Rules Survey

[nkraus]

Has anybody received this yet?

[Coach Mikesell]

No 

[aoberlin]

I received this yesterday. But no survey. Figured they didn't really want my opinion.

 

By now you should have received a notice from the NFHS regarding the 2024 Rules Survey. Please complete the survey within the allotted time period. Thank you.

[Y2CJ41]

When you get it tell us what they are surveying you upon.

[aoberlin]

1. Implementing a harsher penalty for unnecessary roughness.
2. Wrestlers being considered inbounds with one supporting point.
3. Specific measurement requirements for required girls uniforms.
4. Video replay in championship events.
5. Awarding three points for a takedown instead of two.
6. Awarding two points for near-fall after a two-second count, three points for a near-fall after a three-second count, four points for a near-fall after a four-second count.
7. Charging the wrestler with a loss when using a medical forfeit.
8. Requiring only one supporting point for wrestling to be considered inbounds.
9. Eliminating that knees be inside the boundary to earn a fall or near-fall with the defensive wrestler out of bounds.  
10. Allowing that the pinning area not be the “total” of supporting points when the defensive wrestler is on their back. 
11. Allowing a wrestler to touch the mat in front of the starting line in the neutral starting position.
12. Adding grasping of the ear guards or mat as a delayed call.
13. Adding head-butting to the list of illegal holds/maneuvers.
14. Expanding to include gouging or poking of the eyes to Rule 5-29-1 (Unnecessary Roughness)
15. Requiring at least one coach in the corner of a match.
16. Requiring mat-side weigh-ins. 
17. Mandating coaches’ attire at dual meets and tournaments – similar to other NFHS sports.

[Silence Dogood]

I feel like the one about the way the referee declares the winner was a game changer. 

[nkraus]

Just found it---search NFHS in your mailbox

[Y2CJ41]

Yes
2. Wrestlers being considered inbounds with one supporting point.
5. Awarding three points for a takedown instead of two.
6. Awarding two points for near-fall after a two-second count, three points for a near-fall after a three-second count, four points for a near-fall after a four-second count.
8. Requiring only one supporting point for wrestling to be considered inbounds.
9. Eliminating that knees be inside the boundary to earn a fall or near-fall with the defensive wrestler out of bounds.  
10. Allowing that the pinning area not be the “total” of supporting points when the defensive wrestler is on their back. 
12. Adding grasping of the ear guards or mat as a delayed call.
13. Adding head-butting to the list of illegal holds/maneuvers.
14. Expanding to include gouging or poking of the eyes to Rule 5-29-1 (Unnecessary Roughness)
 

No

1. Implementing a harsher penalty for unnecessary roughness.

*Not sure what more you need

16. Requiring mat-side weigh-ins. 
*Too many variables for it to be done properly

7. Charging the wrestler with a loss when using a medical forfeit.
3. Specific measurement requirements for required girls uniforms.

*Dumb, but will likely get passed

4. Video replay in championship events.
*Shouldn't be used in high school
 

Don't care

**Good luck** 17. Mandating coaches’ attire at dual meets and tournaments – similar to other NFHS sports.
15. Requiring at least one coach in the corner of a match.
11. Allowing a wrestler to touch the mat in front of the starting line in the neutral starting position.
 

[GrecoCoach]

10 minutes ago, Y2CJ41 said:

 

15. Requiring at least one coach in the corner of a match.

 

I'm imagining the realistic scenario of a JV tournament with 2 wrestlers from the same team facing each other, and no coaches in either corner or just 1 coach sitting quietly in one corner.  Many teams don't like coaching against their own wrestlers, so this happens quite a bit.

[MatTime]

1 hour ago, nkraus said:

Has anybody received this yet?

yes

[Trinedad]

1. Implementing a harsher penalty for unnecessary roughness.

NO TOO AMBIGOUS
2. Wrestlers being considered inbounds with one supporting point.

YES PLEASE
3. Specific measurement requirements for required girls uniforms.

THIS IS POINTLESS
4. Video replay in championship events.

I DONT MIND THIS, BUT IT WILL ADD TIME
5. Awarding three points for a takedown instead of two.

YES
6. Awarding two points for near-fall after a two-second count, three points for a near-fall after a three-second count, four points for a near-fall after a four-second count.

I DONT MIND THE WAY IT IS, CAN YOU IMAGINE THE YELLING OVER THE NUMBER OF SWIPES THE REF MAKES 
7. Charging the wrestler with a loss when using a medical forfeit.

I DO NOT KNOW WHY THIS IS AN ISSUE, SO I HAVE NO OPINION
8. Requiring only one supporting point for wrestling to be considered inbounds.

YES PLEASE
9. Eliminating that knees be inside the boundary to earn a fall or near-fall with the defensive wrestler out of bounds.  

YES PLEASE
10. Allowing that the pinning area not be the “total” of supporting points when the defensive wrestler is on their back. 

YES PLEASE
11. Allowing a wrestler to touch the mat in front of the starting line in the neutral starting position.

I DO NOT CARE
12. Adding grasping of the ear guards or mat as a delayed call.

THIS SOUNDS REASONABLE TO ME
13. Adding head-butting to the list of illegal holds/maneuvers.

YES
14. Expanding to include gouging or poking of the eyes to Rule 5-29-1 (Unnecessary Roughness)

YES
15. Requiring at least one coach in the corner of a match.

FOR A VARSITY MATCH SURE, BUT AN OPEN EVENT COULD BE ROUGH TO HAVE
16. Requiring mat-side weigh-ins. 

