JayinSTL Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 2 hours ago, HeadLocksWinChampionships said: This is true, and that is what stopped the match. Irony!!! BrodyHardcastle 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richyy253 Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 1 hour ago, CoachDuke2.0 said: Beck not getting swipes at the end of the 3rd is crazy. . . He very visibly got two sweeps and they gave no points I was baffled Coplen187, HCman, BrodyHardcastle and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALittle Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 7 hours ago, chambers said: No overturning of the call is needed. The NFHS Wresting Casebook and Manual states : When the match is defaulted by either the coach or the wrestler, this terminates the match and no additional wrestling can take place. Didn’t the injury take place before the coaches decision to default. They could’ve restarted ‘wrestling’ and then the coach can make that decision but since the medical staff deemed unable to continue I didn’t think the coaches had the chance to do anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jza123 Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 The rules state: "Any coach of the contestant .... has the prerogative to default a match to the opponent at any time prior to the conclusion of wrestling" Then, was the match over: "The conclusion of wrestling occurs when the time expires at the end of the third period, when the overtime ends, or when a fall, disqualification or a default occurs." Did a default occur? "If a contestant is injured as a result of an illegal hold/maneuver, ..... to the extent the contestant is unable to continue following a maximum of two minutes recovery time, the contestant shall be awarded the match by default." The two minute recovery clock expired, the wrestler did not continue; therefore, wrestling had ended and a default should of been awarded to the injured wrestler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIACfan Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 1 hour ago, jza123 said: The rules state: "Any coach of the contestant .... has the prerogative to default a match to the opponent at any time prior to the conclusion of wrestling" Then, was the match over: "The conclusion of wrestling occurs when the time expires at the end of the third period, when the overtime ends, or when a fall, disqualification or a default occurs." Did a default occur? "If a contestant is injured as a result of an illegal hold/maneuver, ..... to the extent the contestant is unable to continue following a maximum of two minutes recovery time, the contestant shall be awarded the match by default." The two minute recovery clock expired, the wrestler did not continue; therefore, wrestling had ended and a default should of been awarded to the injured wrestler. Sometimes the letter of the rule doesn't completely cover the intent. The intent of that rule is to award a competitor the win if injured as the result of an illegal move. But officials are human and sometimes an illegal move is called when it should not have been. The intent of the rule is not to disqualify a competitor when a mistake was made. I'm guessing the official probably regretted the call & was happy that the coach stepped up & did the right thing. In the end, they got it right. What is wrong with that? patriotfan, boilergrappler and TrueRegionFan 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrecoCoach Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 3 hours ago, ALittle said: Didn’t the injury take place before the coaches decision to default. They could’ve restarted ‘wrestling’ and then the coach can make that decision but since the medical staff deemed unable to continue I didn’t think the coaches had the chance to do anything. Around 10 years ago, the NFHS changed/clarified the rule that allows coaches to default their wrestler at any time - even during recovery time. Before that change, the only way to "do the right thing" would be to have the injured wrestler line up for the ref to blow the whistle then stop the match to default - which is even more dangerous for the injured wrestler. It was a good rule change designed for rare situations exactly like this one. JayinSTL, tangarrray, LionsFan and 3 others 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALittle Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 2 hours ago, SIACfan said: Sometimes the letter of the rule doesn't completely cover the intent. The intent of that rule is to award a competitor the win if injured as the result of an illegal move. But officials are human and sometimes an illegal move is called when it should not have been. The intent of the rule is not to disqualify a competitor when a mistake was made. I'm guessing the official probably regretted the call & was happy that the coach stepped up & did the right thing. In the end, they got it right. What is wrong with that? It just seems like anytime there is an illegal call resulting in injury in high level matches, 2 things always occur. People say it shouldn’t have been called, which is always subjective so now we are openly questioning officials’ decisions or say that the injured wrestler is taking a dive which influences coaches decisions to