maligned Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 (edited) Scores now updated and finalized through state. A summary of the final results:East Chicago automatic bid: PortageEvansville auto bid: BrownsburgNew Castle auto bid: CathedralFort Wayne auto bid: CarrollAutomatic wildcards (6): Avon, Merrillville, Columbus East, Mater Dei, Castle, PennEligible for both vote-in spots: Roncalli, Harrison, Crown Point, Perry Meridian, Chesterton, Center Grove Return = number of returning starters next season * = injury or transfer points included Rank Score Return Class 3A Teams 1 257.5 11 Portage 2 251 10 Brownsburg 3 230 11 Indianapolis Cathedral 4 217 11 Avon 5 213.5 10 Merrillville 6 209 14 Columbus East* 7 206.5 9 Evansville Mater Dei 8 199 11 Castle* 9 196 8 Penn 10 195 10 Roncalli 11 189.5 13 Harrison (West Lafayette) 12 189.5 11 Crown Point 13 188 10 Chesterton 14 184.5 5 Perry Meridian 15 183 10 Center Grove 16 170 7 Carroll (Fort Wayne) 17 165 10 Hobart 18 159 11 Bloomington South 19 159 8 Carmel 20 154 10 Zionsville 21 151 11 Floyd Central 22 148 10 Warren Central 23 146.5 10 Greenfield-Central 24 143 9 Hamilton Southeastern 25 142.5 11 Northridge 26 140.5 12 Jay County 27 136 12 Mishawaka 28 133 9 Lawrence Central 29 130 11 Lafayette Jefferson 30 130 10 Lawrence North 31 127.5 9 Plymouth 32 127 9 Lowell 33 126 10 Elkhart Central 34 123 10 Evansville Reitz 35 119 13 Goshen 36 118 9 Jennings County 37 118 7 New Albany 38 117 12 Plainfield 39 115 7 Westfield 40 114 8 North Central 41 113 11 LaPorte 42 113 10 Fort Wayne Bishop Dwenger 43 113 9 Franklin Community 44 109 7 Jeffersonville 45 107 9 South Bend Riley 46 105 9 Homestead 47 104 11 Bloomington North 48 103 6 Kankakee Valley 49 102 12 Pike 50 100 9 Noblesville 51 98 11 Southport 52 97 10 Elkhart Memorial 53 96 8 Pendleton Heights 54 96 5 East Central 55 94 9 East Noble 56 93.5 8 Ben Davis 57 90 12 McCutcheon 58 89 10 Huntington North 59 88 12 Whiteland 60 87 9 Fishers 61 84 11 Highland 62 84 10 Greenwood 63 84 9 Franklin Central 64 83 7 Kokomo 65 82 10 Concord 66 80 5 Terre Haute North 67 77 8 Valparaiso 68 76 10 Lake Central 69 76 8 Terre Haute South 70 76 7 Columbus North 71 74 9 Connersville 72 74 9 Hammond Morton 73 74 7 Evansville Central 74 73 9 South Bend Adams 75 73 7 Munster 76 72 10 Muncie Central 77 71 8 Seymour 78 70 10 New Palestine 79 70 8 Martinsville 80 68 7 Mount Vernon (Fortville) 81 67 10 Mooresville 82 66 11 Fort Wayne Snider 83 66 7 Jasper 84 59 8 Fort Wayne Wayne 85 56 8 Decatur Central 86 55 11 Michigan City 87 54 7 Logansport 88 52 9 Fort Wayne Northrop 89 49 9 South Bend Clay 90 49 5 Indianapolis Arsenal Tech 91 48 11 Anderson 92 48 8 Warsaw 93 45 12 Bedford North Lawrence 94 44 9 Fort Wayne South Side 95 44 8 Fort Wayne North Side 96 42 6 Richmond 97 41 9 DeKalb 98 41 6 Evansville Harrison 99 39 5 Evansville North 100 25 7 Shelbyville 101 8 3 East Chicago Central Edited February 23, 2017 by maligned EazyBLACK7 and Wrestling Scholar 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maligned Posted February 3, 2017 Author Share Posted February 3, 2017 Scores from Shelbyville, Franklin, TH North, TH South, Bloomington North, and Bloomington South have been edited above. All scores are now cross-checked thoroughly through sectional. Again, 3A scores don't matter much at this point. A few teams in the middle of the pack will end up placing very high and some teams at the top will struggle to score more than a few points more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maligned Posted February 7, 2017 Author Share Posted February 7, 2017 (edited) Scores are fully confirmed through regional except for a few still to cross-check from Fort Wayne. A few notes of analysis in addition to the new notes in the leaderboard post: --Only Roncalli from among the contenders above has a small chance to be classified down to 2A with the new IHSAA data later this month (Jay County could also be a contender in the Fort Wayne race that could potentially drop, but they are not a wildcard contender here). Also, there are no teams in 2A that could potentially move up that will have scores in the 3A scoring system that would put them in contention. In other words, the leaderboard you see above is the genuine post-classification leaderboard. --No injury points have been added in yet. There will most likely be several teams affected. --Remember that the top score from each semi-state plus the next 6 best scores overall qualify automatically. Because the remaining possible contenders from Fort Wayne (Carroll, Jay County, Northridge) are further down the leaderboard, essentially a Top 9 position is the cutoff for being an automatic qualifier. --Automatic qualification will require roughly 190 to 200 points. Around 170 or 175 will probably be the cutoff for vote-in consideration for the final two wildcards. Edited February 7, 2017 by maligned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maligned Posted February 12, 2017 Author Share Posted February 12, 2017 Scores are now updated through semi-state. Only Roncalli from this group has a