Y2CJ41 Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 This entire time I thought the case was for 3 classes which sounded horrible. But 2 classes wouldn't be so bad. I have NEVER stated I wanted 3 classes for individual wrestling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irishman1114 Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 Participation ribbons to all, and free cokes after it's over. Super_Fan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwoodjc89 Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 IF we went with 2 classes for the individual tournament, would we keep 3 classes for the dual tournament? It seems odd to have different classes for individual/team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 Participation ribbons to all, and free cokes after it's over. Thank you for your participation in this thread. We will take your comment in the highest regard. In your response, I really think we should just take the champions from each level of the tournament. Why are we letting losers into each step of the tournament? If we make it even harder to qualify that will be better for everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irishman1114 Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 Thank you for your participation in this thread. We will take your comment in the highest regard. In your response, I really think we should just take the champions from each level of the tournament. Why are we letting losers into each step of the tournament? If we make it even harder to qualify that will be better for everyone. It will be taken in as much as your repetitive posts about making wrestling more fair in Indiana. Other states have class wrestling so they must be right. You get extremely defensive when someone else disagrees with you on this topic. Fact: If Indiana goes to a class system, fans will be lost! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 It will be taken in as much as your repetitive posts about making wrestling more fair in Indiana. Other states have class wrestling so they must be right. You get extremely defensive when someone else disagrees with you on this topic. Fact: If Indiana goes to a class system, fans will be lost! Fans will be gained too. Lets just have one weight class then. Ohhh yes I said it! That way more fans will come watch just 4 kids battle it out for supreme wrestler of Indiana. If Colten Cummings works hard he can beat Shawn Streck, I 100% believe it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trap1 Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 How do you lose fans when participation level increases? Mom and dad gonna skip juniors match because it is classed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irishman1114 Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 Fans will be gained too. Lets just have one weight class then. Ohhh yes I said it! That way more fans will come watch just 4 kids battle it out for supreme wrestler of Indiana. If Colten Cummings works hard he can beat Shawn Streck, I 100% believe it. And posts like that show that you just want to argue. That comment is no more relevant than my post about participation ribbons. Not one person on this thread has said a word about having 1 overall champion. There should be 14 champions. How do you lose fans when participation level increases? Mom and dad gonna skip juniors match because it is classed? How do you know participation levels are going to increase? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjayroza Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 You are correct Y2 fans will be gained and fans will be lost. You are just hearing the voices of the fans that will be lost. No one is saying that Cummings can beat Streck, I just think we like to see a clear cut champ. The classed system will undoubtedly pull in more wrestler participation, which in turn brings in more fans. So I can't really argue that point. The fact that people enjoy the current system shouldn't be an absurd idea. Troll 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trap1 Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 Two classes means double the number of participation at the state series. Math much bro? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 And posts like that show that you just want to argue. That comment is no more relevant than my post about participation ribbons. Not one person on this thread has said a word about having 1 overall champion. There should be 14 champions.Because you comment wasn't meant to argue....right? How do you know participation levels are going to increase?Look at the increase in attendance at semi-state by adding 56 more wrestlers. Ohh wait it is watered down now and now we just give participation ribbons out since it's so easy to qualify for semi-state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irishman1114 Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 Two classes means double the number of participation at the state series. Math much bro? Or it cuts the one class in half BRO! B. Alan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galagore Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 Again, I ask how is a single class individual tournament good for the sport of wrestling in our state? I love the current tournament, but only because I like to watch it. I like watching the Lakers and Knicks lose, too...but it isn't good for the NBA. We have proposed some hypotheses on how a two-class system would benefit Indiana wrestling. So far, I have seen no posts that say how a single class system is beneficial. bell103 and Y2CJ41 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smooth34 Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 IF we went with 2 classes for the individual tournament, would we keep 3 classes for the dual tournament? It seems odd to have different classes for individual/team. Why? The "team" tournament is a regular season tournament not sponsored by the IHSAA. Two separate events. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smooth34 Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 We have proposed some hypotheses on how a two-class system would benefit Indiana wrestling. So far, I have seen no posts that say how a single class system is beneficial. Playing devil's advocate, because I have no dog in this fight, where's the proof that a multi-class system benefits wrestling? Have other states done studies on this? Is there actual data to confirm or deny this? Or is it purely conjecture? Troll 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trap1 Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 Weight classes get reduced every weekend from sectionals to state. Double the numbers of kids still in the tourney series. How hard is it to see that there would be 32 state qualifiers rather than 16? And what evidence is there to support a drop in fan levels? Check the gate numbers for surrounding states with class wrestling. I know Ohio isn't hurting any. