casualwrestlingfan Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 What would you change in aspects of high school wrestling in the state? I'd make a few changes. I'd bring back the old team state tournament. I'd change the format though and make it dual meet for sectionals instead individual results determining sectional champions who then had duals throughout. I'd also incorporate the coaches Class tournament. I'd also expand it in to sectional, regional, and maybe semi state or just put it to state from regional. I'd also put wrestle backs in all portions of the individual tournament including state. Still have only top 8 place. I know the schedule probably wouldn't allow for this. Sorry the thread should be "in control of" not controlling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sudden death 7 Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 Team state in same format as the individual state tournament (sectional-regional-semistate) but taking place before individual state finals. Wrestle backs starting with the ticket round for the individual state tournament. Take it out to 8 places per Semistate taking 32 to the individual state finals. Still only place 8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legger Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 Allow teams to go past 300 mile travels restrictions once a year like Ohio. bellrs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ekocottonball Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Allow teams to go past 300 mile travels restrictions once a year like Ohio.Agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casualwrestlingfan Posted December 14, 2015 Author Share Posted December 14, 2015 Anyone know how the schedule would look making the Class team state duals into multiple rounds? Single elimination style compared to maybe having a super dual where you put teams into 2 groups of 4 with round robin? Should be able to do each round (sectional, regional, and etc) on a single day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warsawwrestling Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Just for Y2 I would make Indiana Class Wrestling........Just kidding! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Anyone know how the schedule would look making the Class team state duals into multiple rounds? Single elimination style compared to maybe having a super dual where you put teams into 2 groups of 4 with round robin? Should be able to do each round (sectional, regional, and etc) on a single day. The best case scenario would be a four class dual state series as we could get it done in a week. With 4 classes you would have about 78 teams per class. Sectional: 32 sectionals with 4-6 teams on Tuesday(down to 32 teams in each class) Regional: 4 teams in each regional on Thursday(down to 8 teams) State: 8 teams on Saturday at a central location This would be the easiest for travel and logistics to get done in a single week. With two or three classes you would most likely have to go Saturday to Saturday, which is basically two weeks. Three classes MAY work if you are like Ohio where teams can elect to enter the tournament or are not allowed if they don't have X amount of wrestlers. ekocottonball and IU89 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestling Scholar Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 We need wrestle backs at State. Its a joke a guy has to win 8-9 matches to get to state. Then if he loses in the first round, he's done. Same can be said for semi-state. sudden death 7 and ekocottonball 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpt189 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 a wrestler can have a record of 5-6 from sectional through semistate and qualify for state. Unlikely , but possible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ekocottonball Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 The best case scenario would be a four class dual state series as we could get it done in a week. With 4 classes you would have about 78 teams per class. Sectional: 32 sectionals with 4-6 teams on Tuesday(down to 32 teams in each class) Regional: 4 teams in each regional on Thursday(down to 8 teams) State: 8 teams on Saturday at a central location This would be the easiest for travel and logistics to get done in a single week. With two or three classes you would most likely have to go Saturday to Saturday, which is basically two weeks. Three classes MAY work if you are like Ohio where teams can elect to enter the tournament or are not allowed if they don't have X amount of wrestlers. Wow. Never thought of this. Pretty dang good idea! I've had friends say if we ever get team state back with classes that ihsaa will make the individual series be three weekends instead of 4. Like eliminate semistate. Do most other states do their state tourney in three weeks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 In my dream world I'd make it a two class individual tournament which we could do in three weeks. Then we'd have an extra week at the beginning for team state series in four classes. In a two class system you would have: 1. 16 sectionals with 8-12 teams top four advance(we have 32 sectionals now, so no difference) 2. 4 regionals with 16 wrestlers each, where the top 4 advance to state 3. 16 in each bracket at state Obviously things like full wrestle-backs would be awesome too. And yes most state series are three weeks long. The lack of wrestle-backs and length of our state series makes it very interesting as we have all heard of someone getting hurt or sick one week and it affecting them significantly. ekocottonball 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casualwrestlingfan Posted December 14, 2015 Author Share Posted December 14, 2015 I think the last time I checked the Coaches tournament, they recognize 303 or so schools. Can anyone verify that? Following Adams Central as well as Bellmont and South Adams, I like having tournaments like the coaches but also liked the old team tournament. Ideally I'd like to see team duals both classed and one class. Same with individual tournaments. Keep the current and add a class individual tournament. Both with every step having wrestle backs all the way. You can get more schools and wrestlers involved but keep those classic Bellmont vs Yorktown matches with the old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sudden death 7 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 I would also want to start a freestyle/greco spring sport option Major Ursula and grecoref 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casualwrestlingfan Posted December 14, 2015 Author Share Posted December 14, 2015 I would also want to start a freestyle/greco spring sport option Definitely agree on that. I always bring up that we should create a 4th style called Combined Style that lasts 3 periods regardless of pin or tech fall in the first or second period. A period each of folkstyle, freestyle, and Greco-Roman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD92 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Definitely agree on that. I always bring up that we should create a 4th style called Combined Style that lasts 3 periods regardless of pin or tech fall in the first or second period. A period each of folkstyle, freestyle, and Greco-Roman. Because that wouldn't be confusing for most casual wrestling fans... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grecoref Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Because that wouldn't be confusing for most casual wrestling fans... Not to mention most referees. I'm not sure I would want to referee something like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sudden death 7 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Not a problem, make each period sudden victory. 1st takedown/back exposure/correct throw wins. King of the mat style. Keep it aggressive and easy to understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestling Scholar Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Definitely agree on that. I always bring up that we should create a 4th style called Combined Style that lasts 3 periods regardless of pin or tech fall in the first or second period. A period each of folkstyle, freestyle, and Greco-Roman. That would be great. Lets also add a 4th period of MMA while were at it. That would be interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sudden death 7 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Why not, I am in control. We could have the gladiators play chess between each style as well. Not So sure that the "timeout" generation would be okay with mma, have Tully seen the dodgeballs that our kids use these days? You needed to keep your head on a swivel back in the eighties, now it's a painted cotton ball. Ihsaa dodgeball has a better chance than freestyle and greco. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TripleB Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 we tried the 3 styles, 3 periods at Madison a few years back, called it the Gauntlet, didn't work very well in terms of interest. Had very few kids the first year and ended up cancelling it the 2nd year. tskin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casualwrestlingfan Posted December 14, 2015 Author Share Posted December 14, 2015 we tried the 3 styles, 3 periods at Madison a few years back, called it the Gauntlet, didn't work very well in terms of interest. Had very few kids the first year and ended up cancelling it the 2nd year. Do you think it would catch on if Freestyle and Greco-Roman were IHSAA or IHSWCA sponsored instead of AAU? Plus I think you'd have to modify some of the rules on the different styles as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIME Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Everyone gets a trophy. ( PC) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warsawwrestling Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 I would change from singlet's to fight shorts and tight short sleeve shirt. tskin, PreparetoWin and InTheCircle 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TripleB Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 I would change from singlet's to fight shorts and tight short sleeve shirt. Rumor has it, that change might be coming. warsawwrestling and PreparetoWin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maligned Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Rumor has it, that change might be coming. United World Wrestling had said they were going to change the type of uniforms for freestyle and greco for the Olympics, but have since postponed until after this Olympic cycle. I would imagine other wrestling institutions will go a similar route, too, in continuing efforts to modernize the sport and to make it more appealing to casual fans and to kids considering getting into the sport. wescraft and PreparetoWin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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