KoontzDaddy Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Okay, so I'm wondering what other coaches, fans, wrestlers, etc. think of this cause I'm a little frustrated. We have now had 2 dual meets in which the team we are wrestling dodges one of our wrestlers and actually removes kids from the lineup to avoid wrestling our 160 lber. I literally watched a coach hold his 160 lber back and wait to see who we sent to the score table, then gave us the forfeit, then bumped his 60 to 70 and bumped their 70 from the lineup. I should preface this by saying that the team we were wrestling has beaten us soundly twice before this so it wasn't like there was a real strategy where saving one point would mean the difference. The frustrating part is it is senior night and we've got family, friends, and many of the students there to celebrate a pretty successful wrestler that has meant a lot to our program. To me, it looked like a sissy move. I understand strategy and best case scenario is that he saves a couple points, but again, they have dominated us in the last 2 duals. What happened to you lineup your team against my team and we will go at it? Frustrated on senior night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellrs Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 We have seen the same thing. I can see the point sometimes but other times it is very frustrating for the wrestler receiving the forfeit and it is hurting him in the long run. I get if they don't want to send out a beginner guy but we have seen it from good opponents where both wrestlers would have benefitted from a good match. In many cases, the outcome of the dual was already decided so it was not for strategic scoring reasons. It really sucks that it happened to your wrestler on senior night :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edb41 Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Usually it has to do with trying to protect sectional seeding, and I've seen it work more than once. Goes against everything I think is beautiful about the sport of wrestling.....but that's just my opinion. quinnsDAD 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoontzDaddy Posted January 14, 2015 Author Share Posted January 14, 2015 Couldn't agree more! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoontzDaddy Posted January 14, 2015 Author Share Posted January 14, 2015 And another thing. If I'm the parents of the wrestler that gets bumped after paying my money and watching my kid do a face off thinking he's going to wrestle and then he gets bumped at the last second, I'm NOT happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arch.74 Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 I think once a kid steps on the scales, that's it, done deal!!!! Had they weighed in more than one 160#, they should put someone out there. Any thoughts on the increase of these incidents being related to padding for the hopes of a Team State invite? Just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In The Bleachers Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 I think that is happened more offend that not do to holding out for individual seeds in the conference or sectionals, not for teams really. Because a forfeit at the weight class is the same as a pin at the weight class. I know it stinks when coaches do these things, but one thing to take from it is your 160 lb is a stud. I have seen it way to often here down south. I am sorry it happened, but no it will not be an advantage team wise to give the forfeit cause the best that the 160 lb that bump could do is cancel out that forfeit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachi123 Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Its not the responciblity of the opposing coach to give you the match up you think you should get. You know your wrestlers and he knows his. Maybe there is something that the coach knows or thinks about HIS team. My oppinion only, but I worry about my wrestlers/team only. When you run my practice then you can decide who goes out to the mat at what weight. When a team "dodges" my stud wrestler, we take it as the highest form of respect for that wrestler you just gave 6 team points. kman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachCurry Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 As a Coach you have to do everything you can to fight for your kid... if that means he sits a meet for a section conference seed then you do it... Its not about the other kids family or friends... its about protecting your kids.. I've seen many coaches do it and does it suck when your on the other side of it... YES, but if i was in the same position i would do it also... is it dodging matches??some say it is... but is not sissy its not bad for the sport. In MOST cases, they have seen the wrestler before and beat them... That kid should have beat them in the first match. I know this doesn't apply to this match, but bumping a kid up to get him another win on his record instead of a loss. That's a strategy for seeding because winning percentage is a criteria... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetwrestling Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 The idea of holding a kid out of a good match for a sectional seed goes against what a lot of top programs try to do. They go and look for the best competition. Just look at some of the schedules for the top teams in the state, it is brutal. I would rather a kid be battle tested and able to handle the tough matches they will face during their tournament run. If they only wrestle kids they can beat, how will they be able to pull out a tough win versus someone who may be a little better than them come tournament time? Tony Currie decbell1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestling Scholar Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 I agree you should try to get as many tough matches for kids to get them ready for the state tourney. But to put into context, was this a close a dual match? Its not uncommon for teams to move up a up a weight to try to steal a few points which kid make a difference in a very close dual. It just might have been a strategic decision to win a match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrecoISU Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Realize that sometimes coaches are looking for better matchups to win for the team. As a coach you have the opportunity to protect your wrestler by making sure the opposing team has choice which forces them to report to the table first. Do people dodge wrestlers for seeds? Yes but from my experience it usually works against them in the end and it's sweet justice when they lose and don't get out of the sectional. We had this happen last year where a coach fought for a lower seed in an effort to wrestle our kid in the first round of sectionals. We pinned him again and he was upset in the 2nd round and didn't make it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rookie78 Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 You could have a coach not wrestle the opposing team at all..... Super_Fan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Humble Jr. Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 We had a heavy weight that weighed 220 and it was his second week of wrestling ever. We still sent him out against Norman from BD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarlHungus Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 We had a heavy weight that weighed 220 and it was his second week of wrestling ever. We still sent him out against Norman from BD He has experience Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Humble Jr. Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 This is a actual picture of what Norman did to him base, In The Bleachers, horseofadifferentcolor and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warsawwrestling Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 I'm the one on the left!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TripleB Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 I used to catch ffts all time, even in state tourney. I had 2 at sectionals my senior year. I spent 6 seconds on mat at sectionals. Both years at team ss, the other team fft to me. It was very frustrating from a cardio and workout position. I was losing match time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ENoblewrestling Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 So if I am reading this correctly they are bumping to avoid Liter, and going up to wrestle Luginbill? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bog190 Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 So if I am reading this correctly they are bumping to avoid Liter, and going up to wrestle Luginbill? What post are you inferring that from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ENoblewrestling Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Okay, so I'm wondering what other coaches, fans, wrestlers, etc. think of this cause I'm a little frustrated. We have now had 2 dual meets in which the team we are wrestling dodges one of our wrestlers and actually removes kids from the lineup to avoid wrestling our 160 lber. I literally watched a coach hold his 160 lber back and wait to see who we sent to the score table, then gave us the forfeit, then bumped his 60 to 70 and bumped their 70 from the lineup. I should preface this by saying that the team we were wrestling has beaten us soundly twice before this so it wasn't like there was a real strategy where saving one point would mean the difference. The frustrating part is it is senior night and we've got family, friends, and many of the students there to celebrate a pretty successful wrestler that has meant a lot to our program. To me, it looked like a sissy move. I understand strategy and best case scenario is that he saves a couple points, but again, they have dominated us in the last 2 duals. What happened to you lineup your team against my team and we will go at it? Frustrated on senior night. The original post.This guys icon has AC as his school so I assumed that is the case? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bog190 Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 The original post.This guys icon has AC as his school so I assumed that is the case? Gotcha, seems unlikely that's what he's referencing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Humble Jr. Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 I'm guessing he is talking about Edgewood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 I'm guessing he is talking about Edgewood Even with the loss of your wisdom teeth you have become even wiser LetsWrastle 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carseller0822 Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 This is a actual picture of what Norman did to him That one made me choke on my coffee. Nice Barry Humble Jr. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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