oldandbroke Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 Using the newest enrollment numbers and this years tourney results. Class 3A 2A 1A # schools with at least one SQ 62 36 19 State qualifiers 141 62 21 Champs 13 1 0 2nd 11 2 1 3rd 8 6 0 4th 9 3 2 5th 10 4 0 6th 10 3 1 7th 11 3 0 8th 12 1 1 total medals 84 23 5 About 75% of State placers were from 3A, 20.5% from 2A, 4.5% from 1A. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetwrestling Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 Adams County has 2 of the 5 medals earned in by 1A schools, both were in the top 4. Great job Sawyer and Kaine. bog190, Cauliflower Ear, bwoodjc89 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 And before someone asks... Student percentages 1A- 12.9% 2A- 24.4% 3A- 62.6% Placer Percentage 1A- 4.5% 2A- 20.5% 3A- 75% Qualifier percentage 1A- 9.4% 2A- 27.6% 3A- 62.9% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldandbroke Posted February 27, 2015 Author Share Posted February 27, 2015 But if we split the wrestlers evenly by class at 101 per class per weight as we have, then there shouldn't be that large of a variance. Since the argument has always been that regardless of school size every wrestler has the same chance. If you break down each weight class by enrollment class using the number of state qualifiers you really see that the chances of a kid from a little school being a state placer let alone a state champion are slim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 But if we split the wrestlers evenly by class at 101 per class per weight as we have, then there shouldn't be that large of a variance. Since the argument has always been that regardless of school size every wrestler has the same chance. If you break down each weight class by enrollment class using the number of state qualifiers you really see that the chances of a kid from a little school being a state placer let alone a state champion are slim. The small school kids just don't work hard, that has to be it. #BigSchoolsRule #DownWithSmallSchools randalllynch and rdrodd1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki27 Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 I bet there are a number of JV kids at these big schools that may be willing to trade places with these varsity small school kids. rdrodd1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fearless fly Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 looks about where it should be but why the 3 classess...is not the argument for 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 looks about where it should be but why the 3 classess...is not the argument for 2The three class breakdown shows the immense difference. A +13% or -8 % is really where you think things "should" be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fearless fly Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 so, are promoting the 3 class system over the 2 ? why not split this into 10 classess and that would make your argument ironclad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrecoCoach Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 Things are where they should be. You want to compare a big school JV guy who has wrestled for a few years vs a small school varsity guy wrestling his first year to fill a spot? Big schools are set up to have more qualifiers because they have more guys and more experience to pull from. These stats are what they should be. I'm for class wrestling not because these stats should be equal but because these stats show it is unfair. randalllynch, stateorbust, rdrodd1 and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 Two classes you know this Showing three classes shows how much the bottom 100 teams are struggling. Wait you think they are doing great...forgot about that. Obviously you can't even see that the top 100 schools get more state placers than the other 200 get state qualifiers, but in your fantasy world that is fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fearless fly Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 Two classes you know this Showing three classes shows how much the bottom 100 teams are struggling. Wait you think they are doing great...forgot about that. Obviously you can't even see that the top 100 schools get more state placers than the other 200 get state qualifiers, but in your fantasy world that is fine. i was really questioning this especially since there where 3 wrestler of the year awards, 1 for each of 3 individual classes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 Because I want to give out more awards and give some more deserving kids recognition. I understand it waters everything down, but I really don't care. RAJR and infowrestling 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fearless fly Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 no....because you present evidence for 3 classes but argue for 2, do you not see how ludicris that is ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 I guess in your mind then this shows absolutely nothing. Amazing, just don't read it then, since in your mind these numbers are fruitless. They show how everyone is equal and how "it should be." Go big schools, beat up on the small schools! bog190 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 Here is more information for you even though it will prove NOTHING because you can't fathom bigger schools having any advantages Qualifiers 1A 43 or 19.2% 2A 181 or 80.8% Placers 1A 13 or 11.6% 2A 99 or 88.4% Student population % 1A 23% 2A 77% bog190 and RAJR 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clint Gard Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 (edited) I don't usually get into many discussions on here, especially about class wrestling. I just feel like we are too divided and no matter how I express my point, I'm