Breaking News!!!!!!!!

[crosstownrivals]

Jimtown, Bremen, and John Glenn have asked for their release from the NIC starting in the 24-25 school year. The NIC is really going downhill now. 

[rookie78]

TRC (Tippy Valley) and HNAC (Laville and Knox) losing a couple also.

[crosstownrivals]

Im going to guess that those three schools will be joining forces with Bremen, Jimtown and Johhn Glenn. Also heard some rumblings that Triton, Wawasee, and Rochester may be joong those 6 also (Just rumors) at this point. 

[AJ]

North Central Conference is looking like it will be losing some teams as well.  Heard Harrison and McCutcheon may be leaving.

[Clint Gard]

2 hours ago, crosstownrivals said:

Im going to guess that those three schools will be joining forces with Bremen, Jimtown and Johhn Glenn. Also heard some rumblings that Triton, Wawasee, and Rochester may be joong those 6 also (Just rumors) at this point. 

Rochester will not be leaving the TRC.  

[Galagore]

5 hours ago, crosstownrivals said:

Im going to guess that those three schools will be joining forces with Bremen, Jimtown and Johhn Glenn. Also heard some rumblings that Triton, Wawasee, and Rochester may be joong those 6 also (Just rumors) at this point. 

 

I believe the other six schools of the HNAC (Caston, Culver, Judson, Pioneer, Winamac, Triton) are remaining in the HNAC. Hopefully we can pick up a couple more schools, but if not, I like this group going forward.

[Wrestling Scholar]

5 hours ago, AJ said:

North Central Conference is looking like it will be losing some teams as well.  Heard Harrison and McCutcheon may be leaving.

AJ,  Wow thats news.  Are they planning on going somewhere?   Possibly getting back in the HCC or possibly the MIC?

 

[crosstownrivals]

This will interesting to see what the NIC does going forward. Down to 8 Teams ( Penn, Elkhart, New Prairie, Mish Marian, St. Joseph, Adams, Washington, and Riley). The NIC use to be a very good conference in many sports but it has been trending downhill for the last 5+ years. Will Penn, New Prairie, and Elkhart look to join the DAC? Will they invite FT. Wayne Carroll and Homestead to the NIC? Or will they go the Independent route. I would like to hear some others thoughts, not just on wrestling but other sports as well. 

[Jam]

Don't think there will be anymore fallout for the NIC, unless the NLC decides to expand and takes Elkhart and Penn. South Bend schools are all a package deal and won't go anywhere. 

[AJ]

On 3/31/2023 at 5:01 PM, Wrestling Scholar said:

AJ,  Wow thats news.  Are they planning on going somewhere?   Possibly getting back in the HCC or possibly the MIC?

 

 

Harrison and McCutchen were both voted out of the North Central Conference today...Next year will be there last year in the conference.

 

NCC will be down to 7 teams...

Edited April 13, 2023 by AJ

[Wrestling Scholar]

1 hour ago, AJ said:

 

Harrison and McCutchen were both coted out of the North Central Conference today...Next year will be there last year in the conference.

 

NCC will be down to 7 teams...

1.  Does that mean Lafayette Jeff stayed? 2. Harrison and Jeff got voted out of the HCC in the same manner 8 years ago.  Looks like the Lafayette area isn't popular.  3.  Is it because these schools dominate  most sports and are the biggest and growing fast? 4. Would Duneland, MIC or HCC take them?  They're growing fast, and might fit better know in the HCC.

[AJ]

9 hours ago, Wrestling Scholar said:

1.  Does that mean Lafayette Jeff stayed? 2. Harrison and Jeff got voted out of the HCC in the same manner 8 years ago.  Looks like the Lafayette area isn't popular.  3.  Is it because these schools dominate  most sports and are the biggest and growing fast? 4. Would Duneland, MIC or HCC take them?  They're growing fast, and might fit better know in the HCC.

Jeff is staying....

[Y2CJ41]

10 hours ago, Wrestling Scholar said:

1.  Does that mean Lafayette Jeff stayed? 2. Harrison and Jeff got voted out of the HCC in the same manner 8 years ago.  Looks like the Lafayette area isn't popular.  3.  Is it because these schools dominate  most sports and are the biggest and growing fast? 4. Would Duneland, MIC or HCC take them?  They're growing fast, and might fit better know in the HCC.

