Beamaker Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 Just finished watching the California state finals matches. Some spectacular wrestling. I honestly believe Indiana’s state finalists would match up very well with California’s finalists this year. would love to see our 150 v. Ca 150. Jayruss, TeamGarcia and MUSKEEWRESTLER 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeamGarcia Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 4 hours ago, Beamaker said: Just finished watching the California state finals matches. Some spectacular wrestling. I honestly believe Indiana’s state finalists would match up very well with California’s finalists this year. would love to see our 150 v. Ca 150. It was the year of Upsets in CFI State Championships much like it was for Indiana . With 4 National Ranked wrestlers got upset in the Semi’s, which might be Cali record for heavy favorites to win their weight to lose . Love California wrestling, the depth every year is mecca of HS wrestling in the Country. I was telling a buddy of mine in California that goes to tournament every year on social media that’s it’s on my bucket list to go see. So to your point of matching up very well, I agree but I would give it to California depth and say Cali Top 3-4 would matchup very well with Indiana State Champions . No shade to Indiana State Champs by saying this . Would love to see this and pay the premium to watch . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeamGarcia Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 22 minutes ago, TeamGarcia said: It was the year of Upsets in CFI State Championships much like it was for Indiana . With 4 National Ranked wrestlers got upset in the Semi’s, which might be Cali record for heavy favorites to win their weight to lose . Love California wrestling, the depth every year is mecca of HS wrestling in the Country. I was telling a buddy of mine in California that goes to tournament every year on social media that’s it’s on my bucket list to go see. So to your point of matching up very well, I agree but I would give it to California depth and say Cali Top 3-4 would matchup very well with Indiana State Champions . No shade to Indiana State Champs by saying this . Would love to see this and pay the premium to watch . Since it won’t let edit , CIF TOP 6 and I might even go CIF TOP 7-8 at some weights . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maligned Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 1 hour ago, TeamGarcia said: Since it won’t let edit , CIF TOP 6 and I might even go CIF TOP 7-8 at some weights . Yes, their depth of talent is very, very high. They don't have the "per capita" talent that we do. We're more of a "wrestling state" in terms of how many kids we develop relative to our population--but California's population is so gigantic. They produce a LOT of good kids. Jayruss, SIACfan and Beamaker 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIACfan Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 California has a one class wrestling tournament - correct? Given the size of California, that has got to be one of the toughest State Titles to earn. Do you know the specifics about the tournament? Specifically, do they have wrestlebacks at all stages? MUSKEEWRESTLER 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIACfan Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 3 minutes ago, maligned said: Yes, their depth of talent is very, very high. They don't have the "per capita" talent that we do. We're more of a "wrestling state" in terms of how many kids we develop relative to our population--but California's population is so gigantic. They produce a LOT of good kids. I agree 100%. I have pointed this out many times over the years when people want to argue how good of a wrestling state California is. They are good, but it is more a product of how large their population is verses how good their wrestling truly is. Below is a list of 2023 NCAA DI qualifiers by state per 1 million in population with total qualifiers in parenthesis. 1. Iowa 5.0 qualifiers per 1 million in population (16 total qualifiers) 2. Pennsylvania 3.5 (46) 3. Oklahoma 3.2 (13) 4. Illinois 2.5 (32) 5. New Jersey 2.5 (23) 6. Minnesota 2.1 (12) 7. Ohio 1.9 (22) 8. Missouri 1.9 (12) 9. Michigan 1.6 (16) 10. Colorado 1.5 (9) 11. Indiana 1.0 (7) 12. New York 0.9 (18) 13. California 0.5 (18) 14. Florida 0.4 (9) As you can see in 2023 while California had 18 qualifiers verses Indiana's 7, Indiana did twice as good as California if you take into account population size. ILUV2PIN, Jayruss, Beamaker and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JORVILLE Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 (edited) 7 hours ago, Beamaker said: Just finished watching the