ducktails Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Rugger44 said: I see that Floyd is ranked 2nd in 3A, and 6th in the power poll. On the gorilla radio show the other night it was discussed that they would most likely not get voted in because they lost to Cathedral. I always feel the rankers do a pretty good job but it seems messed up that the 2nd ranked team would not get the nod. So I ask, are the guys that do the rankings over estimating how good Floyd is, or is the voting committee underestimating how good they are? I hope the 12 team format will be used! Floyd is being underestimated. I believe, if I were a 3a coach, I would be on here saying anything I could to have them not added. Edited December 13, 2023 by ducktails cccoach, Starz1994 and Coplen187 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TripleB Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 1 hour ago, Rugger44 said: I see that Floyd is ranked 2nd in 3A, and 6th in the power poll. On the gorilla radio show the other night it was discussed that they would most likely not get voted in because they lost to Cathedral. I always feel the rankers do a pretty good job but it seems messed up that the 2nd ranked team would not get the nod. So I ask, are the guys that do the rankings over estimating how good Floyd is, or is the voting committee underestimating how good they are? I hope the 12 team format will be used! A banged up Floyd team lost to a full power Cathedral team A banged up Cathedral team lost to a full power Franklin team. So when the voters look most will just see Franklin over Cathedral and Cathedral over Floyd Also the power poll is based on individual rankings, not forecasting potential dual finishes. All of that being said #LetFloydIn Starz1994, Rugger44 and cccoach 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted December 13, 2023 Author Share Posted December 13, 2023 47 minutes ago, ducktails said: Floyd is being underestimated. I believe, if I were a 3a coach, I would be on here saying anything I could to have them not added. Sisson is horrible at jumping rope and a big meanie butt, don't let them in! MitchRobb 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluemonster Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 4 hours ago, TripleB said: A banged up Floyd team lost to a full power Cathedral team A banged up Cathedral team lost to a full power Franklin team. So when the voters look most will just see Franklin over Cathedral and Cathedral over Floyd Also the power poll is based on individual rankings, not forecasting potential dual finishes. All of that being said #LetFloydIn Cathedral hasn't had Hardin yet from football so they have not been full strength with anyone yet. #LetFCTontein ontherise219 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bsisson Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 (edited) 15 hours ago, Y2CJ41 said: Sisson is horrible at jumping rope and a big meanie butt, don't let them in! @Y2CJ41 well that wasn't very nice! I'm at least above average at jumping rope! In all seriousness I think the logical thing is to expand it to 12 teams. The 3a has proven to be the most unpredictable by the points with late additions such as ourselves and Columbus East having a lot of success. Edited December 14, 2023 by bsisson cccoach and Rugger44 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tonte Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 I would think Sisson is good at jumping rope. Just my guess. He is a pretty damn good coach I know that. And I would agree that expanding to 12 teams is logical. I mean, 5 of the top 8 teams in the rankings are not in the tournament. That makes it look not as desirable. On the other hand, I’m wondering where TripleB got his info. Cathedrals line up at Calumet would have resulted in the same score as their dual. And does tripleB have info I don’t about our own program, because against Cathedral we didn’t have 2 regional qualifiers in our line up who were 21-9 and 22-11 last year as well as a varsity wrestler who was 15-15 last year. Not sure if they make a difference or not but def not the full strength we had hoped for. I don’t know where we fit in. There are so many good teams but I do hope that people get their stats correct. I have been doing this a long time and very rarely have I had a team at full strength to where I anticipated it to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wesley Rorabacher Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 8 hours ago, Y2CJ41 said: There are two vote-in spots(currently) New Pal- beat former #1 Roncalli and beat Greenfield-Central Floyd Central- Beat Greenfield-Central, lost 45-25 to Cathedral Franklin- Lost to Cathedral 36-34, beat former #3 Mishawaka Greenfield-Central- Lost to Columbus East, Floyd Central, and New Palestine, beat Delta and Warren Central Hobart- Beat Plymouth Plymouth- Beat Mishawaka and McCutcheon Based on the common of Cathedral, it could be assumed Franklin is a little better than Floyd Central. The voting for 2 spots will possibly be very heated and full of a lot of debates. It probably doesn't help that some coaches are spamming those voters with the reason their team should be choosen. Mishawaka beat Plymouth 47-30 Coplen187 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gogoplata89 Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 Greenfield Central hasn’t wrestled a single dual with their full lineup yet. Being banged up is an unfortunate part of the sport we all have to deal with. Hopefully the powers that be let 12 in, and we all get healed up so we can scrap to our full potential. Coplen187 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timeinandout Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 (edited) Not many have a line-up 100%. Why do we always take that into account. You wrestle with the best you have available. Could you imagine if we did that with other sports? When someone loses its a loss and they drop in rankings. We shouldn't rank or seed teams for their potential line-up. Teams should be rewarded for having a solid replacement. Edited December 14, 2023 by Timeinandout TDOG40, Lawdiggity and Bulldog89 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 When will the decision be made to keep it as, or to let in more teams? Bulldog89 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulldog89 Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 44 minutes ago, Timeinandout said: Not many have a line-up 100%. Why do we always take that into account. You wrestle with the best you have available. Could you imagine if we did that with other