blueandgold Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 Been thinking about this a lot lately, and I’ve come up with a few names. Chad Red (New Palestine) – Nebraska senior, 3-time All-American (7th, 8th, 6th), undefeated 4-time State Champion with a record of 183-0, Cadet Freestyle National Champion, FloNationals Champion, Super 32 Champion Angel Escobedo (Griffith) – Indiana University head coach, 2011 IHSWCA Hall of Fame, 2-time United States World Team Member, 2013 Senior Freestyle World Championships 5th Place at 55 kilograms, 4-time All-American, 2008 National Champion at 125 pounds, 4-time State Champion with a record 223-1, 2-time Junior Freestyle National Runner-Up, Cadet Greco National Runner-Up Andrew Howe (Hanover Central) – Northwestern University Associate Head Coach, 2012 Olympic Team Trials Finalist, 2012 United States National Team Member, 4-time All-American, 3-time NCAA Finalist, 2010 National Champion at 165 pounds, 2009 National Runner-Up at 165 pounds, 2014 National Runner-Up at 174 pounds, 3-time State Champion with a record of 192-1, 2008 Junior Freestyle National Champion, 2009 Junior Freestyle World Championships Bronze Medalist at 74 kilograms Reece Humphrey (Lawrence North) – New Jersey RTC Head Coach, 2019 Terry McCann Award for Freestyle Coach of the Year, 3-time United States World Team Member, 2013 Senior Freestyle World Championships 8th Place at 60 kilograms, 2-time All-American, 2009 National Runner-Up at 133 pounds, 3-time State Champion with a record of 160-7, 2005 Junior Greco National Champion at 135 pounds Nick Lee (Evansville Mater Dei) – Penn State senior, 3-time All-American, 2021 National Champion at 141 pounds, 2021 Olympic Team Trials 3rd Place, Junior Freestyle National Champion at 138 pounds, Cadet Freestyle National Champion at 132 pounds, 2-time UWW Cadet National Runner-Up Jason Tsirtsis (Crown Point) – Indiana University coach, 3-time All-American, 2014 National Champion at 149 pounds, 4-time State Champion with a record of 173-2, 2011 Junior Freestyle National Champion at 140 pounds, 2-time Super 32 Runner-Up, 2013 Junior Freestyle World Championships 7th Place at 66 kilograms For consideration Gable Steveson (Apple Valley, MN) – Indiana born and raised, competed in state until eighth grade, Minnesota senior, 2021 Olympic Champion at 125 kilograms, 2021 National Champion at Heavyweight, 2021 Hodge Trophy, 2-time Big Ten Champion, 4-time Minnesota State Champion, UWW Cadet World Champion Cricket21 and MUSKEEWRESTLER 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReformedPoster Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 If we are looking at the entirety of their careers, in my opinion you start with NCAA champs and figure out your list from there based on international results. For me, it would go something like this: 1. Andrew Howe 2. Angel Escobedo 3. Nick Lee 4. Jason Tsirtsis 5. Mason Parris I would move Lee up maybe to #1 if he were to win title #2 this year. Then factor in any international experience he gets in the coming years. He will have a tougher time being the #1 guy than Parris will. I would move Parris above Tsirtsis as soon as he wins a national title (likely next year). He's the front runner for the world team this next olympic cycle with Gable going WWE. How he does there will dictate where on the list he falls. An NCAA title and and world/olympic medals would move him to #1. IMO, if you don't wrestle in Indiana during HS, then we can't claim you. Gable Steveson should not be on a list of Indiana's best ever. He's a Minnesota guy. David Taylor was born in Nevada, but he's an OH guy. SunDevils, Jayruss, WrestleMan and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greco165 Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 1 hour ago, ReformedPoster said: If we are looking at the entirety of their careers, in my opinion you start with NCAA champs and figure out your list from there based on international results. For me, it would go something like this: 1. Andrew Howe 2. Angel Escobedo 3. Nick Lee 4. Jason Tsirtsis 5. Mason Parris I would move Lee up maybe to #1 if he were to win title #2 this year. Then factor in any international experience he gets in the coming years. He will have a tougher time being the #1 guy than Parris will. I would move Parris above Tsirtsis as soon as he wins a national title (likely next year). He's the front runner for the world team this next olympic cycle with Gable going WWE. How he does there will dictate where on the list he falls. An NCAA title and and world/olympic medals would move him to #1. IMO, if you don't wrestle in Indiana during HS, then we can't claim you. Gable Steveson should not be on a list of Indiana's best ever. He's a Minnesota guy. David Taylor was born in Nevada, but he's an OH guy. If you start with NCAA champs then Kelvin Jackson from Anderson Highland has to be above Parris Jayruss, FCFIGHTER170 and ReformedPoster 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachDuke2.0 Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 I didnt see anyone before 2000. Too young. Im going off of the eye test. Its so hard. I think if vegas oddsmakers created betting lines somehow they would be pick ems for the most part. Maybe an occasional -1 or -1.5. 