California state finals matches. Some spectacular wrestling. I honestly believe Indiana’s state finalists would match up very well with California’s finalists this year. would love to see our 150 v. Ca 150. Well the kid who was ranked 5th at 150 in California. He is the Gilroy kid who teched/pinned Bo Bassett at Who’s Number 1. Most people said it was because how big he was but late in the season he dropped to 138 and ran through the bracket . Cali 150 Champ also was Super 32 finalist two years ago losing to Sergio Lemley in Championship . Edited February 29 by JORVILLE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestling Scholar Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 48 minutes ago, SIACfan said: I agree 100%. I have pointed this out many times over the years when people want to argue how good of a wrestling state California is. They are good, but it is more a product of how large their population is verses how good their wrestling truly is. Below is a list of 2023 NCAA DI qualifiers by state per 1 million in population with total qualifiers in parenthesis. 1. Iowa 5.0 qualifiers per 1 million in population (16 total qualifiers) 2. Pennsylvania 3.5 (46) 3. Oklahoma 3.2 (13) 4. Illinois 2.5 (32) 5. New Jersey 2.5 (23) 6. Minnesota 2.1 (12) 7. Ohio 1.9 (22) 8. Missouri 1.9 (12) 9. Michigan 1.6 (16) 10. Colorado 1.5 (9) 11. Indiana 1.0 (7) 12. New York 0.9 (18) 13. California 0.5 (18) 14. Florida 0.4 (9) As you can see in 2023 while California had 18 qualifiers verses Indiana's 7, Indiana did twice as good as California if you take into account population size. Well you can't blame them. What would you do, surf or wrestle? I would be surfing. Remeber, you "either surf of fight", and Indiana dont surf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugger44 Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 53 minutes ago, SIACfan said: I agree 100%. I have pointed this out many times over the years when people want to argue how good of a wrestling state California is. They are good, but it is more a product of how large their population is verses how good their wrestling truly is. Below is a list of 2023 NCAA DI qualifiers by state per 1 million in population with total qualifiers in parenthesis. 1. Iowa 5.0 qualifiers per 1 million in population (16 total qualifiers) 2. Pennsylvania 3.5 (46) 3. Oklahoma 3.2 (13) 4. Illinois 2.5 (32) 5. New Jersey 2.5 (23) 6. Minnesota 2.1 (12) 7. Ohio 1.9 (22) 8. Missouri 1.9 (12) 9. Michigan 1.6 (16) 10. Colorado 1.5 (9) 11. Indiana 1.0 (7) 12. New York 0.9 (18) 13. California 0.5 (18) 14. Florida 0.4 (9) As you can see in 2023 while California had 18 qualifiers verses Indiana's 7, Indiana did twice as good as California if you take into account population size. Do you know how many of the qualifiers from Illinois are from Indiana or trained up in the region? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestling Scholar Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 1 hour ago, SIACfan said: California has a one class wrestling tournament - correct? Given the size of California, that has got to be one of the toughest State Titles to earn. Do you know the specifics about the tournament? Specifically, do they have wrestlebacks at all stages? Yes, just like all other states, they use wrestlebacks to ensure proper placing and that the best guys get through, and not award lucky favorable draws. jwilly, Grenadier2012, HWTDAD and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beamaker Posted February 29 Author Share Posted February 29 5 hours ago, JORVILLE said: Well the kid who was ranked 5th at 150 in California. He is the Gilroy kid who teched/pinned Bo Bassett at Who’s Number 1. Most people said it was because how big he was but late in the season he dropped to 138 and ran through the bracket . Cali 150 Champ also was Super 32 finalist two years ago losing to Sergio Lemley in Championship . Great post! Makes me want to see the match even more! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beamaker Posted February 29 Author Share Posted February 29 8 hours ago, TeamGarcia said: It was the year of Upsets in CFI State Championships much like it was for Indiana . With 4 National Ranked wrestlers got upset in the Semi’s, which might be Cali record for heavy favorites to win their weight to lose . Love California wrestling, the depth every year is mecca of HS wrestling in the Country. I was telling a buddy of mine in California that goes to tournament every year on social media that’s it’s on my bucket list to go see. So to your point of matching up very well, I agree but I would give it to California depth and say Cali Top 3-4 would matchup very well with Indiana State Champions . No shade to Indiana State Champs by saying this . Would love