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The tournament is seeded after weigh-ins.  Given the travel distance for some teams, this was more ideal given that it is an eight team tournament with most kids having head to head already and avoids a seeding meeting on an alternate day.

I am personally selfish and miss the free meal I get attending the seeding meeting however!

This guy was not too bad either...might be a little bias.

3rd/2nd/SQ/4th

Thanks for the responses guys. Totally get the scheduling conflict. Hopefully in the future the IHSWCA and the IHSAA can figure out a way in the future to allow teams to accept invites without compromising their current scheduling points. 

49 minutes ago, maligned said:

Can someone who cares about CP wrestling please organize a group of influencers to convince their program to come show their talents at Team State once or twice during this upcoming run? It would be a real shame not to see fully where they stack up as a duals team while they have all this talent over the next number of years.

They went a couple years ago and pretty sure Lorek wants to accept any invitation they are given, but I am not sure if they made the vote in spot for the tournament since.

I don’t think we would have the venue we have if the IHSAA did not care about wrestling.  I am willing to bet that revenue wise, our State Tournament does pretty well for them in its current format.  I am sure it being picked up for a Live broadcast helps with revenue as well. 

There in lies the problem I feel. Their thought is probably, if it ain’t broke, pun intended, don’t fix it.

I do think it has been brought to light before that our coaches association sometimes struggles with getting the IHSAA to take them seriously with changes.  Maybe we have to think outside the box to get our changes made to our tournament. What that is I don’t know, but hopefully moving forward we can see some steps being taken in a positive direction.

I noticed earlier that qualification weight is not considered, so does that mean that a kid that qualified at an actual qualifier(North, South, or Indy) can wrestle a lower or higher weight class this weekend if so desires?

We have it pretty good, great support from our Admin.  Brownsburg has a brand new room that is pretty impressive!

I just love when @maligned gets to use the word crowdedness at this time of the year!

Always appreciative of the work you do, thank you. 

How would schools combining or dropping programs affect the numbers?

You should add another one for Semi-Finals on 2 or 4 mats.

I don't think the Big Ten Network is FREE...last time I checked you had to have the sports package to have it on Comcast.  Maybe other providers are different.

Definitely a good watch tonight though!

As stated above, I do believe the rule states that all corrections to match scores must be done prior to the start of the next match on that mat.  That is an unfortunate way to lose.  Official scorer and referee should have been a little better in realizing the situation, as well as the Coach. 

18 hours ago, Silvertone1696 said:

A few numbers to consider from the East Chicago Central sectional, which saw a ton of FFs.

Merrillville cruised to victory in racking up the highest team score state-wide, with 12 champions and then 2nd place for the two wrestlers that didn't win their weight class. Only complete line-up of the ten team field.

103 and 195 had just two wrestlers apeice for their classes.

Hammond Gavit brought 12 wrestlers and had a champion at 160 in Jaymeire Johnson. One wrestler appeared to not make weight in the 195 weight class however, which as said previously left that class with just two wrestlers.

Munster brought ten wrestlers, but I don't believe they have any kids ranked in SS...definitely a down year for the Mustangs but it should be noted the football team actually cancelled their JV season because of numbers. It appears to be a trying time in athletics for a proud school.

Hammond Morton usually brings in at least a couple hammers and Reese Rodriguez proved that correct as the senior won by MD over Pejovski of Merrillville @ 132 pounds. Morton brought 8 wrestlers.

Numbers for the other participants...

Hammond Clark - 8 wrestlers
Whiting - 6 
East Chicago - 4

Gary West Side, Hammond Bishop Noll, and Hammond High brought just 3 wrestlers apeice. 
 

There were 4 originally seeded at 195, I think one was scratched at weigh-ins and the other was DQd for Flagrant, that is why he was removed and all his points taken away.

I can see this Sectional being mixed up in the future. There are rumors of the School City of Hammond downsizing to only 2 High Schools instead of the current 4. Bishop Noll was supposed to be JV only this year, with the low participation numbers, I am not too sure how much longer they will remain a program.  Jamal Lawrence is coaching at West Side, so it will be exciting to see if he can revive the program. I know I have already seen him around the youth tournaments.  Removing Lake Central from this Sectional really hurt the depth as they would always bring a full team.  This Sectional has never been one of the stronger ones, but it always has produced some solid individuals and most teams would bring close to full line-ups.  This was the first time that I can remember that we did not have at least one weight class with a first round match. Lowest number of participants I have seen in my time with this Sectional, hopefully in the next couple years we can get the participation up to what it once used to be.