small chance to be reclassified and affect the standings. Because Carroll lead the FW automatic bid race and are further down the leaderboard, top 9 will essentially represent automatic wildcard territory. Remember that anyone within 15 points of the next 2 teams after the automatic qualifiers will be eligible for the 2 vote-in positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki27 Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Wouldn't it make more sense for 1st to get 2pts and 2-3 get 1.5pts and 4-5 get 1pt and 6-7 get a .5pt? It seems the difference between 2nd and 3rd is the luck of the draw in many cases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestling Scholar Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Scores are now updated through semi-state. Only Roncalli from this group has a small chance to be reclassified and affect the standings. Because Carroll lead the FW automatic bid race and are further down the leaderboard, top 9 will essentially represent automatic wildcard territory. Remember that anyone within 15 points of the next 2 teams after the automatic qualifiers will be eligible for the 2 vote-in positions. Maligned, Who votes on the 2 vote-in-positions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 The committee of power Wrestling Scholar 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestling Scholar Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 The committee of power With great power, comes great responsibility. At least according to Spider Mans uncle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattyb Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 (edited) So it looks like everyone from Hobart down are eliminated. Is that a correct statement? Also... Perry will be getting more points for Fair's injury. Also... will Center Grove get points for Littel being out? Sorry... it's a legit question! Edited February 13, 2017 by Mattyb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ontherise219 Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 I saw crown point joined the party this year will merrillville? If they qualify Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
regionrumbler Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 It looks like the controversial stalling calls in the McCartney/Demien match put Penn in Team State and left Harrison out. (They each have 2 points still available.) If I understand the scoring, that match was a 12 point swing. The chances of the lesser known Raiders being voted in over Perry, Chesterton, Castle or Crown Point, probably aren't good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maligned Posted February 13, 2017 Author Share Posted February 13, 2017 Wouldn't it make more sense for 1st to get 2pts and 2-3 get 1.5pts and 4-5 get 1pt and 6-7 get a .5pt? It seems the difference between 2nd and 3rd is the luck of the draw in many cases.Actually, following season performance of 3 and 5 is virtually identical. Both go 3-1 at state and lost to someone good. 2 is a small step ahead of them. Points are set up where history has shown the natural breaks are. grapplegirl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maligned Posted February 13, 2017 Author Share Posted February 13, 2017 (edited) So it looks like everyone from Hobart down are eliminated. Is that a correct statement? Also... Perry will be getting more points for Fair's injury. Also... will Center Grove get points for Littel being out? Sorry... it's a legit question! Neither situation gets points. Injury points are only given for pre-tournament situations. (With 9 seniors, PM needed to wrestle well and avoid bad luck to get an auto bid like WC did last year with 10 seniors. Unfortunately for them, it didn't happen,) And Littel has no previous season points to award. Both situations will be a huge deal during voting, though. Yes, assuming no more injury point claims, Hobart and below are eliminated. Tournament selection committee votes in April on the final 2. That's made up of coaches who volunteered...currently from Warren, Edgewood, Yorktown, Centerville, Churubusco, East Central, Madison, Jeffersonville Edited February 13, 2017 by maligned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maligned Posted February 13, 2017 Author Share Posted February 13, 2017 It looks like the controversial stalling calls in the McCartney/Demien match put Penn in Team State and left Harrison out. (They each have 2 points still available.) If I understand the scoring, that match was a 12 point swing. In a sense, this is true. But I'm sure their staff would tell you the points they left on the table in some other regional and semi-state matches where they were probably favored were just as big. regionrumbler 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