to see this and pay the premium to watch . I agree on the depth and you can certainly tell the environment is electric! The caliber of wrestling was so solid. I hope I’m not being a homer, but I felt like many of IN finest would truly match up very well. I noticed very strong neutral games and the hip heist was utilized in several matches…effectively I might add. It was almost surreal seeing D. Cormier on the mat coaching one of his athletes to a title…in a super close match too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TysonNisley Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 Here's my predictions: 106: Henry Asilkyan dec. Peyton Schoettle (Asilkyan beat #18 Arseni Kikiniou in the finals 6-3) 113: #11 Revin Dickman dec. #17 Rocklin Zinkin 120: Ronnie Ramirez dec. Charlie Larocca (Ramirez, although UR, won a loaded bracket with the #7, #8, #14, and #15) 126: #17 Nikade Zinklin dec. Luke Rioux (Rioux did beat #13 Isaiah Schaefer in the finals, but has been not as consistent, and Zinklin won his bracket with the #6 in it, although they never met) 132: #18 Jake Hockaday dec. G. Elias Navida (#19 and #20 were both in the CA bracket but lost in the semis. Still think Hockaday wins) 138: #1 Daniel Zepeda dec. Kyrel Leavell (CA might hate, but Leavell is talented enough to keep it competitive) 144: Moses Mirabal dec. Easton Doster (Mirabal upset #8 in the country in the finals) 150: #1 Brock Mantanona dec. Wyatt Krejsa 157: #6 Grigor Cholakyan maj. Mitchell Betz (Cholakyan has been good for a while, despite Betz's success this season) 165: #8 Collin Guffey dec. Waylon Cressell (Cressell is probably a top 20 guy at this point but Guffey won a very deep CA bracket) 175: #14 Angelo Posada dec. Chase Leech 190: #11 Sonny Kling dec. Noah Weaver (Weaver could also upset here) 215: #7 Robert Platt dec. Will Clark (CA has some hammers, man) 285: #2 Cody Merrill wbf. Nate Johnson (don't mean to disrespect our big guy but Merrill could beat good college guys right now) Final Score: CA- 40 IN- 6 Sorry, Indiana, CA's state brackets are ridiculously tough. Cricket21, AndyStJ, MUSKEEWRESTLER and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcnorthcarolina Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 2 hours ago, TysonNisley said: Here's my predictions: 106: Henry Asilkyan dec. Peyton Schoettle (Asilkyan beat #18 Arseni Kikiniou in the finals 6-3) 113: #11 Revin Dickman dec. #17 Rocklin Zinkin 120: Ronnie Ramirez dec. Charlie Larocca (Ramirez, although UR, won a loaded bracket with the #7, #8, #14, and #15) 126: #17 Nikade Zinklin dec. Luke Rioux (Rioux did beat #13 Isaiah Schaefer in the finals, but has been not as consistent, and Zinklin won his bracket with the #6 in it, although they never met) 132: #18 Jake Hockaday dec. G. Elias Navida (#19 and #20 were both in the CA bracket but lost in the semis. Still think Hockaday wins) 138: #1 Daniel Zepeda dec. Kyrel Leavell (CA might hate, but Leavell is talented enough to keep it competitive) 144: Moses Mirabal dec. Easton Doster (Mirabal upset #8 in the country in the finals) 150: #1 Brock Mantanona dec. Wyatt Krejsa 157: #6 Grigor Cholakyan maj. Mitchell Betz (Cholakyan has been good for a while, despite Betz's success this season) 165: #8 Collin Guffey dec. Waylon Cressell (Cressell is probably a top 20 guy at this point but Guffey won a very deep CA bracket) 175: #14 Angelo Posada dec. Chase Leech 190: #11 Sonny Kling dec. Noah Weaver (Weaver could also upset here) 215: #7 Robert Platt dec. Will Clark (CA has some hammers, man) 285: #2 Cody Merrill wbf. Nate Johnson (don't mean to disrespect our big guy but Merrill could beat good college guys right now) Final Score: CA- 40 IN- 6 Sorry, Indiana, CA's state brackets are ridiculously tough. I enjoy your detailed write ups especially your opinions on how Waylon would do. I think you got one right about him. At least he's getting a little more clout now since he won a title in Indiana. He's just not some random "North Dakota" champ even though he spent most of his time there wrestling the #5 kid in the country and multiple ranked kids in Minnesota. Keep underestimating him it's working out perfectly so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeamGarcia Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 https://www.instagram.com/reel/C38OaYAOBvW/?igsh=MTVnNnAwcjBkc284ZA== Let me know if this link works, talking about 150lbs bracket at CIF State Championships. WOW ! horseofadifferentcolor, SIwrestling and ILUV2PIN 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIwrestling Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 41 minutes ago, TeamGarcia said: https://www.instagram.com/reel/C38OaYAOBvW/?igsh=MTVnNnAwcjBkc284ZA== Let me know if this link works, talking about 150lbs bracket at CIF State Championships. WOW ! My goodness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beamaker Posted March 1 Author Share Posted March 1 6 hours ago, TeamGarcia said: https://www.instagram.com/reel/C38OaYAOBvW/?igsh=MTVnNnAwcjBkc284ZA== Let me know if this link works, talking about 150lbs bracket at CIF State Championships. WOW ! Glorious! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueandgold Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 CA runs both the perfect state tournament and qualifiers in my opinion. I like the way the CIF has its league championships which help for seeding for its section championships, then its section masters, and finally their state championships. They have a 64-man bracket, seeding, wrestlebacks, and wrestle under the lights in sunny California. I’ve been to CA twice now and I hope to watch their state championships in the future. Justin Ratliff 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown Caller Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 On 2/29/2024 at 8:30 AM, SIACfan said: I agree 100%. I have pointed this out many times over the years when people want to argue how good of a wrestling state California is. They are good, but it is more a product of how large their population is verses how good their wrestling truly is. Below is a list of 2023 NCAA DI qualifiers by state per 1 million in population with total qualifiers in parenthesis. 1. Iowa 5.0 qualifiers per 1 million in population (16 total qualifiers) 2. Pennsylvania 3.5 (46) 3. Oklahoma 3.2 (13) 4. Illinois 2.5 (32) 5. New Jersey 2.5 (23) 6. Minnesota 2.1 (12) 7. Ohio 1.9 (22) 8. Missouri 1.9 (12) 9. Michigan 1.6 (16) 10. Colorado 1.5 (9) 11. Indiana 1.0 (7) 12. New York 0.9 (18) 13. California 0.5 (18) 14. Florida 0.4 (9) As you can see in 2023 while California had 18 qualifiers verses Indiana's 7, Indiana did twice as good as California if you take into account population size. What about for D2, D3, NAIA, and Juco? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown Caller Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 On 2/29/2024 at 5:23 PM, TysonNisley said: Here's my predictions: 106: Henry Asilkyan dec. Peyton Schoettle (Asilkyan beat #18 Arseni Kikiniou in the finals 6-3) 113: #11 Revin Dickman dec. #17 Rocklin Zinkin 120: Ronnie Ramirez dec. Charlie Larocca (Ramirez, although UR, won a loaded bracket with the #7, #8, #14, and #15) 126: #17 Nikade Zinklin dec. Luke Rioux (Rioux did beat #13 Isaiah Schaefer in the finals, but has been not as consistent, and Zinklin won his bracket with the #6 in it, although they never met) 132: #18 Jake Hockaday dec. G. Elias Navida (#19 and #20 were both in the CA bracket but lost in the semis. Still think Hockaday wins) 138: #1 Daniel Zepeda dec. Kyrel Leavell (CA might hate, but Leavell is talented enough to keep it competitive) 144: Moses Mirabal dec. Easton Doster (Mirabal upset #8 in the country in the finals) 150: #1 Brock Mantanona dec. Wyatt Krejsa 157: #6 Grigor Cholakyan maj. Mitchell Betz (Cholakyan has been good for a while, despite Betz's success this season) 165: #8 Collin Guffey dec. Waylon Cressell (Cressell is probably a top 20 guy at this point but Guffey won a very deep CA bracket) 175: #14 Angelo Posada dec. Chase Leech 190: #11 Sonny Kling dec. Noah Weaver (Weaver could also upset here) 215: #7 Robert Platt dec. Will Clark (CA has some hammers, man) 285: #2 Cody Merrill wbf. Nate Johnson (don't mean to disrespect our big guy but Merrill could beat good college guys right now) Final Score: CA- 40 IN- 6 Sorry, Indiana, CA's state brackets are ridiculously tough. There is gonna be a lot more bonus points for the Golden state imo...... TeamGarcia 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awill0352 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 Is California a single class tournament? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silence Dogood Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 19 minutes ago, awill0352 said: Is California a single class tournament? Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulldog89 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 11 hours ago, Silence Dogood said: Yes They have wrestle backs in Cali don't they?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIACfan Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 (edited) 22 hours ago, Bulldog89 said: They have wrestle backs in Cali don't they?? Quote Wrestling Scholar Posted On 2/29/2024 at 08:46 AM Yes, just like all other states, they use wrestlebacks to ensure proper placing and that the best guys get through, and not award lucky favorable draws. Edited March 5 by SIACfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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