ON THE SURFACE I LIKE THE IDEA, BUT HOW TDO YOU MAKE SURE ALL SCALES ARE THE EXACT SAME
17. Mandating coaches’ attire at dual meets and tournaments – similar to other NFHS sports.

WOULD THIS PRECLUDE TONTE FROM WEARING A ZOOT SUIT?

[piscis1956]

15.  Requiring at least one coach in the corner of a match.

 

This might be tough for small schools with limited coaching staffs at big tournaments like Connersville during the wrestleback rounds.

[Patrick Mangan]

I got the email from Robert but not the survey. 

[Matt Time]

Our state has an unhealthy obsession with girls uniforms and undergarments. It's getting weird.

[Y2CJ41]

4 minutes ago, Matt Time said:

Our state has an unhealthy obsession with girls uniforms and undergarments. It's getting weird.

This is a NATIONAL survey.

[Galagore]

Big fan of the three point take down. Also like the 2, 3, 4 point near falls. Both have been fun to watch at the college level.

[Bag of Hammers]

Nothing on injury time?  

[ILUV2PIN]

4 POINT NEARFALL, PLEASE AND THANK YOU 

[Coach Brobst]

Still haven't received the survey, but some interesting topics here:

 

1) Do we really need 2,3, and 4 point nearfall? It's not that hard to turn at our level. I get why NCAA did it, but our athletes aren't quite as difficult. I wouldn't hate it and it fits with how we coach, but not sure it's necessary.

2) Mat side weigh-ins: I had a discussion with other coaches about this earlier this year. I'm not sure it's ever gonna be possible. In theory, it would be good and Would help curve athletes that want to cut a ton and force them into wrestling closer to natural weight HOWEVER, I don't think it gets passed because it would only take one kid to think dehydrating and getting down to weight to help the team is a good idea or gets pressured by a coach and then they pass out or have a serious health issue on the mat due to sucking weight for our sport to be cancelled forever.

Great idea in theory. Would be extremely challenging to ensure kids/coaches are being smart and could possibly damage the sports reputation in a very harmful way.

[Y2CJ41]

17 minutes ago, Coach Brobst said:

Still haven't received the survey, but some interesting topics here:

 

1) Do we really need 2,3, and 4 point nearfall? It's not that hard to turn at our level. I get why NCAA did it, but our athletes aren't quite as difficult. I wouldn't hate it and it fits with how we coach, but not sure it's necessary.

2) Mat side weigh-ins: I had a discussion with other coaches about this earlier this year. I'm not sure it's ever gonna be possible. In theory, it would be good and Would help curve athletes that want to cut a ton and force them into wrestling closer to natural weight HOWEVER, I don't think it gets passed because it would only take one kid to think dehydrating and getting down to weight to help the team is a good idea or gets pressured by a coach and then they pass out or have a serious health issue on the mat due to sucking weight for our sport to be cancelled forever.

Great idea in theory. Would be extremely challenging to ensure kids/coaches are being smart and could possibly damage the sports reputation in a very harmful way.

I love the idea of mat-side weigh-ins, but have never seen any implementation strategies that make it feasible. I can't imagine running around all day making sure 20 kids are on weight for five rounds. That would be utterly insane to have a kid weigh-in five times in one day and keep that close of tabs on his weight for 10+ hours.

[hogleg]

I wish we could get the audible count for stalling for not making mat returns.  

Edited February 24 by hogleg

[1prouddad]

On 2/22/2024 at 2:15 PM, Y2CJ41 said:

Yes
2. Wrestlers being considered inbounds with one supporting point.
5. Awarding three points for a takedown instead of two.
6. Awarding two points for near-fall after a two-second count, three points for a near-fall after a three-second count, four points for a near-fall after a four-second count.
8. Requiring only one supporting point for wrestling to be considered inbounds.
9. Eliminating that knees be inside the boundary to earn a fall or near-fall with the defensive wrestler out of bounds.  
10. Allowing that the pinning area not be the “total” of supporting points when the defensive wrestler is on their back. 
12. Adding grasping of the ear guards or mat as a delayed call.
13. Adding head-butting to the list of illegal holds/maneuvers.
14. Expanding to include gouging or poking of the eyes to Rule 5-29-1 (Unnecessary Roughness)
 

No

1. Implementing a harsher penalty for unnecessary roughness.

*Not sure what more you need

16. Requiring mat-side weigh-ins. 
*Too many variables for it to be done properly

7. Charging the wrestler with a loss when using a medical forfeit.
3. Specific measurement requirements for required girls uniforms.

*Dumb, but will likely get passed

4. Video replay in championship events.
*Shouldn't be used in high school
 

Don't care

**Good luck** 17. Mandating coaches’ attire at dual meets and tournaments – similar to other NFHS sports.
15. Requiring at least one coach in the corner of a match.
11. Allowing a wrestler to touch the mat in front of the starting line in the neutral starting position.
 

No on 4? 

 

Just this year was a controversial call that cost a top 3 wrestler a chance to advance. I say, go to video and make right call. 

[Matt Time]

If you can't find the email from NFHS with the survey, you can find it online here.

 

https://www.nfhs.org/sports-resource-content/nfhs-sport-questionnaires

[AC Computer]

I think that if the takedown is changed to 3 points and they implement the 2-3-4 nearfall points the total needed for a tech fail should increase to 18-20. You could see a lot of wrestlers going for the quick tech fail, but the goal should still be getting a fall.