never going to convince those that believe "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". I for one love our individual state finals and I really enjoyed our experience at team state this year. But...our individual finals is broken. When you have the disparity we have in SQ and place winners that we have, something is wrong. I'll give you an example that is not wrestling related. My daughter qualified with her 200 relay team for the swim state finals this year. She's a fine swimmer and works her tail off, so did her teammates! They were seeded 32 and finished 29th. Rochester was the smallest school represented at state in ANY events! Twin Lakes was the second smallest. Everyone one else were 4A and 5A schools. If it was classed my daughter and her team would have been state champs in the 200 free relay. No other times from small schools were even close. They, our school, and her mom and I would have been just fine with that because they put in the work to be that good. The issue is we don't have the same resources that the Carmels, Penns, etc have. We just don't. That's not a matter of opinion...its a fact because I live it. We provide her with every opportunity we can but we can't provide her with what the Carmel Swim club can provide its' kids. If you think sports like wrestling and swimming shouldn't be classed, then you just dont get it or you don't care to. Tomorrow Rochester will play Tippy Valley for the class 2A semi state bball title and I'll bet anyone we have more fans in attendance for the little ole 2A game then you will for any other game in the state. Over 5,000 tickets have been pre sold and they are not sure there will be enough parking at Warsaw HS (5A) school. Class all sports, give the small schools a chance to build their brand, and I think you'll see some great stuff happen in Indiana Wrestling. As an association we can get this done if we get on the same page!! Edited February 28, 2015 by Clint Gard bog190, Major Ursula, bell103 and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 Weren't you at some class wrestling event today? Did the kids celebrate any less? Were there fans in attendance? Did anyone throw their tarnished class medals away? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clint Gard Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 Lol...still am. 2 day event. Started at 10am this morning. The team race is tight. Kids, coaches, and teams are fighting for everything. Great celebrations, disappointing heartbreak...the whole thing you'd expect from a great wrestling event. Guys I'm telling you right now, that Rocky Burkett and the Aberdeen Central Eagles don't give two craps that this is a classed event. They want to win their 2nd state title! Its a great venue. Very similar to bankers life...I'm enjoying life in a suite as I type this. Fans are great and into following their teams. norm, bog190, Y2CJ41 and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarlHungus Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 I'll add to the whining by telling another story. Last spring I coached a girls 4x100 meter relay team that finished 19th in the state out of 27. Our time was the fastest in the history of the state for a school under 500 students from the research that I have done. I know its crazy to think that those 4 girls deserve a little more recognition than to say they got 19th out of 27. Track, much like swimming and wrestling is not in a healthy condition at smaller schools. Major Ursula and RAJR 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galagore Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 I'll add to the whining by telling another story. Last spring I coached a girls 4x100 meter relay team that finished 19th in the state out of 27. Our time was the fastest in the history of the state for a school under 500 students from the research that I have done. I know its crazy to think that those 4 girls deserve a little more recognition than to say they got 19th out of 27. Track, much like swimming and wrestling is not in a healthy condition at smaller schools. Beat me to it. Had just put down my piece of pizza to type the same thing. And that's to say nothing of the girls' individual efforts..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fearless fly Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 Here is more information for you even though it will prove NOTHING because you can't fathom bigger schools having any advantages Qualifiers 1A 43 or 19.2% 2A 181 or 80.8% Placers 1A 13 or 11.6% 2A 99 or 88.4% Student population % 1A 23% 2A 77% thank you ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Professor Morgan Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 Does this teach as valuable real life lessons? Does the small company get the sales contract just because they are small and work hard? Sorry, I just hate seeing the everyone gets a trophy being discussed about the best state tournament in Indiana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldandbroke Posted February 28, 2015 Author Share Posted February 28, 2015 But if you look at the statistics you aren't really getting much of a contribution from the small schools anyway. So would it really take away from your tournament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 Does this teach as valuable real life lessons? Does the small company get the sales contract just because they are small and work hard? Sorry, I just hate seeing the everyone gets a trophy being discussed about the best state tournament in Indiana.Small companies and big companies have different rules to play by, different tax brackets, different laws they have to follow. The real world is classed whether you want to face the reality or not. Galagore 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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