mdspiderman81 Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 What do you think? My money is on the MD. champs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
navy80 Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 As much as I love the south, al smith was much, much deeper than the mater Dei Classic. throw45 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jDub Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 Agreed. I'm a southern fan as well and I was blown away by the amount of elite wrestlers at the Al Smith! Incredibly impressive amount of talent in one building and it not be the state finals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throw45 Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 106 MD 113 MD 120 AS 126 AS 132 MD 138 AS 145 AS 152 MD 160 MD 170 MD 182 AS 195 AS 220 MD 285 MD 8 matches to 6 MD...Championship matches only. Top to bottom there really isn't a comparison, but the Holiday Classic is a great tourney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1prouddad Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 106-EMD-Escalara over Smith 113-EMD-Garcia over Watts 120- AS-Triana over Dickens 126-AS- Rooks over White 132-EMD Luigs over Gimson 138-EMD Scheffer over Rumph 145-EMD Oxford over McIntosh 152-EMD Lee over Hatch 160-EMD Brewer over Mappes 170-EMD Vanhorn over Penola 182-AS Davison over Sonner 195-AS Davison over Wilderman 220-EMD Larson over Pokorney 285-EMD Ripple over Lawson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
800lbs Gorilla Mama Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 As much as I love the south, al smith was much, much deeper than the mater Dei Classic. Not in every weight. 220 was much deeper at EMD. i think EMD wins 9 finals vs AL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In The Bleachers Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 (edited) 120 has already happened this year and Dickens won... just saying Edited December 31, 2016 by In The Bleachers 2intense 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
800lbs Gorilla Mama Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 120 has already happened this year and Dickens won... just saying 220 has already happened at Team State. Larson 5-1 over Pokemey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWINfan Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 120 has already happened this year and Dickens won... just saying Thank you, I thought so and was about to go look it up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1prouddad Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 120 has already happened this year and Dickens won... just sayingFair enough, but Dickens lost to Bealmer(Ca) by fall who lost by fall to Triana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montymo118 Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 Is this a joke? A 15 team tournament doesn't even compare with a 32 team tournament! Ranked IN teams at the Evansville tournament are #3 Avon and #5 Mater Dei. Ranked teams at Al Smith (hold on this will take a minute or two!) #4 Portage #6 Penn #9 Merrillville #12 Carroll #13 Bellmont #14 Zionsville #17 Chesterton #18 Columbus East #20 Prairie Heights. Really even close???? You can't compare champs of a 3 win tournament to a two day 32 team meat grinder! Put the champs in with more than one other ranked or even good wrestler in their weight class and see how they stack up. Look at all the upsets at the Al Smith! It's because it's a grind that you don't walk through, you have to fight through! Two Hobart kids (#1 at 138 Black and #8 at 145 Colza) got sick and couldn't finish a Chesterton kid (#10 at 160 Lesley) had skin they wouldn't let go then several other guys didn't show up for other unknown reasons.....i.e. #7 at 120 from Penn DeMien. Matdad 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1prouddad Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 Is this a joke? A 15 team tournament doesn't even compare with a 32 team tournament! Ranked IN teams at the Evansville tournament are #3 Avon and #5 Mater Dei. Ranked teams at Al Smith (hold on this will take a minute or two!) #4 Portage #6 Penn #9 Merrillville #12 Carroll #13 Bellmont #14 Zionsville #17 Chesterton #18 Columbus East #20 Prairie Heights. Really even close???? You can't compare champs of a 3 win tournament to a two day 32 team meat grinder! Put the champs in with more than one other ranked or even good wrestler in their weight class and see how they stack up. Look at all the upsets at the Al Smith! It's because it's a grind that you don't walk through, you have to fight through! Two Hobart kids (#1 at 138 Black and #8 at 145 Colza) got sick and couldn't finish a Chesterton kid (#10 at 160 Lesley) had skin they wouldn't let go then several other guys didn't show up for other unknown reasons.....i.e. #7 at 120 from Penn DeMien.No, it's not a joke. Upsets, if that's what you want to call them happen in all tournaments no matter how many teams are there. The EMD Classic also host top ranked teams from Kentucky and a team from Illinois that comes with some grinders of their own. This is a post that happens every year after these 2 tournaments have concluded. TeamGarcia 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeamGarcia Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 (edited) No, it's not a joke. Upsets, if that's what you want to call them happen in all tournaments no matter how many teams are there. The EMD Classic also host top ranked teams