gstemv81 Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Someone who can lift and carry their opponent back to the center deserves a bonus point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Guru Posted February 17, 2011 Author Share Posted February 17, 2011 Additionally.... To get your initial officials license you must be at least 18 years of age and out of high school. You must pay a $60 fee each season and pass a one time 100 question test (Part I Test) with a 75% or better. At this point you are considered a Registered official. In years past you could not officiate a sectional your first year, but with the recent shortage of officials they have generally relaxed that requirement to some degree. In order to work past the sectional (regional SS or state) the requirements become stricter. To do so you must be a Certified or Professional official, which requires you to attend a 4 hour Certification Clinic and take a 100 question test (Part II Test) each December and score 90% or better. The certification clinics are offered every two years by the IHSAA, although many associations go ahead and host a similiar clinic in the non certification years. The Professional status is awarded to those officials who have reached the highest level by attending additional clinics, mentoring younger officials, conducting clinics, being an IHSAA rules interpreter, and presenting approved IHSAA trainings and association meetings. To become a Professional, you obviously have to have first been Registered and then Certified. Officials are assigned to the IHSAA tournament series based on a set of criteria. 128 officials are used for the sectional, 64 officials are used for the Individual Regional, 32 officials are used for the Team Regionals, 48 officials (up from 36 in previous years) officials are used for the SS's, 12 officials are used for the Individual State Finals, and 8 officials are used for the Team State Finals. The assignment of the officials are based on the following: 1. Coaches Ratings 2. Tournament Series Progression 3. Certified or Professional Status 4. Passing the Part II Test with at least 90% 5. Number of votes received 6. Strength of Schedule Coaches Ratings: Each December coaches receive a ballot via their AD with a list of eligible officials to work the tournament series. Coaches rate the officials as 1-Poor, 2-Fair, 3-Good, 4-Excellent, or 5-Superior. An average is figured and the officials are placed in ratings order at the IHSAA office. Tournament Series Progression: As mentioned by Dan above, you must work 3 sectionals before you can do a regional, 3 regionals before you can do a SS, and 3 SS's before you can do the state finals. Certified or Professional Status: You must have attended the bi-annual certification clinic. Part II Test: You must pass with at least 90% each year in December to insure that you are up to date with current rules. Number of votes received: You must have at least 5 votes to work a sectional, 10 votes to work a regional, 15 votes to work a SS, and 20 votes to work the state finals. Strength of Schedule: In the event of a tie in the ratings, the IHSAA would consider the strength of your schedule in order to determine which official would get the nod. Keep in mind that not all officials apply for the tournament series. There are approximately 420 licensed officials in Indiana, however, only about 200 actively officiate HS matches. Many are coaches, retired officials that keep their license, guysthat just want to work MS matches, or newbies that have yet to jump in with both feet. The IHSAA tournament is probably also the lowest paying tournaments that you would do during the season, as the individual schools determine payment during the season, while the IHSAA determines payment in the series. I believe the Sectional pays $100, the Individual Regional pays $75, the Team Regional pays $50, the SS pays $120, and the State Finals pays in the neighborhood of $160. All of these meets also pay $.25 per mile. Personally, my lowest paying Saturday tournament during the season is $225, so the tournament series is definately not a get rich opportunity. This season 151 officials applied to do the tournament series, so the criteria above was used to determine the top 128 eligible officials to work the sectional. The key word is "eligible", as the 5th rated official may have only worked one prior sectional, and is thus not eligible for a regional or above. The 20th rated official may have only received 14 votes and thus could not work a SS. The 33rd rated official may have only scored 89% on the Part II test and thus could not work the tournament. These are just a few examples of how a higher "rated" official may not work as far into the tournament as a lower rated official. I agree, it's not a perfect system, and as a senior official I personally work year around to recruit new guys into the fold. I encourage seniors to consider getting licensed after graduation, and when I see the same guys over and over in the crowd I encourage them to jump in. If you like the sport it's the best seat in the house, you get in for free, you get free food, and you get paid to be there. The bottom line though in getting the best guys at the highest levels is for the coaches to cast their votes. Good, bad, or indifferent, it lets us all know where we need to be! Anybody interested in signing up, all of the information is available at www.ihsaa.org or feel free to contact one of the senior officials. We'd love to have you, and I hope this helps explain the requirments. Thanks Chuck! That was a great explanation. Do you think the requirements should be more stringent? What if we could influence the IHSAA to pay more for the tournament series? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IntegratedCarp Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 A) 1 pt. for a push out. Any stalling call gives immediate choice top, bottom, neutral. C) College out of bounds rule criteria for TD. D) 20 seconds to turn an opponent from top; if no turn, then back in neutral. E) For college: Elimination of riding time. We need to make guys wrestle more and remove the traditional avenues to stalling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1oldwrestler Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 A) 1 pt. for a push out. Any stalling call gives immediate choice top, bottom, neutral. C) College out of bounds rule criteria for TD. D) 20 seconds to turn an opponent from top; if no turn, then back in neutral. E) For college: Elimination of riding time. We need to make guys wrestle more and remove the traditional avenues to stalling. The pushout rule would ruin high school wrestling. Too many times it's a fluke, and a lot of guys would stop trying to score and just look for the pushout in a tight match. And I don't think 20 seconds is long enough on top; I'd make it a minute. B is pretty interesting. What would happen, though, if the bottom man got called for stalling, and I, as the top man, wanted to remain on top? Stopping the match to figure that out would slow down the momentum of the match a lot. I agree with everything else though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blastdouble119 Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Bringing riding time to the high school level.