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irishman1114 Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 Again, I ask how is a single class individual tournament good for the sport of wrestling in our state? I love the current tournament, but only because I like to watch it. I like watching the Lakers and Knicks lose, too...but it isn't good for the NBA. We have proposed some hypotheses on how a two-class system would benefit Indiana wrestling. So far, I have seen no posts that say how a single class system is beneficial. I would respectfully disagree. You believe it would benefit Indiana wrestling and I do not. There have been just as many valid points as to why it would not benefit the state. I believe a single class benefits by showing the best our state has to offer for the next level. Weight classes get reduced every weekend from sectionals to state. Double the numbers of kids still in the tourney series. How hard is it to see that there would be 32 state qualifiers rather than 16? And what evidence is there to support a drop in fan levels? Check the gate numbers for surrounding states with class wrestling. I know Ohio isn't hurting any. Going from 32 state qualifiers from 16 does not double participation. It doubles the amount of wrestlers allowed to compete at the state championship, it does not double the amount of wrestlers in the state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 I would respectfully disagree. You believe it would benefit Indiana wrestling and I do not. There have been just as many valid points as to why it would not benefit the state. I believe a single class benefits by showing the best our state has to offer for the next level. Going from 32 state qualifiers from 16 does not double participation. It doubles the amount of wrestlers allowed to compete at the state championship, it does not double the amount of wrestlers in the state. So by your reasoning if I have a super dual with 6 teams it will draw more fans than if we had 10 teams? Is that correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trap1 Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 I would respectfully disagree. You believe it would benefit Indiana wrestling and I do not. There have been just as many valid points as to why it would not benefit the state. I believe a single class benefits by showing the best our state has to offer for the next level. Going from 32 state qualifiers from 16 does not double participation. It doubles the amount of wrestlers allowed to compete at the state championship, it does not double the amount of wrestlers in the state. [/quote Double the numbers of wrestlers in the system is the same as participation rate in the state series. Individual numbers in the various programs are not what I am talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bog190 Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 I would respectfully disagree. You believe it would benefit Indiana wrestling and I do not. There have been just as many valid points as to why it would not benefit the state. I believe a single class benefits by showing the best our state has to offer for the next level. Going from 32 state qualifiers from 16 does not double participation. It doubles the amount of wrestlers allowed to compete at the state championship, it does not double the amount of wrestlers in the state. You don't think our state would be benefited recruiting wise by showcasing additional wrestlers? It's better for Indiana recruiting to have less individuals make it to the state level? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarlHungus Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 It will be taken in as much as your repetitive posts about making wrestling more fair in Indiana. Other states have class wrestling so they must be right. You get extremely defensive when someone else disagrees with you on this topic. Fact: If Indiana goes to a class system, fans will be lost! Fact: Putting the word fact in front of a statement does not make it a fact. Any fans that would be lost would be more than made up for with more kids qualifying for deeper tournament runs. Anyone that would not continue to support high school wrestling if we went to a class system isn't really that big of a fan anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irishman1114 Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 So by your reasoning if I have a super dual with 6 teams it will draw more fans than if we had 10 teams? Is that correct? That's not what I said at all. If all you are looking to do is put more butts in the seats at Bankers life, then allow every wrestler on every team to compete at the state finals. The point single class proponents are trying to make is the point of the state tournament is not to have as many fans there as possible, it is to find the best wrestler at each weight class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 That's not what I said at all. If all you are looking to do is put more butts in the seats at Bankers life, then allow every wrestler on every team to compete at the state finals. The point single class proponents are trying to make is the point of the state tournament is not to have as many fans there as possible, it is to find the best wrestler at each weight class. So as long as we have one TRUE champion you could care less if there are 100 fans watching or 15,000...is that what you are saying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tspray1 Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 (edited) That's not what I said at all. If all you are looking to do is put more butts in the seats at Bankers life, then allow every wrestler on every team to compete at the state finals. The point single class proponents are trying to make is the point of the state tournament is not to have as many fans there as possible, it is to find the best wrestler at each weight class. Do you think the IHSAA cares who wins state or do you think they care about butts in the seats? You should stop looking at it through rose colored fan glasses. This isn't about appeasing fans! Edited February 18, 2015 by tspray1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irishman1114 Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 Do you think the IHSAA cares who wins state or do you think they care about butts in the seats? You should stop looking at it through rose colored fan glasses. This isn't about appeasing fans! I absolutely agree with you there. The IHSAA doesn't care who wins. Its definitely financial for them which is why I think eventually we will probably see multi-class, I just hope we don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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