sports? When someone loses its a loss and they drop in rankings. We shouldn't rank or seed teams for their potential line-up. Teams should be rewarded for having a solid replacement. Lawdiggity 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Sandefer Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 19 hours ago, Y2CJ41 said: There are two vote-in spots(currently) New Pal- beat former #1 Roncalli and beat Greenfield-Central Floyd Central- Beat Greenfield-Central, lost 45-25 to Cathedral Franklin- Lost to Cathedral 36-34, beat former #3 Mishawaka Greenfield-Central- Lost to Columbus East, Floyd Central, and New Palestine, beat Delta and Warren Central Hobart- Beat Plymouth Plymouth- Beat Mishawaka and McCutcheon Based on the common of Cathedral, it could be assumed Franklin is a little better than Floyd Central. The voting for 2 spots will possibly be very heated and full of a lot of debates. It probably doesn't help that some coaches are spamming those voters with the reason their team should be choosen. We beat Plymouth, but they have a solid team worth consideration!! Coplen187 and Y2CJ41 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TripleB Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 (edited) 11 hours ago, Coach Tonte said: I would think Sisson is good at jumping rope. Just my guess. He is a pretty damn good coach I know that. And I would agree that expanding to 12 teams is logical. I mean, 5 of the top 8 teams in the rankings are not in the tournament. That makes it look not as desirable. On the other hand, I’m wondering where TripleB got his info. Cathedrals line up at Calumet would have resulted in the same score as their dual. And does tripleB have info I don’t about our own program, because against Cathedral we didn’t have 2 regional qualifiers in our line up who were 21-9 and 22-11 last year as well as a varsity wrestler who was 15-15 last year. Not sure if they make a difference or not but def not the full strength we had hoped for. I don’t know where we fit in. There are so many good teams but I do hope that people get their stats correct. I have been doing this a long time and very rarely have I had a team at full strength to where I anticipated it to be. I get all of my info from Indiana's wrestling leader - The Other Mat of Hoosiers. Edited December 14, 2023 by TripleB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted December 14, 2023 Author Share Posted December 14, 2023 5 minutes ago, Steven Sandefer said: We beat Plymouth, but they have a solid team worth consideration!! 3A is crazy... it's hard to keep up. Good luck to the committee. Steven Sandefer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tonte Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 All good. I just wanted voters to know what the situation is. As several people said being at full strength is a rare occasion in our sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TripleB Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 Good luck coach, best answer is to expand to 12. It's gotta be hard to keep the #2 team out Or the team that beat the team that beat the #2 team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formercollegekid Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 1 hour ago, Timeinandout said: Not many have a line-up 100%. Why do we always take that into account. You wrestle with the best you have available. Could you imagine if we did that with other sports? When someone loses its a loss and they drop in rankings. We shouldn't rank or seed teams for their potential line-up. Teams should be rewarded for having a solid replacement. Totally agree, the strength of a team is the sum of all parts not just the superstars. FSU got hosed they should be in the college football playoffs........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TripleB Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 East got dinged last year for a stomach bug that ran through the team and kept starters out vs. Greenfield Central and look what happened. So the message I'm hearing is if you don't have your guns, just skip the day and don't put a team on the mat? brickfor6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted December 14, 2023 Author Share Posted December 14, 2023 8 minutes ago, TripleB said: East got dinged last year for a stomach bug that ran through the team and kept starters out vs. Greenfield Central and look what happened. So the message I'm hearing is if you don't have your guns, just skip the day and don't put a team on the mat? I think you meant to post on this topic TripleB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyStJ Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 3 hours ago, Timeinandout said: Not many have a line-up 100%. Why do we always take that into account. You wrestle with the best you have available. Could you imagine if we did that with other sports? When someone loses its a loss and they drop in rankings. We shouldn't rank or seed teams for their potential line-up. Teams should be rewarded for having a solid replacement. FSU Football agrees with you. formercollegekid 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulldog89 Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 9 minutes ago, AndyStJ said: FSU Football agrees with you. I think that is called getting "Seminoled" formercollegekid 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted December 15, 2023 Author Share Posted December 15, 2023 Per the sources within the IHSWCA it has officially been approved to have 12 teams in the 3A division at team state. brickfor6, Bulldog89, Coplen187 and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabe Cook Posted December 15, 2023 Share Posted December 15, 2023 Is this a permanent change to the 3A tournament? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenHeavyHandz Posted December 15, 2023 Share Posted December 15, 2023 Panther's over the Bulldogs missing four of our starters. Snider magic stills exist. Everyone talking down on the Panther's: wait your turn. I can't even count the upsets. Caleb get your eraser out. Keep snoozing. Next stop: The Henry Wilk. By the way: Dodson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugger44 Posted December 15, 2023 Share Posted December 15, 2023 11 hours ago, Y2CJ41 said: Per the sources within the IHSWCA it has officially been approved to have 12 teams in the 3A division at team state. This is the best solution to the 3A fiasco! Great job to the men and women that got this done! Coplen187 and Bulldog89 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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