1.) j tsirtsis 2.) mendez 3.) angel 4.) howe 5.) a tsirtsis 6.) red 7.) humphrey 8.) micic 9.) paris 10.) maurer 11.) nick lee 12.) b lee 13.) hernandez 14.) seltzer 15.) coughlin i was just telling someone the other day if i could find a time machine and set up a match between mendez and and j tsirtsis their senior year I would love to see it. That would be my dream hypothetical match. BrodyHardcastle, Cricket21 and Paycheck141 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silence Dogood Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 Micic and Howe get the nod for longest NCAA careers. ILUV2PIN, Cricket21, Wrestlerturnedcoach and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rookie78 Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 I think the obvious #1 here would be @Y2CJ41, but I know others have their own opinions. Y2CJ41 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FCFIGHTER170 Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 (edited) I'll drop a few of the lesser mentioned Legends that age among the best all around talents from Indiana.. Old school but a bad man was Pete Lee of Muncie Central that isn't as known but from my older buddies who were coached by and knew him, that also heard stories, said he was a monster and one of if not the best Greco guy ever from Indiana. State 1969 Hwt State 1st 1968 Hwt State 2nd World 1982 100kg Senior Greco-Roman World Championship 3rd 1977 100kg Senior Greco-Roman World Championship 6th 1976 100kg Greco-Roman Olympic Championship 5th 1973 100kg Greco-Roman Senior World Championship 10th Gotta show the ladies some love Kayla Miracle.. First And only female to this day, to make it to the boys IHSAA state finals . State 2012 106 State Qualifier National 2014 130 Women's Junior Freestyle Nationals 2nd 2013 139 Women's Junior Freestyle Nationals 2nd 2012 124 Women's 16U Freestyle Nationals 3rd 2012 121 Women's Junior Freestyle Nationals 1st 2011 108 Women's 16U Freestyle Nationals 1st 2011 112 Women's Junior Freestyle Nationals 2nd 2021 62kg Women's Freestyle Olympic Championship 12th 2021 62kg Women's Freestyle Senior World Championship 2nd 2019 62kg Women's Freestyle Senior World Championship 8th 2019 62kg Women's Freestyle U23 World Championship 2nd 2018 62kg Women's Freestyle U23 World Championship 5th 2017 60kg Women's Freestyle U23 World Championship 5th 2016 59kg Women's Freestyle Junior World Championship 3rd 2015 59kg Women's Freestyle Junior World Championship 8th 2014 59kg Women's Freestyle Junior World Championship 3rd 2012 56kg Women's Freestyle Cadet World Championship 2nd 2011 49kg Women's Freestyle Cadet World Championship 8th Sarah Hildebrandt National 2011 121 Women's Junior Freestyle Nationals 1st 2010 116 Women's Junior Freestyle Nationals 2nd 2009 109 Women's Junior Freestyle Nationals 4th World 2021 50kg Women's Freestyle Olympic Championship 3rd 2021 50kg Women's Freestyle Senior World Championship 2nd 2019 53kg Women's Freestyle Senior World Championship 9th 2018 53kg Women's Freestyle Senior World Championship 2nd 2016 55kg Women's Freestyle Senior World Championship 10th 2013 55kg Women's Freestyle Junior World Championship 10th 2012 55kg Women's Freestyle Junior World Championship 11th Alara Boyd, currently ranked #1 and on the top women's college Team at McKendree University... as a freshman she finished runner up finish at Collegiate women's championships in 2020 And as of 2021 she became NCWWC National Champion... Part of NCWWC Championship team... And a 2x NCWWC All-American State 2019 138 Girls State 1st 2017 138 Girls State 1st National 2019 138 Women's Junior Freestyle Nationals 1st 2018 138 Women's Junior Freestyle Nationals 3rd 2017 144 Women's Junior Freestyle Nationals 2nd 2016 132 Women's 16U Freestyle Nationals 2nd 2016 139 Women's Junior Freestyle Nationals 4th World 2019 62kg Women's Freestyle Junior World Championship 8th 2017 65kg Women's Freestyle Cadet World Championship 2nd 2016 60kg Women's Freestyle Cadet World Championship 3rd Edited January 12, 2022 by FCFIGHTER170 Paycheck141, Jayruss, Cricket21 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FCFIGHTER170 Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 Katie Krieb Downing 2007 67kg Women's Freestyle Senior World Championship 3rd 2006 67kg Women's Freestyle Senior World Championship 14th 2005 67kg Women's Freestyle Senior World Championship 3rd 1999 68kg Women's Freestyle Junior World Championship 2nd The Mentor to many of da Regions phenoms Leroy Vega State 1997 112 State 1st 1996 103 State 1st 1995 100 State 3rd National 1997 114.5 Junior Freestyle Nationals 1st 1997 114.5 Junior Greco Nationals 1st 1996 105.5 Junior Greco Nationals 3rd 1995 103.5 16U Greco Nationals 5th College 2001 125 NCAA DI 3rd for Minnesota 2000 125 NCAA DI 5th for Minnesota 1999 125 NCAA DI 5th for Minnesota World 1999 54kg Freestyle Junior World Championship 7th 1998 60kg Greco-Roman Junior World Championship 9th Awards 2013 IHSWCA Hall of Fame Wrestler IMHO besides Nick Lee on of t best 1xers ever David McCubbins State 1991 171 State 1st 1990 171 State Qualifier 1989 171 State Qualifier National 1992 178 Junior Freestyle Nationals 1st 1992 178 Junior Greco Nationals 1st 1990 167 16U Freestyle Nationals 1st 1990 167 16U Greco Nationals 1st 1989 167 16U Greco Nationals 2nd World 1992 81kg Greco-Roman Junior World Championship 4th 1990 76kg Greco-Roman Cadet World Championship 4th busstogate, Jayruss and Worden 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FC118 Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 I would add David Palmer from Muncie South and Delta. 