regionrumbler Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Good point Maligned! In any sport, as a coach and fan, I often re-live one or two decisions in a match or game, but it's better to look at the whole match and not obsess over one of the bad decisions I made. I'll let others do that. LOL. I looked at the seeds and results and you're right, Harrison left a few points on the mat. A quick glance shows they had two #1's lose. One lost to a 4 and one to a 3. In the 4 over 1, the Harrison #1 was undefeated. Ouch! MOWrestler 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestling Scholar Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Good point Maligned! In any sport, as a coach and fan, I often re-live one or two decisions in a match or game, but it's better to look at the whole match and not obsess over one of the bad decisions I made. I'll let others do that. LOL. I looked at the seeds and results and you're right, Harrison left a few points on the mat. A quick glance shows they had two #1's lose. One lost to a 4 and one to a 3. In the 4 over 1, the Harrison #1 was undefeated. Ouch! Harrison could of locked it up and is disappointing weekend to see they lost a few of the matches. But they still should have a very strong team coming back next year with 13 starters back, and they're varsity B was very strong that had some guys that will compete for spots. There points still should be in the 11 to 12 spot. Harrison was in position to go to team state a few years ago, and they lost the vote in to a team they felt was not as strong and didn't perform as well. That would be sad if there was a bias out there against Harrison just because some schools have a big name. I hope that's not what its about when the "Committee of Power" votes. Not that Im lobbying, but the Committee of Power should not that Harrsion fans travel well. regionrumbler 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattyb Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 (edited) No way can you leave Perry out. Doesn't seem like anyone on the outside can catch Roncalli for the last automatic spot. That leaves one spot. Who gets it? Harrison, castle, Chesterton, Center Grove or crown point? Edited February 13, 2017 by Mattyb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestling Scholar Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 No way can you leave Perry out. Doesn't seem like anyone on the outside can catch Roncalli for the last automatic spot. That leaves one spot. Who gets it? Harrison, castle, Chesterton, Center Grove or crown point? Why cant you leave Perry Out? Looks like they're not going to have as many points as other teams. regionrumbler 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
regionrumbler Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Scholar: Perry = Blue Blood! You better start lobbying for your Lafayette folks. In the Olympics, they bribe the decision makers...maybe you can send the committee gifts or pick up their concession tab this weekend. Let the wealthiest man win! JK Wrestling Scholar 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeamGarcia Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 (edited) Why cant you leave Perry Out? Looks like they're not going to have as many points as other teams. Perry loses 9 Seniors but gain 3 very good Freshman that I know of, that's going to fill some weights and have a nice young core . Edited February 13, 2017 by TeamGarcia bluemonster 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestling Scholar Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Scholar: Perry = Blue Blood! You better start lobbying for your Lafayette folks. In the Olympics, they bribe the decision makers...maybe you can send the committee gifts or pick up their concession tab this weekend. Let the wealthiest man win! JK You're right. We better come up with something good from West Lafayette, like free Boiler Maker football tickets. No, they could get those anywhere Cheap, that wont influence anyone:). Maybe some XXX burger gift certificates. Its definitely going to be a fight against the "Blue Blood Bias". But if we spin this right to the "Committee of Power", we could say its starting to look like a club up there at team state. Maybe we need some "New Blood" instead of "Blue Blood". regionrumbler 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
regionrumbler Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Nice! I like that idea. "New blood" is a good slogan! "XXX" might get some votes too, especially if they misinterpret what kind of joint it is Wrestling Scholar 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestling Scholar Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Nice! I like that idea. "New blood" is a good slogan! "XXX" might get some votes too, especially if they misinterpret what kind of joint it is Well keep the XXX offer vague so they don't know. If it does come to Harrison vs Perry. I like the argument of 13 returning starters argument vs only 5. regionrumbler 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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warsawwrestling Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Lol start buying up all the Indiana mat gear! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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