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That list goes back 30 years with two of those names - Alan Grammer and Darren Grimwood. The hardest part would be fitting in all those great light weights. Grammer plus Jeff Harp and Chip Elderkin.

Roger Reisz, Reitz, 1978-82. 2x runnerup to David Palmer. Steve Noriega, Central, 1977-81. State champ at 98, I think. Happe was Central I think - permanent opponent of McDonald, MD. Bobby Stone, Reitz, 1973-77. 3rd at 105.

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I get a kick out of Y2's snubbing of the IHSWCA's team title versus the real deal IHSAA in the same way that us single class supporters look down on classed team state. The definition of irony.

Actually, Y2 is in a category of his own because he RUNS this board. Anyone else expressing strong opinions the way he does would be at about -400. Just so you know!

1oldwrestler: We'd like to think that the team bagging the coaches trophy would be the best team but not always. The scoring system at individual state is heavily skewed toward the top. For one example, 1 champ = 8 eighth placers. For another example, 14 SQs who don't get past Friday night=zero. If team scoring was carried over from semi-state placers the final team picture would be much more accurate.

Even the new-fangled spladle was invented around 1987.

I forget which year but Zirkelbach decisioned Ellis 13-7 at the Big Ten meet in the match for 3rd-4th. Zirkelbach was a year ahead of Lance at the time, winning a high school state title for MD at 103 in 1988, while Ellis was a 4x from 1986-1989 (98, 112, 112, 119). Ellis had the same dominating presence then as Tsirtsis today. Lance was more physical than Tsirtsis but less polished. Huge thrower.

1996 at 112 - Nick Hull of Lawrence Central against someone from Lawrence North - his name escapes me. Met at sectional, regional semi-state and state finals. Mac Taylor of New Castle 3rd at New Castle Semi-State and State; lost to Hull 15-5 in state semi-finals who went on to win the title. Mr. Hull coaches somewhere now and shows up here occasionally...

I think MD's back up at 170 is yet another Weinzapfel.

Vote Republican.

I mentioned this on tskin's thread and I'll bring it up here. He suggests a pre-Christmas team state series in order to avoid scheduling conflicts and January snowouts. My question is can we hold preliminaries the week before Christmas and the team state finals the week after individual State? My concern is that holding a team state event in the middle of the regular season will reduce team state to a regular season event.

Running a team state event before Christmas might be best. All the plans put forward so far contemplate January tournaments - a recipe for getting snowed out, and then what? What if we ran the preliminaries before Christmas with the finals after Individual State? Will the IHSAA permit that?

I think the current state placement points are skewed toward the top. Currently, one state champ equals two fourth placers or eight (!) eighth placers. Way out of balance. I think the same is probably true at semistate but I haven't looked into that. Reweighting the points awarded would seem to fix the whole problem very simply. Related to GrecoCoach's post, how exactly does Ohio do it? And is Ohio changing their format? I hope the IHSWCA Dual Invite is a great idea that the whole wrestling community can get behind.

"Most Reversals" would be kind of a dubious category. I can see somebody padding their numbers by deliberately giving up a bunch of takedowns to get reversals?! This is the "cut-em" strategy in reverse.