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ekocottonball Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Riding time would be a bad idea. It is already hurting college wrestling. Why make HS wrestling THAT boring? If we want to stop stalling, then we need to move towards FS rules. That is 10 seconds to turn an opponent and then neutral. No more lazy leg riding on top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fire77 Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Full wrestle backs and the out of bounds line calls like college are two very good ideas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davit Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 1. College rules for takedowns 2. Classing the Team State Tournament, not Individual Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. RIght Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 The smell of the wrestling room... then how would basketball players know what hard work and a champion smells like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smooth34 Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 Riding time would be a bad idea. It is already hurting college wrestling. Why make HS wrestling THAT boring? If we want to stop stalling, then we need to move towards FS rules. That is 10 seconds to turn an opponent and then neutral. No more lazy leg riding on top. Being able to ride an oppenent is actually a skill. Why penalize a guy who is working on top for a turn but the bottom guy is content to lay there. You are basically saying its okay to be terrible on bottom because they will just re-start you to neutral. I guess we should just have takedown tournaments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ekocottonball Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 Being able to ride an oppenent is actually a skill. Why penalize a guy who is working on top for a turn but the bottom guy is content to lay there. You are basically saying its okay to be terrible on bottom because they will just re-start you to neutral. I guess we should just have takedown tournaments. zzzzzzzzz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KLH300gm Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 Anyone who thinks riding is boring is uneducated about wrestling. I think freestyle wrestling has killed folkstyle because kids don't have to score from the bottom. I see a lot of kids who can't hit a switch, stand-up, sit-out or any other basic bottom escape move because all spring and summer they lay and wait and get put back to their feet with no effort expended and then go at it full bore again. It would be like a baseball game having guys hitting from a batting T because the pitcher may not stuff it where they want it. You want better top wrestling than enforce stalling for top and bottom. make the kid who balls up on the bottom just so he won't get turned do something, and if a kid on top wants to throw the legs and ride make the rule an automatic stall warning at 20 or 25 seconds of ride time then he will have to decide do I cut him, do I continue to try and turn him, or do I take the stall and give the point. I agree about the out of bounds for TD's like college. I am not a proponent of class wrestling because I think it seperates Indiana from the other states. Team wise most schools can't fill a line-up. Making it class wrestling when a majority of the schools are short mutiple weight spots may be just as bad as leaving it one class, but it may be worth a shot. Problem is the travel involved in getting schools to venues if it is a weeknight event. I am all for anything that makes wrestling a better and more competitive sport but like an earlier post said turning guys loose means it might as well be a take down tournament. And if riding puts you to sleep your attention span must be very very very short Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snoopy Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 Like the semi-state wrestle backs Like the college TD rules Either have rinding time or don't in both college and high school. The way it is now our better kids get cheated. Going way back. At one time there was no coaching. The coaches were in the stands. the wrestlers had to know. I would love to set in the bleachers at a dual some time with the other coach (or not) and let the wrestlers wrestle and think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B Campbell Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 Combining the push out rule and the college out of bounds rules don't jive together. I like the way the college referees let the kids wrestle, rather than stopping the match every time someone steps one foot out of bounds. Normally they either work back in or just end up with both men out. I'm not a push out fan cuz that's just sumo...I once saw a kid get tech falled on push outs only! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 Combining the push out rule and the college out of bounds rules don't jive together. I like the way the college referees let the kids wrestle, rather than stopping the match every time someone steps one foot out of bounds. Normally they either work back in or just end up with both men out. I'm not a push out fan cuz that's just sumo...I once saw a kid get tech falled on push outs only! Obviously it would be one of the two and not both. I would prefer the pushout rule. It prevents people from using the edge as a way of getting out of trouble and keeps the action in the center and makes the matches faster. As far as getting teched on pushouts,.... if you can't keep your butt in the center then you deserve to lose that way. Wrestling freestyle helps kids develop great mat awareness and the ability to change directions and angles to prevent or ensure scoring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ontherise219 Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 then how would basketball players know what hard work and a champion smells like nice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammer Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 One problem with the college out of bounds rule being used in HS is that it would require larger mats than are often used now. Many mats have too small of area beyond the lines. I would oppose adding riding time, because I think it would encourage top man stalling. But I also oppose giving the top man 10 seconds to turn, and then putting them on their feet. I would prefer that we just have officials enforce stalling much better than they tend to, whether the stalling wrestler is top, bottom, or neutral. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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