Regionrat1 Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 Watching the WTT last night - my vote goes to Sara Hildabrant. She has here game together! Tough on her feet - might be the best in parre tere of both men and women! She mauled her way through! I say she wins worlds !! Worden, Sig40, purdue02 and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 Not Andrew Howe or Angel Escobedo? Back this winter I put together a list of the best wrestlers of all time. I put in values for placements at state, college, and world level events. Some are a little arbitrary, but it's a good list of GREAT wrestlers. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1aFeir613jNa7JYV6p0vuh7aMKDt-9KryMRW2K0xU660/edit?usp=sharing purdue02, Ironbear, MUSKEEWRESTLER and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 Both Howe and Esscobedo are Region Rats. But the Rat has to call a spade a spade. What she has accomplished on the world level tops it all. Even if I could stuff the ballot box or pack the court I have to go with Hildi. ( not that it happens in Lake county) I am a huge fan of our Indiana girl erasers. rdrodd1 and MUSKEEWRESTLER 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1prouddad Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 Kayla has an impressive resume Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 14 hours ago, 1prouddad said: Kayla has an impressive resume Not many can say they have medaled at the cadet, junior, U23, and senior levels. Consistency at that high of a level is extremely impressive. Paycheck141, 1prouddad, Misty Kendrex and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayruss Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 On 6/11/2022 at 2:02 PM, Y2CJ41 said: Not many can say they have medaled at the cadet, junior, U23, and senior levels. Consistency at that high of a level is extremely impressive. But at the same time how many women are competing? You have to factor in the level of competition and competitors. She’s the women’s GOAT of Indiana, but similar to mma you can’t compare this as apples to apples. Paycheck141 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jcjcjc Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 11 hours ago, Jayruss said: But at the same time how many women are competing? You have to factor in the level of competition and competitors. She’s the women’s GOAT of Indiana, but similar to mma you can’t compare this as apples to apples. When someone wins a sprinting event, we don’t look to see how many people ran the 100 meter dash in high school because we know the Olympic sprinter would smoke every single person in the world. Hildabrandt and Miracle would smoke almost every single woman in the world on the mat, and it’s a big pretty big world. Jayruss, bwoodjc89, Y2CJ41 and 12 others 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReformedPoster Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 On 6/13/2022 at 10:41 AM, Jcjcjc said: When someone wins a sprinting event, we don’t look to see how many people ran the 100 meter dash in high school because we know the Olympic sprinter would smoke every single person in the world. Hildabrandt and Miracle would smoke almost every single woman in the world on the mat, and it’s a big pretty big world. They are great, no doubt about it. Do they deserve to be mentioned among the Indiana greats? Absolutlely. Would Hildebrandt be the very best ever from Indiana. No. Nobody considers Flo Jo or Alison Felix to be better than say Carl Lewis, even though they may have more accolades. Same type of thing here. Jayruss and piscis1956 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M109R Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 18 hours ago, ReformedPoster said: They are great, no doubt about it. Do they deserve to be mentioned among the Indiana greats? Absolutlely. Would Hildebrandt be the very best ever from Indiana. No. Nobody considers Flo Jo or Alison Felix to be better than say Carl Lewis, even though they may have more accolades. Same type of thing here. I believe it is too close to call between Lewis and Felix . Carl has more gold , Felix has more total medals . Felix not only made an Olympic team after giving birth , but won Gold . I tend to sway towards Felix as the Goat Track athlete . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReformedPoster Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 (edited) 14 minutes ago, M109R said: I believe it is too close to call between Lewis and Felix . Carl has more gold , Felix has more total medals . Felix not only made an Olympic team after giving birth , but won Gold . I tend to sway towards Felix as the Goat Track athlete . Agree to disagree. Felix's personal best in the 400m is 49.26, which would have placed 10th at this year's IHSAA boys state finals. It's just hard for me to say that she's the GOAT track athlete. Let's look at another case. Who would you consider to be the GOAT from Maryland? Kyle Snyder or Helen Maroulis? Maroulis has 7 World/Olympic medals: 4 gold, 1 silver, 2 bronze. Snyder has 7 as well: 3 Gold, 3 silver, and a bronze. I'd guess not a single person would say Maroulis, even though she has more golds. Edited June 21, 2022 by ReformedPoster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nighthawk21 Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 Apples to oranges at this point piscis1956 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piscis1956 Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 Of course, it’s apples to oranges. There’s a reason why the males and females don’t compete against each other at the higher levels. Obviously, if someone says Sara Hildebrandt is Indiana’s Best, then they obviously aren’t seriously talking