111-2 HS record with 3 State Titles and a runner-up finish as a freshman. He was the first wrestler from Indiana to make the World Cup team and he was a World Champion in 1979 and National Champion in 1982. He wrestled on the great Oklahoma teams in the early 1980's but his college career was curtained by injuries. FCFIGHTER170, guillotine, mundell and 4 others 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PreparetoWin Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 10 hours ago, FCFIGHTER170 said: Katie Krieb Downing 2007 67kg Women's Freestyle Senior World Championship 3rd 2006 67kg Women's Freestyle Senior World Championship 14th 2005 67kg Women's Freestyle Senior World Championship 3rd 1999 68kg Women's Freestyle Junior World Championship 2nd The Mentor to many of da Regions phenoms Leroy Vega State 1997 112 State 1st 1996 103 State 1st 1995 100 State 3rd National 1997 114.5 Junior Freestyle Nationals 1st 1997 114.5 Junior Greco Nationals 1st 1996 105.5 Junior Greco Nationals 3rd 1995 103.5 16U Greco Nationals 5th College 2001 125 NCAA DI 3rd for Minnesota 2000 125 NCAA DI 5th for Minnesota 1999 125 NCAA DI 5th for Minnesota World 1999 54kg Freestyle Junior World Championship 7th 1998 60kg Greco-Roman Junior World Championship 9th Awards 2013 IHSWCA Hall of Fame Wrestler IMHO besides Nick Lee on of t best 1xers ever David McCubbins State 1991 171 State 1st 1990 171 State Qualifier 1989 171 State Qualifier National 1992 178 Junior Freestyle Nationals 1st 1992 178 Junior Greco Nationals 1st 1990 167 16U Freestyle Nationals 1st 1990 167 16U Greco Nationals 1st 1989 167 16U Greco Nationals 2nd World 1992 81kg Greco-Roman Junior World Championship 4th 1990 76kg Greco-Roman Cadet World Championship 4th McCubbins was insane at Freestyle and Greco. He was a few years older than me and I remember it was a show when he was on the mat. FCFIGHTER170 and ReformedPoster 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 Maybe we should put together a list. FCFIGHTER170 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeamGarcia Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 I’m taking the ladies accomplishment’s as my Vote . Very impressive resumes. Kayla and Sarah is just outstanding ! Rugger44 and Worden 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReformedPoster Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 2 hours ago, PreparetoWin said: McCubbins was insane at Freestyle and Greco. He was a few years older than me and I remember it was a show when he was on the mat. Would have been a 2xer if not for being injured right before the post season PreparetoWin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestlerturnedcoach Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 (edited) 23 hours ago, ReformedPoster said: If we are looking at the entirety of their careers, in my opinion you start with NCAA champs and figure out your list from there based on international results. For me, it would go something like this: 1. Andrew Howe 2. Angel Escobedo 3. Nick Lee 4. Jason Tsirtsis 5. Mason Parris I'd have to take Mason off and add Reece Humphrey (dominated more in hs when you factor in his AAs from Fargo, at tOSU did everything but win it, and his senior level career is similar to Andrews. Edited January 12, 2022 by Wrestlerturnedcoach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattM Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 18 hours ago, FCFIGHTER170 said: Katie Krieb Downing 2007 67kg Women's Freestyle Senior World Championship 3rd 2006 67kg Women's Freestyle Senior World Championship 14th 2005 67kg Women's Freestyle Senior World Championship 3rd 1999 68kg Women's Freestyle Junior World Championship 2nd Solid pull on Downing. She was an OG of Women’s wrestling for Indiana. formercollegekid and FCFIGHTER170 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReformedPoster Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 (edited) 19 hours ago, Wrestlerturnedcoach said: I'd have to take Mason off and add Reece Humphrey (dominated more in hs when you factor in his AAs from Fargo, at tOSU did everything but win it, and his senior level career is similar to Andrews. Regardless if you factor in fargo, Humphrey was not more dominant in HS that Mason Parris. No way. If you just look at state finals results, Parris was 15-1 with 14 bonus point wins. Only loss was 11-10. Humphrey was 12-1 with only 6 bonus point wins, and was majored by another all time great, Escobedo, 13-5. Edited January 13, 2022 by ReformedPoster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 Luckily we have a page with world level accomplishments on this one cool website. https://indianamat.com/index.php?/history/worlds.html/ Jayruss 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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