I think everyone is jealous of the Lafayette area's Yelp ratings.

[Wrestling Scholar]

12 minutes ago, Y2CJ41 said:

I think everyone is jealous of the Lafayette area's Yelp ratings.

When you're hot, you're hot.

And when you're not, you're not.   We just got a new City Bar-be cue too. 

[Wrestling Scholar]

I cant help thinking of  the irony in this situation of kicking McCutcheon and Harrison out of the NCC.  They weren't good enough (mostly football) to compete in the Hoosier Crossroads conference which resulted in a backdoor eviction.  Harrison did lose 39 straight football games which makes a valid argument.   But now they're too good to compete in the North Central Conference, which also a valid point as Harrison has won 15 of the last 22 conference championships in all mens and womens sports.    So the cited point of geographical distance, enrollment gap and competitve balance is also a valid point.  

But this does create a headache for Jerry Galema and Ryan Waldron, the respective ADs.  I can understand why they wanted to stay.  It was more out of geographical convenience, not competitive dominance.   The problem is that Lafayette  area is in a donut hole were they're too far from schools with similar demographics.   They have a travel budget.   So now they have limited options, and have the task of convincing another conference to allow them to join with the obstacle of travel miles and $$.   But the Schools do bring in some very competitive teams with McCuthcheon winning some recent volleyball state championshsips, Harrison had a soccer championship and was in the finals of the Softball and Tennis last year.

 

So the scholar of course had to do an anlysis based on average travel distance and enrollment gap and some other intangibles to determine what the best conference would be.   Really trying to be objectve and real.  Would be curious to see what other opinions on the board of the reality of these options.

These options are ranked worst to best and are looked at from all IHSAA sports.

 

5.  Hoosier Crossroads Conference: avg travel distance = 61 miles, average enrollment gap = -1146.  Pros:  Prior conference history, shortest travel distance of all options,  theres still a lot of out conference competition between these schools and TSC, both are similar suburban schools  with schools TSC scchools getting bigger to decrease gap.   Cons:  Enrollment gap would make football tough,   TSC traveling football gate is not big enough for these schools, and the bad blood of kicking TSC out in 2014.  Also the HCC has an ideal  8 teams. Have the TSC schools - Laf Jeff improved and grown enough to bring  a better crowd and to put enough of a fight in football to coerce these schools drive up I-65? i think without the football disparity and possible loss of football gate, HCC would really consider this.

 

4. Conference Indiana: avg travel distance 99 miles, avg enrollment gap = +71.    Pros:  Closest enrollment gap and the schools would be very close in socio-economic demographics.   Interesting rivalry between Bloomington and West lafayette, with a mini- IU Vs PU atmosphere.  Also they have 6 schools, and the TSC schools would make a nice 8   Cons: Travel distance would be a huge obstacle and not much history.  But there's some possibilities.

 

3. MIC:  average travel distance = 62 miles.   Average enrollment gap -1494.   Pros: The travel distance is bearable and with the departue of Carmel and Center Grove, they need to schools that could compete. In non money sports, TSC could compete well.  Cons: Enrollment gap:  I see TSC struggle in basketball and football and the demographic is still a little differrent.  Would the MIC want two suburban schools with a large travel $ tag.

 

2. Duneland Conference:  Avg distance = 91 miles, avg enrollment gap = -297.  Pros:  Based on enrollment gap, these schools are very close and not far off from type of school and i predict the gap would be smaller in future.  This would be a nice competitive add in multiple sports.  Some possible good rivalries and this on personallly would be awsome from a wrestling perspective.  Also the lafayette are could possibly be deemed to have quasi region status.  Cons:   Distance is a big barrier albeit highway miles, the conference has there nice round 8 teams already.  The time zone change would be tough,  I could see a lot late and early incidents.   Would  the Region Rat snub his nose or welcome the competitors from the south?  Would the TSC guys be able to acclimatize themselves to the notorious "Region" steel mill/refinery air?

