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Crowd was booing because they showed the replay & it sure looked intentional. Brewer ducked & the crown of his head went directly into his opponent's face with a lot of force. The ref immediately awarded 1 penalty point & I don't recall much of an argument from his coaches.

Hypothetical situation: Team A with 1 wrestler who wins by PIN in the Qtrs, loses in Semis & then wins by PIN in 3rd place match would finish with 15 points. 9 Pts for 3rd place + 2 Advancement Pts on Sat a.m. + 4 Bonus Pts for the 2 pins = 15. Team B brings all 14 wrestlers to State & they all win by PIN on Friday night. But then they all lose in the Qtrs, Consolation Round, & 7th-8th place match. Each earns 1 Pt for 8th place = 14. Team A (15 pts) is clearly better than Team B (14 pts), right?

I have been wondering same thing, SWINfan. Sure seems like they changed it up AGAIN & decided that Friday night winners do not get 2 Advancement Points either. Makes no sense to me. The State Finals competition started on Friday night but the IHSAA doesn't seem to acknowledge that. If 2 teams (under this jacked-up scoring system) finish tied at the top but Team A had more wrestlers win than Team B on Friday, Team A is the better team. Seems like common sense to everyone except the people making these silly decisions which determine a state champion.

Did they really change the Team Scoring AGAIN? Last year, each Friday night winner got 2 Advancement Points + 1 Point for clinching 8th place. That's how Base summarized the scoring at the start of this thread. If this is true, why is the IHSAA continually making Team Scoring as silly as possible & WHY WOULD THE COACHES GIVE THEIR APPROVAL TO ANY OF THIS??? There are no Forfeits & no weak wrestlers at the State Finals. All Advancement Points & Bonus Points are hard earned in all 4 rounds & should count. Why don't the Coaches demand full Team Scoring at the State level?

Did they announce Team Scores at end of session? If so, did they count the 2-point Advancement or is Trackwrestling correct?

Trackwrestling is only giving 1 Team Point to winners so far. I thought tonight's winners all got 1 pt for 8th + 2 Advancement Points. Did they double down & screw up the team scoring even more by removing Friday night Adv Pts too?

It was my first time at New Castle. Didn't hear them give an attendance figure. I was impressed by the crowd size for the 1st 2 rounds. Got pretty empty in there at the end of the day.

I haven't been to the finals since it was at Market Square Arena. How packed does it get at BLF? Do you have to get there super early on Sat morning to grab a couple seats in club level?

This thread could have been about me. Lol. Somehow I found myself surrounded by very supportive Carmel moms during the 1st 2 rounds. But I kept my mouth shut while silently rooted for their opponents to prevail.

Both Roncalli & Cathedral have legit chances to win it all with 5 great wrestlers each. When Roncalli's Mahan @170 found himself on his back early in the Quarterfinals against Kendrex of Mt Vernon, I said "That kid better pin him now while he's got the chance." But Mahan avoided the pin & then fought back from that 5-0 deficit to take the lead before ending it on a late pin. Then he won his final 2 matches by 1st round pin. If Kendrex had put him away, Mahan's season would have ended along with 0 team points. Instead, Mahan earned the maximum 24 team points to lead Roncalli to a slim 6.5pt victory over Cathedral.

Thank you-- not sure how I missed those. So that means wrestlers from both Warren & Cathedral cannot advance to BLF in those 7 weight classes.

Decided to look at the "formula" pairings for the Perry Meridian #11 Regional. They are paired up with the No Montgomery #9 Regional in 6 classes (113, 120, 132, 170, 195, 285), the Pendleton Hts #10 Regional in 4 classes (106, 138, 160, 220) & the Richmond #12 Regional in 4 classes (126, 145, 152, 182). That means that a top-notch program coming out of Perry (Warren Central-- Regional Champs) could square off in no more than 4 weight classes against the best team in the Pendleton Hts Regional (top ranked Cathedral-- Regional Champs). Guess what -- it is Warren vs Cathedral in the 1st round at all 4 possible classes. (Mind blown!)😲 106 - WC 2nd Perry vs Cath 3rd Dickey 138 - WC 3rd Rowlett vs Cath 2nd Wilson 160 - WC 4th Taylor vs Cath 1st Slivka 220 WC 1st Mitchell vs Cath 4th Guhl We need a math genius to tell us what are the odds of that happening. (Plus, Bailey vs Beatty at 132 in likely in the Qtrfinals) To me, there are no shenanigans with the IHSAA "formulas" because there are just too many moving parts. The Semistate draws are based on where you placed in the Regional plus there is some luck thrown in there too. For example, Warren's Taylor lost at the buzzer in the 160 semis last Saturday. He was just a few seconds away from clinching 2nd place at worst. Instead, he dropped down to 4th & now must wrestle Slivka right away. It is just dumb/bad luck that Warren & Cathedral mirrored each other at all 4 of these weight classes.

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong but the "formula" is essentially a blind draw by the IHSAA. Essentially, they mix it up so that Regional 1 is paired up against Regionals 2, 3, 4 relatively evenly across the 14 brackets & so on. The Semistate brackets are determined before the Regionals are wrestled but those SS brackets are kept secret from the coaches. So you may look at the SS bracket & feel that your school got hosed. If that happens, it's just bad luck in reality. Maybe wrestler #1 is paired up with a stud from Regional 2, wrestler #2 has a ticket-round match with a monster from Regional 3, etc.

Gavin Rose was on the main floor at PM Regional between sessions with a big cast on his leg propped up in a wheelchair. Clearly, it was as bad as feared.

In my opinion, the regional / semistate / state sites with 4 mats should assign mats based on the bracket. Then if 1 mat finishes early while the others are 2 or 3 behind, then you move a few of the big boys' matches to that mat. It's probably easier for the wrestlers to know which mat they will be on & just focus on where they're at. Plus, parents can be prepared & don't have to scamper all over the gym to get a good view & take pics.