compete--make the day last forever and water down the competition--and the #13 team in each class will be upset. Let's face it, the way this Team State tourney is done is pretty great the way it is and I believe everyone leaves each class' tourney confident the best team that day won and a team that unfortunately wasn't invited wouldn't have been champ if only they could have attended.

There are ways to word an argument and then there are ways to argue aimlessly so much of this has been beaten to death through so many threads with so many good posts by the involved parties detailing why decisions were made. I do not have the time or energy to explain why we’ve made the changes we’ve made. we used to have 36 teams, then we split 3A into two and now we have 40 teams. And now that’s not enough.

Naw… just weighed in and did kids clinic. He’s good and ready.

Also you have to factor in the size of the players in football. If you put 2A MD up against WC or Penn you would see a VAST size difference among players. Wrestling is a different animal, same size contestants. Also if you put MD where they align in the wrestling team state there will be no contest. I don't make the decisions coach Schaefer would be the one to make the decisions but why would MD spend the time there when they could go find better competition somewhere else? I think a better option would be to have an Open Class. Then have the designated size schools in their classes. That is if MD no longer had the option to move up.

One thing you will discover about the the Hoosier program is that they don’t have a person on the inside offering any information. I would go a long way in getting more people to follow up on the team. Even if it’s this.

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For what it is worth, I agree with your sentiment about wanting to give more teams more opportunities. I believe the addition of this version Team State, run by the IHSWCA, has been an amazing addition and has done just that, to give teams more opportunities. I personally do not mind that it is not IHSAA sponsored and think I think that it is run more effectively with the IHSWCA than it would with the IHSAA anyways. If the venue allows for 12, then I suppose I agree this could be beneficial but just wanted to give you some stats. 4a - 38 total schools (21% of schools qualify for team state) 3a - 56 total schools (14% of schools qualify for team state) 2a - 85 total schools (14% of schools qualify for team state) 1a - 85 total schools (14% of schools qualify for team state) *Numbers may be slightly off as I just counted the qualification sheet on the Team State leaderboard page. EMD and Cathedral are counted in that 4a total above. To your point they "take" 2 spots every year. If you remove them, and only consider that 6 schools make it out of the 36, then that is 17% of schools that qualify for Team state. I agree that if they can do 12 schools, then why not. However, you do have to remember that 3a + 4a is basically just one class split into 2. When you look at it that way, that class gets 16 qualifiers for Team State. It is very unfortunate when you have potentially your best team in school history and you are being bumped to 4a when you could potentially qualify for 3a but they do have to draw the line somewhere. Again, I agree with your sentiment but just wanted to throw some numbers out there. I think this event is great and I am sure the powers that be appreciate any input for this event as well. Each year they seem very open to changes and constructive criticism to make this event even better.

I can think of at least three maybe four schools in our conference right now and possibly even five that would fit in the 4A bracket of the team State wrestling. Castle beat MD 2 years in a row several years ago as did Evansville Reitz again several years ago. But for the most part it's been all MD for the last 40 years in this section of the state. My answer to your dilemma is to create an Open Class where an unlimited amount of schools can enter. After that the 4A schools can have their class the 3A schools can have their class and so on and so forth but to alienate Cathedral and MD because they are private says to me you don't want to wrestle them because you don't want to lose to them. You can run the recruiting angle all you want but any kid anywhere in the state of Indiana is allowed to go to any school they want to they just have to get there on time pretty much every day. The recruiting bias should be dead by now. If your kids want to go to MD or Cathedral or Indianapolis Park Tudor they are allowed to go there with no restriction upon recruiting. Now the deal that happened with Christian Carol was one bad deal that was bad blood between the old athletic office and his new school but hopefully there are no issues this year for him. As far as showcasing one team over another think of it this way if you are playing travel baseball and you have an A tournament a B tournament and a C tournament and you are going to have a "showcase tournament" aren't you going to put your best teams in the A class?

Evansville will be dominated by Brownsburg again and will cruise to another Semi-State . 106, 113, 120, 126, 132, 138, 145 will be a Death Row followed by Brewer, Henry, Jones .

Consider MD and Cathedral to have moved up due to a similar "success factor" that other sports currently have. It totally makes sense for me to have the 4A champ to likely be the best team in the state, no matter class. There will be years that this isn't true but for the most part, it is. Honestly, no way to make everyone happy. There will be a line drawn somewhere and those below the line are likely to be upset. When there was a single team state champ, the #9 team was upset they didn't make it, but all had to qualify--a line was drawn. Now we have 32 teams fighting for 4 state championships, yet we now have even more teams (likely none that would win) upset they didn't make the cut. Just because some aren't happy, I would not make a change that keeps the top 4-5 teams from competing for the largest class championship.