 

1 Mid States Conference:  avg distance = 77 miles, enrolment gap -258 Mid states avgs 1685 vs 1943  of TSC.  Pros:  This is a compromise of a  avg drive and not a large enrollment gap.  TSC and these are similar suburban schools.  Harrison and McCutcheon would really improve the competitiveness in fit well with all the sports. but wouldnd dominate.   A couple of good wrestling rivalries would emerge.   Cons:  The  nice thing of this conference is their compact closeness to each other as not spread out,  adding the TSC schools would change that.  Its sill on average 77 highway miles.  Not a lot of interconference competition or history.   But there could be a future here. 

 

Long shots: 

Sagamore conference;  With it breaking up,  maybe a possibiliy of rebuilding with a merger but the enrollment gap is too big albeit proximity would be nice.

Summit conference:     The drive is too far,  but the school types might be close enough to fit.  Also, I know a lot of people in Lafayette that want to see and experience  "Victory Bay". 

Northern Indiana conference:   See long drive comments,  different type of schools.  But playing Penn would everyyear in multiple sports would be interesting and they might like excluding the drive.

Independent status:   Scheduling nightmare,  no all-conference honors, only happens if everybody rejects the TSC schools.

 

Conclusion:  The TSC shcools would be nice assets for competitiveness based on there well rounded sports over all.  Good sportsmanship and a lot recent state final moments in various sports recently, and the fans travel fairly well.    Somebody should compromise on the geopgraphical distance and improve their conference.   Im sure the A.Ds will do their full "Due Dilligence" in finding a home.  I just hope the whole state doesnt snub their noses at these quality schools. 

 

Just surveying on opinons:  A= "We would love to have the TSC schools in our conference". B- no way were letting those bastards in and traveling that far.  C- in between.

Edited April 14, 2023 by Wrestling Scholar

[Y2CJ41]

You forgot the most important piece of the puzzle. Average taco restaurant Yelp ratings of each said location.

[Wrestling Scholar]

3 hours ago, Y2CJ41 said:

You forgot the most important piece of the puzzle. Average taco restaurant Yelp ratings of each said location.

Good point I'll edit and make it longer by giving best Taco in the conference.

[Cmoney125]

On 4/12/2023 at 3:51 PM, Jam said:

Don't think there will be anymore fallout for the NIC, unless the NLC decides to expand and takes Elkhart and Penn. South Bend schools are all a package deal and won't go anywhere. 

South Bend is closing Clay either next year or the year after. To be honest, there will probably be another South Bend School closing soon after that. The NIC is going to be dead by 2027 and they are going to need to redraw sectionals solely based on South Bend's inability to run a school district.

[Cmoney125]

Down goes South Bend Clay. School Board votes 4-3 to close the school. The residents of clay township provide 44% of the tax revenue to the South Bend Community School Corporation and now they don't have a school. Sad day.

[Y2CJ41]

Wow that is crazy!

[AJ]

27 minutes ago, Cmoney125 said:

Down goes South Bend Clay. School Board votes 4-3 to close the school. The residents of clay township provide 44% of the tax revenue to the South Bend Community School Corporation and now they don't have a school. Sad day.

 

Not real familiar with the area.. How will the students be split up?  To what schools?

[GenHeavyHandz]

15 hours ago, Cmoney125 said:

Down goes South Bend Clay. School Board votes 4-3 to close the school. The residents of clay township provide 44% of the tax revenue to the South Bend Community School Corporation and now they don't have a school. Sad day.

Clay has been to put it nicely: a bottomless pit. It was dangerous and dilapidated over there.  Most residents of Clay township never attended Clay.  The go to St. Joe and Penn.  When they closed LaSalle: Clay was doomed.

[crosstownrivals]

Washington is not much better. I would venture to say that Washington will be the next SB school to close. This is sad to see in Northern Indiana.

[Jam]

4 minutes ago, crosstownrivals said:

Washington is not much better. I would venture to say that Washington will be the next SB school to close. This is sad to see in Northern Indiana.

I believe in the districts potential plans for resizing, if they change to two high schools Riley would become a middle school and Washington along with Adams would be the two high schools.

[Wrestling Scholar]

Just read from a blogger that Logansport has applied to the 9 member Hoosier Conference with vote next week by Hoosier Conference.   The NCC might become a going concern.