ENoblewrestling Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 It's pretty obvious that over the last 20 years the best program in the state has ben Mater Dei, so it doesn't make for a good discussion, but who is the next best does. So who do you think? Also let me know if you think that somebody else should have been on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STARSMAN Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 i think LN has been solid year in and year out for the past 20 years. Sure now there are some programs that are ascending to the top here in the past few years but it has to be LN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin2win1 Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 man tough decision..... i can't even figure it out.... If i go with my biased heart it is the cavemen... but here is what they have done in the last 20 years not including this year.... 2 time state champs (1991 and 2008), 2 time runner ups 10 straight team State apperances, 10 straight NIC conference championships (i think they have won about 16 or 17 overall), 9 straight sectional (15 overall), regional (15 overall), semistate championships (11 overall) and 12 individual state championships between 8 wrestlers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smooth34 Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 I voted for Bellmont. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin2win1 Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Starsman, do you have a list of accomplishments that LN has over the last 20 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin2win1 Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 i'd say Belmont and Mishawaka are pretty close... the only difference between them, in my opinion, is that Belmont was at their best in the mid to late nineties and Mishawaka is at their best currently. As a result the people who vote Mishawaka over Belmont probally are doing so because Mishawaka's best years are more current. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dingo Brigade Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 I'd go with LN, as they were the only team to knock off EMD during that historic run, plus they were dominant in all four title years. All told, they won the title 4 times in the past 20 years, and were runners up twice as well. Mishawaka has 2 titles and 2 runner-up finishes during the same span. Bellmont has 1 title and 3 runner-up finishes (once was a tie for 2nd). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrestlinggods Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 LN - Last 20 years 4 X Team State champions 2 X Runner Up 3X Team State Final Four at least 15 Individual State Champions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin2win1 Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 ok here is a similar list of LN accomplishments that I gave for mishawaka 15 sectional titles, 11 regional titles, 9 semi state titles, 6 team state apperances, 2 state runner ups, 4 state titles and I believe 16 state championships between 11 wrestlers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. RIght Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 I'm not saying they were the best the past 20 years but Portage had a pretty good run Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Guru Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 LN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midget5589 Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 i agree with the guy two posts above about portage, they should be in the poll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndianaMudflap Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 yea i agree, portage should have been mentioned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki27 Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 They may be down as of late but I recall seeing Franklin at team state year in year out. I don't have the stats I just recall them always being there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justadadnow Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Wasn't it Portage who knocked off EMD before losing to LN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6minutes Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Portage does need to be on that list, but the vote has to be for LN, they have been consistently great and have all the awards to back it up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlevito Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Bellmont...1987-2008 Conference Championships: 21 Sectional Championships: 20 Regional Championships: 18 Semi-State Championships: 16 State Finalists: 5 State Final Four: 5 State Runners-Up: 3 State Championships: 3 104 State Streeters which includes 8 State Champions, 7 State Runners-Up, 12 Thirds, 14 Fourths, 5 Fifths, 10 Sixths, 10 Sevenths, and 1 Eighth Also from the 1988-89 season through the 2007-08 season...Bellmont's Dual record was 445-39-2 (91.9% winning percentage) 11 of the losses were from 1988-1990 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin2win1 Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 After thinking about it i will tell you the 2nd, 3rd and 4th best in my opinion 2nd Best.... Belmont 3rd Best.... Mishawaka 4th Best.... LN Although this could change come this year with Mishawaka taking the 2nd spot. However, I think Belmont and Mishawaka have had the team year in and year out as they seem to have made the team state much more often than LN.... LN has more championships but then on the non championship years are down some, whereas Mishawaka and Belmont are almost always state caliber teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lefthanded Headlock Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 After thinking about it i will tell you the 2nd, 3rd and 4th best in my opinion 2nd Best.... Belmont 3rd Best.... Mishawaka 4th Best.... LN Although this could change come this year with Mishawaka taking the 2nd spot. However, I think Belmont and Mishawaka have had the team year in and year out as they seem to have made the team state much more often than LN.... LN has more championships but then on the non championship years are down some, whereas Mishawaka and Belmont are almost always state caliber teams. It's true that LN has less team state appearances, but they also had a much more difficult road. At team regionals they had beech grove (which has fallen of as of late, but was extremely good up until about 6 yrs ago) and Cathedral. At semi-state was Carmel. For the record, I voted for Portage. It's true that LN has less team state appearances, but they also had a much more difficult road. At team regionals they had beech grove (which has fallen of as of late, but was extremely good up until about 6 yrs ago) and Cathedral. At semi-state was Carmel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcatcountry97 Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 The stats are good, keep those comming. That is the best way to look at it. Appearing at Team State is weak evidence because that is not a good indication of a team, as weak teams often get in from a weak portion of the bracket as Franklin did in the 2000's and as Avon did recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighC Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 What a great poll!!!! I need more stats though. What's the skinny on individual SQs and placewinners at LN? I'm sure they are impressive too. They were my first pick when I saw the topic. I'm votin for LN. Bellmonts numbers are also WAY up there. I wouldn't think the other teams on the list would be able to come close to those two but I'd like to see em. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcatcountry97 Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 Can someone make a list of the # of State Qualifiers from each of those programs over the last 20 years, or another team if applicable, so that we can compare a little more clearly! (i promise i wont make fun of you for having so much free time on your hands!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin2win1 Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 well going by the easy draw theory.... then it does not really matter what a team does at teams state unless they win cause teams could get an easy first and second round draw at team state, while others might get a draw against the best team or two in their first round.... point is, i don't think that Mishawaka or Belmont ever made state because they were only decent teams who had an easy draw. Normally in the past 10 years of so (excluding LN's 2 championship years) i think mishawaka and belmont had the better teams, but that is just my opinion. Also throw in the fact that Mishawaka has 3 coach's trophies in the mix too with all those stats..... I do not know what the other schools have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlevito Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 Bellmont has two L's people...sorry drives me crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin2win1 Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 sorry littlevito, I always get the spelling of the HS and the college mixed up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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