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RSVP Garrett Wrestling ---Ill be there, but im not sure what goons I'm bringing with

While I get where you're coming from and don't agree with everything you're saying..I can DEFINITELY agree that it's okay to have the SAME number of representatives at each class. It wouldn't hurt anything.

Sorry for the double quote, what different rules do the play "bye"?

I get what you’re saying now in regards to MD… im ok if a school “wrestles” up, but I feel if they choose to wrestle up they should stay up for a “contracted number of years” …which I believe MD stays up every year anyway.

Carson Brewer is slated to be the starter again at 197 for Ohio U again. Slivka is moving up to the starting 165 spot. Pretty sure that they will be starting their seasons at the App State open in a couple weeks, followed by Navy Classic, then Cliff Keen out in Vegas.

I understand what you are saying but I disagree with any talk of putting MD, Cathedral, or any other private school in their own class just because someone thinks they can't beat them because they are a private school. Wrestling is the fairest sport there is there are only two contestants and they both weigh the same amount. If you want to create an open class for the team title I would be okay with that but do not alienate the private schools just because the public schools don't want to wrestle them.

I don't think you know exactly where I'm coming from. I'm referring to only MD when I talk about a 500 kid school competing with a 1200 kid school. A team that willingly goes to the top class to wrestle. If someone is saying we should have a private school class because their school is 2 or even 10x the size of MD and they can't beat MD I say "What more do you want MD to do?" As far as your situation goes you should do right for you and your team (you are probably already doing that). In general I would not expect a 500 kid school to jump up and wrestle Ben Davis or Penn or WC at team state. I say don't mess with the system that is in place unless IHSAA wants to take it and do a class team state as long as a school can willingly move up. However I don't see IHSAA taking it, they already had team state at one time and then stopped doing it for a number of reasons, that subject is probably best for another thread.

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I'll tell you what go make a division for whatever criteria you want. Put whatever schools want to be in this division, be it a huge school that is in the middle of nowhere or the small school that can't find the right competition or whatever criteria you want to make whatever school you want a state champ. Put all of them together and see who comes out on top and call them a state champ. But I can guarantee you if you pull Cathedral or MD out and put them in a private school division they will not be satisfied calling themselves a state champ unless they wrestle the top schools in the state. And I would bet that Crown Point Brownsburg or Center Grove isn't going to call themselves a state champ unless they wrestle Cathedral or MD. If you want to make it as Fair as you can for those that can't quite get there go make a division for them and leave us alone.

OMG! Just go wrestle! Quit whining if a kid goes to a public or private school. You guys should know by now it doesn't matter what school you go to it matters how much off season work you're doing. 4 momths in a HS room isn't going to make a state champ wrestler or team. Look at the top tier guys and schools they are not just wrestling in season. I cannot believe we have people complaining from a 1200 person School that a little 500 person School is beating them. Tell your kids to get to work you are not going to get there by just wrestling in season. And if they're better than you then so be it if someone is better than us we don't complain that they should be in a different class we are going all the way to the top to find the best competition we can find. What else do you want from a 500 kid school? I thought wrestlers didn't make excuses!

As a Wabash wrestler I would love to see that title in our hands... but we're hard at work to win the next one anyways.

My grandson Drake Kendrex wrestles for West Liberty University. A D2 school in West Virginia. He was voted most improved 2021-2022 season. He wrestled for Mt Vernon High School in Fortville.

Come on Wabash.

A lot of Indiana based guys get at-large bids: Parker Filius 141 Chad Red 141 Jordan Slivka 157 Gerrit Nijenhuis 174 Max Lyon 184 Donnell Washington 184 Did I miss anyone? https://www.ncaa.com/news/wrestling/article/2022-03-08/ncaa-announces-large-selections-2022-division-i-wrestling-championships

Whiteland “unofficially” moved from 3a to 4a, right at 2000 students. No seniors on the roster, SHOULD have 7 semi-state qualifiers (out of “category 6” Mooresville sectional and regional) would likely have enough points to qualify for 3a team state but possibly not 4a.

The IDOE released their numbers from the most recent count about a week ago. The IHSAA is expected to release their data in the next couple of weeks. Here is the IDOE data: Finally released by the DOE. Schools with an * do not report enrollments to the DOE, so their numbers are just what the IHSAA has in their directory and may not be current. Enrollments only include students in grades 9-12. Probably not perfect, but it should give an idea what the next alignment would be based off of.2 schools, Purdue Polytechnic and MTI School of Knowledge, will become tourney eligible in 23-24, so they are included. 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