from Kentucky and a team from Illinois that comes with some grinders of their own. This is a post that happens every year after these 2 tournaments have concluded. ☝New Guy ! Edited December 31, 2016 by TeamGarcia loscoz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdrodd1 Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 (edited) Look forward to seeing that 160 match up at Mooresville Regional. Edited December 31, 2016 by rdrodd1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ontherise219 Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 How many teams would leave the Al smith to go to mater dei? I would guess not many. How many would leave mater dei for Al smith? The Al Smith is a grind. I think you are over estimating the Kentucky kids a lot of them wrestled at Indianamat preseason open and DNP'ed top 4 at al smith isn't even close. Combest won the ihpo weight with luigs. Jacob Moran almost majored the Kentucky 106 yet he is unbeatable. Obviously some weights are deeper. There isn't a individual regular season tourney that is as good as al smith. I bet there were kids who didn't place this weekend who will medal this year. Matdad and rdrodd1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1prouddad Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 How many would leave mater dei for Al smith? Obviously none The post is about Champ vs Champ as it is every year. But I guess since the majority that have posted have sided for EMD, that's caused an uproar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeamGarcia Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 Ok..... I'm going to be honest. I want my kid to wrestle the best weekend, week out. I'd take the bigger tournament all day . Idea .... DING! Combine them ! Matdad, loscoz and 1prouddad 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ontherise219 Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 106-toss up 113- Garcia state champ 120- dickens won vs triana 126- rooks 132- luigs 138- rumph 145-kasper 152 joe 160- Mappes 170- van horn 182- Davison 195-Davison 220- Larson 285 Lawson pinned streck and Samuels Runners up 106- Rioux 113- cavanaugh 120- rooks 126- Cummings 132- Ervin 138- kraezing 145- rasler 152- kern 160- levitz 170- Fattore 182- blakely 195- Eli 220- boots 285- streck 3rd 106- Hollis 113- peele 120- Poynter 126 delapena 132-Tolin 138-sellmer 145- arney 152- breitthitb 160- Wilson 170- Malone 182- Moore 195- hankerson 220- cheam 285- sorg. Both are very tough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ontherise219 Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 Mooresville was nasty too Sydokun 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
800lbs Gorilla Mama Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 (edited) 106-toss up 113- Garcia state champ 120- dickens won vs triana 126- rooks 132- luigs 138- rumph 145-kasper 152 joe 160- Mappes 170- van horn 182- Davison 195-Davison 220- Larson 285 Lawson pinned streck and Samuels Runners up 106- Rioux 113- cavanaugh 120- rooks 126- Cummings 132- Ervin 138- kraezing 145- rasler 152- kern 160- levitz 170- Fattore 182- blakely 195- Eli 220- boots 285- streck 3rd 106- Hollis 113- peele 120- Poynter 126 delapena 132-Tolin 138-sellmer 145- arney 152- breitthitb 160- Wilson 170- Malone 182- Moore 195- hankerson 220- cheam 285- sorg. Both are very tough My source tells me Ripple smashes everyone at Al Smith at 285. Also Brewer smashed the Zville kid who beat Mappes Edited December 31, 2016 by 800lbs Gorilla Mama Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattyb Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 (edited) . Edited December 31, 2016 by Mattyb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydokun Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 Got to say Al Smith. We do Mooresville and it has its share of talent but let's be honest with all the teams and the grind to get to the top you know you get the best of the best. Not saying there are not kids at MD, Mooresville or even Connersville. That could not win it because there are. All and all they all make for great wrestling though the holidays. Congrats to all the winners. rdrodd1 and Matdad 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattyb Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 (edited) My source tells me Ripple smashes everyone at Al Smith at 285. Also Brewer smashed the Zville kid who beat MappesCarson took a bad loss to a very tough wrestler at team state . He wasn't around last year, and didn't look that great at Evansville (was a bit ill). He knows that he has work to do. Time will tell if Mike is right. I assure you that he will work hard to try to get to the top (always has worked hard). No excuses here. Gotta work harder to earn respect. Edited December 31, 2016 by Mattyb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ontherise219 Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 My source tells me Ripple smashes everyone at Al Smith at 285. Also Brewer smashed the Zville kid who beat Mappes So brewer beat a zionsville kid who beat Mappes and that's your criteria but Lawson pinning Robert who beat the guy who knock ripple out doesn't matter in this opinion question. Ok rdrodd1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdrodd1 Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 Where is Caliboy when you need him? hook and half and Jimtown 138 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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