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Evansville fans! Best wrestlers in the history of Evansville?
gstemv81 replied to Jayruss's topic in Past Discussions
That list goes back 30 years with two of those names - Alan Grammer and Darren Grimwood. The hardest part would be fitting in all those great light weights. Grammer plus Jeff Harp and Chip Elderkin. -
Evansville fans! Best wrestlers in the history of Evansville?
gstemv81 replied to Jayruss's topic in Past Discussions
Roger Reisz, Reitz, 1978-82. 2x runnerup to David Palmer. Steve Noriega, Central, 1977-81. State champ at 98, I think. Happe was Central I think - permanent opponent of McDonald, MD. Bobby Stone, Reitz, 1973-77. 3rd at 105. -
turtleneck
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I get a kick out of Y2's snubbing of the IHSWCA's team title versus the real deal IHSAA in the same way that us single class supporters look down on classed team state. The definition of irony.
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Actually, Y2 is in a category of his own because he RUNS this board. Anyone else expressing strong opinions the way he does would be at about -400. Just so you know!
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1oldwrestler: We'd like to think that the team bagging the coaches trophy would be the best team but not always. The scoring system at individual state is heavily skewed toward the top. For one example, 1 champ = 8 eighth placers. For another example, 14 SQs who don't get past Friday night=zero. If team scoring was carried over from semi-state placers the final team picture would be much more accurate.
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Even the new-fangled spladle was invented around 1987.
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I forget which year but Zirkelbach decisioned Ellis 13-7 at the Big Ten meet in the match for 3rd-4th. Zirkelbach was a year ahead of Lance at the time, winning a high school state title for MD at 103 in 1988, while Ellis was a 4x from 1986-1989 (98, 112, 112, 119). Ellis had the same dominating presence then as Tsirtsis today. Lance was more physical than Tsirtsis but less polished. Huge thrower.
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1996 at 112 - Nick Hull of Lawrence Central against someone from Lawrence North - his name escapes me. Met at sectional, regional semi-state and state finals. Mac Taylor of New Castle 3rd at New Castle Semi-State and State; lost to Hull 15-5 in state semi-finals who went on to win the title. Mr. Hull coaches somewhere now and shows up here occasionally...
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I think MD's back up at 170 is yet another Weinzapfel.
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Title IX Nazi's start in on High School programs...
gstemv81 replied to The Guru's topic in Past Discussions
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I mentioned this on tskin's thread and I'll bring it up here. He suggests a pre-Christmas team state series in order to avoid scheduling conflicts and January snowouts. My question is can we hold preliminaries the week before Christmas and the team state finals the week after individual State? My concern is that holding a team state event in the middle of the regular season will reduce team state to a regular season event.
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Running a team state event before Christmas might be best. All the plans put forward so far contemplate January tournaments - a recipe for getting snowed out, and then what? What if we ran the preliminaries before Christmas with the finals after Individual State? Will the IHSAA permit that?
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I think the current state placement points are skewed toward the top. Currently, one state champ equals two fourth placers or eight (!) eighth placers. Way out of balance. I think the same is probably true at semistate but I haven't looked into that. Reweighting the points awarded would seem to fix the whole problem very simply. Related to GrecoCoach's post, how exactly does Ohio do it? And is Ohio changing their format? I hope the IHSWCA Dual Invite is a great idea that the whole wrestling community can get behind.
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"Most Reversals" would be kind of a dubious category. I can see somebody padding their numbers by deliberately giving up a bunch of takedowns to get reversals?! This is the "cut-em" strategy in reverse.
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It's time to use our imaginary Second Amendment remedies.
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"... even though his school had no wrestling team ... no regular season." Wow, that blows out of the water the 'no quality wrestling partners' argument for class wrestling.
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It used to be that the Division II individual champs received automatic berths in the Division I tournament. Why did it get taken away? For example, Nick Walpole is Div. II national champ but his season is over. In the old days it was possible for a Division II champ to move on and compete with the best. The best example is Alan Grammer of Evansville Reitz. In '85 and '86 he won two Div. II titles and then AA'd twice at Division I.
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That worked perfectly. Thanks. I'm a computertard. I wonder why only that one window was affected.
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IndianaMat is coming up on my computer screen in tiny print for whatever reason. I figure it has to be the site because everything else is normal in any other open window. Is this an experiment? If so, it failed. Please change it back!
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That was Tim Wright, named with teammate and former Evansville Reitz standout Alan Grammer to the NCAA Div. II wrestling hall of fame in 2006. Grammer is now associate head coach at SIUE.
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Coach Snyder, You're right that team state in its current form does not change sectional scoring. I think what you're missing is that class supporters advocate completely realigning the sectionals just like class basketball. In that event be prepared to travel long distances to meet your new faraway sectional "rivals."
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Southern Illinois University Edwardsville Alan Grammer, Evansville Reitz (1976-1979) * 2x Indiana State Runnerup (2nd @ 105 in 1978, 2nd @ 119 in 1979) * 2x NCAA Division II National Champion (1st @ 134 in 1985, 1st @ 126 in 1986) * 2x NCAA Division I All-American (3rd @ 134 in 1985, 5th @ 126 in 1986) Grammer qualified for the NCAAs back when Division II national champions got berths in the Division I tournament. Grammer became an Associate Head Coach at SIUE in 2010. Former olympian and current Oklahoma head coach John Smith lost 5 matches in his college career - two of them to Alan Grammer.
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I don't care for class wrestling but taking cheap shots has been done to death and isn't the way to persuade. If we support single class for the sake of one wrestling community, it is better to promote harmony in our one wrestling community.
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Any feedback on MattM's idea of having a small school spin off from the current team state series? Sectional champs advance, and winners continue on in the traditional team state tournament, while eligible small schools who get defeated along the way would spin off to a small school bracket to continue on in their own small team state finals. Top small school that doesn't win their sectional would divert to the small team state bracket and move on in the series. This idea could work. Those who want a true team state champ get what they want, and small schools get two bites at the apple - win a true team state title or, when knocked out, get a meaningful chance to continue to a small class state title.