AC Computer Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 I've been waiting for Y2 to post this because he, Coach Fielden, & I were trying to figure it out last night. We had a double DQ (you can probably guess the weight) and we were discussing how that reflects on the wrestler's record. Obviously, it's not a win, but can it be considered a loss since your opponent didn't win either? Should you consider it a tie? I know I marked it as a loss on the wrestler's record on our website, but I'll change it if someone can show me where it is defined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gogoplata89 Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 Not 100% on this, and I can't quote anything but I believe it is a loss for both. Strange situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 What about seeding meeting fun? One wrestler didn't technically lose to the other... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlevito Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 It goes down as a loss for both wrestlers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarlHungus Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 sometimes we all lose when heavyweights wrestle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indyshred Posted December 18, 2010 Share Posted December 18, 2010 sometimes we all lose when heavyweights wrestle You got that right! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldGoatGrappler Posted December 18, 2010 Share Posted December 18, 2010 You got that right! Ignorance of heavyweight wrestling techniques has always permiated our great sport. From coaches who never wrestled heavier than 125, to officials who don't recognize that what might be considered stalling in a 103 lb. match is actually a great setup move in a heavyweight match. Heavyweights don't (and never will) wrestle like little guys, and until you realize this you will continue to lose and so will the kids that don't fit the mold of what "you" consider wrestling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarlHungus Posted December 19, 2010 Share Posted December 19, 2010 Ignorance of heavyweight wrestling techniques has always permiated our great sport. From coaches who never wrestled heavier than 125, to officials who don't recognize that what might be considered stalling in a 103 lb. match is actually a great setup move in a heavyweight match. Heavyweights don't (and never will) wrestle like little guys, and until you realize this you will continue to lose and so will the kids that don't fit the mold of what "you" consider wrestling. I said that tongue in cheek. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edb41 Posted December 19, 2010 Share Posted December 19, 2010 I said that tongue in cheek. I chuckled when I read it, nice work. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1oldwrestler Posted December 19, 2010 Share Posted December 19, 2010 I actually agree with Karl. The quality of wrestling at heavyweight is much lower than any other weightclass. While it's true that heavyweights do have their own "style," that "style" consists of sloppy, and oftentimes downright bad, technique. I've seen very successful heavyweights with no concept of basic things like keeping their hips under them on a shot, or not putting their knee to their head while standing up. This is mostly because they can get away with sloppy technique due to their strength, size, and their opponents lack of skill thoughout the season. Line up the best lightweight wrestlers and the best heavyweight wrestlers, and the lightweights will have better technique almost every time. While this is obviously not true for every heavyweight, we shouldn't be giving credit where it isn't due. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theckman Posted December 19, 2010 Share Posted December 19, 2010 I got two words for you: Andy Schneider Great strength, very good speed, tremendous balance, technique of middle weight. Wrestled like a middle weight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
former130 Posted December 20, 2010 Share Posted December 20, 2010 I got two words for you: Andy Schneider Great strength, very good speed, tremendous balance, technique of middle weight. Wrestled like a middle weight. 1 out of 500 ain't bad! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattM Posted December 20, 2010 Share Posted December 20, 2010 Great strength, very good speed, tremendous balance, technique of middle weight. I will say in most cases once we hit state most of the HWT have more of this description. In semi-state the true wrestlers begin to eliminate the belly bumper who only developed one move to score off of. We may not see to many crazy scrambles and athletic moves, but the technique and movements of the state level HWTs is much more on par with solid wrestling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theckman Posted December 20, 2010 Share Posted December 20, 2010 1 out of 500 ain't bad! lol.....not when that one is Andy!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshMed Posted December 20, 2010 Share Posted December 20, 2010 I can name several HWT state champs over the years with great tech but none come close to Andy. The first state I ever went to was his junior year and it took all of about 30 sec of watching him wrestle to see a great wrestler. I've never understood why more HWTs don't take his approach of mastering technique. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtv2112 Posted December 20, 2010 Share Posted December 20, 2010 I can name several HWT state champs over the years with great tech but none come close to Andy. The first state I ever went to was his junior year and it took all of about 30 sec of watching him wrestle to see a great wrestler. I've never understood why more HWTs don't take his approach of mastering technique. It takes a lot more effort at that body size to master technique. Many heavyweights are heavy due to the fact that they are not generally very active or hardworking individuals. If they were, they wouldn't be that "belly busting" heavy to begin with. Very few heavies look like they are at a healthy weight. Many may not have competition in the room to push them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted December 20, 2010 Share Posted December 20, 2010 Just because they don't look like they are from Ethiopia doesn't mean they aren't healthy. I would say many 103lber look very unhealthy at their weight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtv2112 Posted December 20, 2010 Share Posted December 20, 2010 Just because they don't look like they are from Ethiopia doesn't mean they aren't healthy. I would say many 103lber look very unhealthy at their weight. Very true about the 103 lbs guys. Still, those belly buster guys one of the other posters mentioned are not at a healthy weight. What body fat percentage do you think is in the healthy range? Some of these guys miss it by 10 percentage points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1oldwrestler Posted December 20, 2010 Share Posted December 20, 2010 Y2, going by all the evidence that has been found about the health problems associated with being overweight, I think you'd be hard pressed to argue that a 280 lb high schooler is healthier than a 105 lb high schooler. I think a big part of the reason technique isn't very important for heavyweights is that they can get away with it, due to their size, strength or whatever. Why learn how to correctly finish a takedown when you can finish it on 90% of your opponents just by barrelling into them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppe66 Posted December 21, 2010 Share Posted December 21, 2010 Heavyweights need to be pushed by their coaches to learn technique and wrestle. If they are pushed to wrestle like middleweights the good ones can and will. The ones who just get by on size and one move will only win against the same type of competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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