default. The situation yesterday seemed as if a decision was made, then influenced into something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HWTDAD Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 5 hours ago, ALittle said: Didn’t the injury take place before the coaches decision to default. They could’ve restarted ‘wrestling’ and then the coach can make that decision but since the medical staff deemed unable to continue I didn’t think the coaches had the chance to do anything. Why are you still on about this??? The coach AND the injured wrestler said they wanted to forfeit the match so the Mater Dei wrestler could move on. Christ Justin Ratliff, patriotfan, Mattyb and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jets Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 3 hours ago, jza123 said: The rules state: "Any coach of the contestant .... has the prerogative to default a match to the opponent at any time prior to the conclusion of wrestling" Then, was the match over: "The conclusion of wrestling occurs when the time expires at the end of the third period, when the overtime ends, or when a fall, disqualification or a default occurs." Did a default occur? "If a contestant is injured as a result of an illegal hold/maneuver, ..... to the extent the contestant is unable to continue following a maximum of two minutes recovery time, the contestant shall be awarded the match by default." The two minute recovery clock expired, the wrestler did not continue; therefore, wrestling had ended and a default should have been awarded to the injured wrestler. Dude- why you keep bringing this up??? everyone on this board agrees the right/stand up thing was done. Why do you seem intent on wanting to take away a State trip from a kid who clearly deserves it?? Coach Synder - hats off to you and thoughts /prayers for the young man. Justin Ratliff and tangarrray 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guillotine Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 11 minutes ago, HWTDAD said: Why are you still on about this??? The coach AND the injured wrestler said they wanted to forfeit the match so the Mater Dei wrestler could move on. Christ Are you exhausted yet? I am! HWTDAD 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyla Sumner Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 21 hours ago, Yotti4 said: Noah sumner 11-2 over Sam Howard Sam Howard is a tough kid!! He has a very successful high school career ahead of him! Can’t wait to watch him over the next three years!!! Yotti4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALittle Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 31 minutes ago, HWTDAD said: Why are you still on about this??? The coach AND the injured wrestler said they wanted to forfeit the match so the Mater Dei wrestler could move on. Christ Just thinking of the Edgewood kid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yotti4 Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 21 minutes ago, Kyla Sumner said: Sam Howard is a tough kid!! He has a very successful high school career ahead of him! Can’t wait to watch him over the next three years!!! I totally agree. Great day for Noah, he is fun to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jza123 Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 1 hour ago, jets said: Dude- why you keep bringing this up??? everyone on this board agrees the right/stand up thing was done. Why do you seem intent on wanting to take away a State trip from a kid who clearly deserves it?? Coach Synder - hats off to you and thoughts /prayers for the young man. I didn't know that a solitary post on this subject, and my second total ever on this board would be construed in this manner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeTython Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 On 2/10/2024 at 7:49 PM, TeamGarcia said: I agree, let’s tag @trackgopher that Markio guy that post pictures in rafters @markio, that Evansville dirty south expert @TripleB and @MikeTython cause I laugh at him everything he posts . thitttttt...i juth took a lil break..had thum thpinal thtuff agin TeamGarcia 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chambers Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 On 2/11/2024 at 8:26 AM, jza123 said: The rules state: "Any coach of the contestant .... has the prerogative to default a match to the opponent at any time prior to the conclusion of wrestling" Then, was the match over: "The conclusion of wrestling occurs when the time expires at the end of the third period, when the overtime ends, or when a fall, disqualification or a default occurs." Did a default occur? "If a contestant is injured as a result of an illegal hold/maneuver, ..... to the extent the contestant is unable to continue following a maximum of two minutes recovery time, the contestant shall be awarded the match by default." The two minute recovery clock expired, the wrestler did not continue; therefore, wrestling had ended and a default should of been awarded to the injured wrestler. Are you sure that the injured wrestlers coach did not default the match before the end of the 2 minute recovery time expired? tangarrray 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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