about literally all Indiana wrestlers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piscis1956 Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 Who is the GOAT … Babe Ruth, Wayne Gretzky, Michael Jordan … or perhaps Ken Jennings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Time Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 These conversations remind me of the campfire scene in Stand By Me. Superman vs. Batman. Mighty Mouse vs. Underdog. Goofy. What is he? A person? A dog? mdtodd, Misty Kendrex, MUSKEEWRESTLER and 1 other 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 1 hour ago, piscis1956 said: Of course, it’s apples to oranges. There’s a reason why the males and females don’t compete against each other at the higher levels. Obviously, if someone says Sara Hildebrandt is Indiana’s Best, then they obviously aren’t seriously talking about literally all Indiana wrestlers. How many Indiana wrestlers have an Olympic medal? Wrestlingfan937 and Jcjcjc 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piscis1956 Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 7 minutes ago, Y2CJ41 said: How many Indiana wrestlers have an Olympic medal? Point taken. I’m not trying to take anything away from Sara. She is indeed a great woman wrestler. No denying it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numberz Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 No, she is a great wrestler! MUSKEEWRESTLER, IU89, Y2CJ41 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jcjcjc Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 5 hours ago, ReformedPoster said: Agree to disagree. Felix's personal best in the 400m is 49.26, which would have placed 10th at this year's IHSAA boys state finals. It's just hard for me to say that she's the GOAT track athlete. Let's look at another case. Who would you consider to be the GOAT from Maryland? Kyle Snyder or Helen Maroulis? Maroulis has 7 World/Olympic medals: 4 gold, 1 silver, 2 bronze. Snyder has 7 as well: 3 Gold, 3 silver, and a bronze. I'd guess not a single person would say Maroulis, even though she has more golds. I would absolutely say Maroulis. Why do you assume people wouldn't? IU89 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jcjcjc Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 On 6/20/2022 at 12:20 PM, ReformedPoster said: They are great, no doubt about it. Do they deserve to be mentioned among the Indiana greats? Absolutlely. Would Hildebrandt be the very best ever from Indiana. No. Nobody considers Flo Jo or Alison Felix to be better than say Carl Lewis, even though they may have more accolades. Same type of thing here. People do consider this track analogy. You are just assuming people agree with your logic when it comes to other sports and then using that logic for wrestling. Maroulis beat an unbeatable foe to win the first Olympic Gold for USA in women's wrestling. That's the best win for USA Wrestling of all time in my opinion. IU89 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReformedPoster Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 1 hour ago, Jcjcjc said: People do consider this track analogy. You are just assuming people agree with your logic when it comes to other sports and then using that logic for wrestling. Maroulis beat an unbeatable foe to win the first Olympic Gold for USA in women's wrestling. That's the best win for USA Wrestling of all time in my opinion. I disagree. Rulon beating Karelin, Slay beating Satiev and Snyder beating Sadulaev are above the Maroulis win for me. Karelin is the greatest greco wrestler of all time. Rulon beating him was a monumental upset. Same for Slay over Satiev. Sadulaev is the best wrestler in the world and has been for years. Snyder beating him was a huge upset JORVILLE and Disco 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestlingfan937 Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 If the Ncaa had D1 womans wrestling how would Kayla Miracle do? Will she AA? will she win it all> What would be her record? What about Sarah? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 55 minutes ago, Wrestlingfan937 said: If the Ncaa had D1 womans wrestling how would Kayla Miracle do? Will she AA? will she win it all> What would be her record? What about Sarah? they both were multiple time national champions in the highest collegiate league at the time of their careers. Wrestlingfan937, IU89 and MUSKEEWRESTLER 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silence Dogood Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 22 hours ago, Matt Time said: These conversations remind me of the campfire scene in Stand By Me. Superman vs. Batman. Mighty Mouse vs. Underdog. Goofy. What is he? A person? A dog? Superman vs mighty mouse... Super man is a real guy. Matt Time, Misty Kendrex and MattM 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jcjcjc Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 20 hours ago, ReformedPoster said: I disagree. Rulon beating Karelin, Slay beating Satiev and Snyder beating Sadulaev are above the Maroulis win for me. Karelin is the greatest greco wrestler of all time. Rulon beating him was a monumental upset. Same for Slay over Satiev. Sadulaev is the best wrestler in the world and has been for years. Snyder beating him was a huge upset Helen beat a 16 time defending world/Olympic champ. IU89 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReformedPoster Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Jcjcjc said: Helen beat a 16 time defending world/Olympic champ. I'm aware. I just think the other wins were bigger/more significant. We'll just agree to disagree on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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