9 hours ago, base said:

I’m not a coach just a fan, so not much I can do other than point it out each year.

i think it would be fair in those sectionals with 10-11 teams to seed the top 5 or 6 then place the remainder of lower seeds in pigtail matches against each other

The Top 6 are seeded at Sectionals.  Then the next two available wrestlers are drawn into what would essentially be the #7 and #8 seed.  The remaining wrestlers are distributed evenly to keep the bracket balanced and to assure that everyone has a chance to score in the first round.  Of course this was the pre non scoring first round days that this was put into place.  With the first round not being scored, there is some sense to placing the remaining unseeded wrestlers against each other in the pig tail matches.  The reasoning behind a full wrestle back though I would imagine would be the risk of someone having more than 6 matches in one day.  This is not perfect system in place now, but I do believe it works in the vast majority of Sectionals.  If the brackets were not balanced, then there may have been an error in how they were drawn and should be corrected before Saturday.

Geez, I wish indianamat would get on board create a section where we could see everyone's schedule for the year, i mean the results section is ok, minus the "NO DETAILS" ones or maybe the state could provide everyone, for free, with a trackwrestling account to list all of their schedules, rosters, and post their results as well.

I guess so.

On 10/30/2018 at 10:56 AM, Mattyb said:

Do you want the coaches to sit there and watch each kid eat each bite of food? 

There is clearly a system in place. Is it a perfect system? No... there is no perfect system. 

The kids know the system. Some kids choose to pack on weight between matches or weigh ins. They then choose to “kill” themselves to get down to weight before the next Weigh-in. They work the system. 

Im sure that 99 percent of coaches follow the rules and guidelines as best as they can.

Lets stop blaming coaches. I would say if something “unhealthy” is going on the parents and mostly the kid (yes the kid) is to blame. You gotta figure that most high school varsity wrestlers are a year or two from being out on their own. They need to make better live choices.

Just curious Jenny... what did you see that was so out of line, that it prompted you to make a profile and post on this topic? Lots of times I see post like this when parents finds out that a better wrestler decides to go down to their kid’s weight class and takes the spot. 

Do you guys weigh your kids every day? Just curious, if you see a kid working the system, do you feel it is the responsibility of the Coach to intervene?

Everyone is inevitably going to make some type of weight cut in this sport, however I do agree with you Jenny that the extreme cut from kids should be stopped. Most of those guys that are cutting that much weight are probably still a top tier kid in either weight class.  So why go thru the misery, and it is misery, of cutting all that weight.  I can tell you from my personal experience, experience with other athletes, and with my own son, that my preference is going to be wrestle up the weight class.  Feel good at practice all 5 days.  Optimize that training time and let the weight come off progressively. Of course as mentioned here too, hit that weight room, because there is nothing that replaces strength at any level.  I also disagree that there is no pressure from coaches and parents for most kids to make the cut and the decision is solely theirs.  Maybe they are not aggressively telling them to make the cut, but not advising them otherwise when we know their decision make that cut, is a poor one, is just as bad.  As Coaches it is just as much our responsibility to correct these bad decisions as it is to correct their wrestling technique.

So are we using an * for these?

I have seen it once before...

Those scores are for 2017-2018 Tournament, in which Cathedral chose not to attend after being snubbed for the 2016-2017 Tournament in the year they finished 3rd at the actual State Tournament.

7 hours ago, ontherise219 said:

The officials did a great job. 2 of the best in Indiana. 

It's a shame though only one of them is State "Eligible".  

Oh, and an absolute fantastic job by Joe Caprino and everyone involved in putting this event together.  

10 hours ago, regionfather10 said:

Listening to the mat 2 announcer is like listening to my drunk uncle get everyone's name wrong....Irritating!!

At least he was talking on Mat 2, some of the other mats have been brutal!

How about Most Correct Champs as a tie breaker before the Team Champs and Score?

125 Lee 1

133 Micic 2

141 Lee 3

149 Retherford 10

157 Nolf 5

165 Martinez 8

174 Hall 7

184 Nickal 6

197 Moore 4

285 Snyder 9

Penn State with 151pts

4 hours ago, Y2CJ41 said:

The Illinois state tournament has three separate broadcasts, one for each class. I'm surprised Iowa doesn't have a broadcast like that.

I do believe these are taped and played later, each separately.  Looks like Iowa does a live broadcast of the finals.  Best way they can show them all at the same time I imagine.  On a side note, if they just went to ONE class, this would not be an issue, maybe they should just work harder at their broadcast.

My hats off to this stud.  Showed tremendous grit suiting up and wrestling through his injury.  Looking forward to following the next few years!