Coach Doug Welch Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 MIDDLE SCHOOL STATE will be here before you know it. If you're looking for a place to train, then come be a part of our training series that starts this Sunday at 6:00pm! These workouts are open to anyone, whether you will compete at the state tourney or not. The cement head... I mean cement mixer king and Midlands Champ; Coach Chad Welch (welchtwin1) will be leading these workouts. Follow the link listed below to get more information about the practices, location, tournament, etc. http://carmelusawres...state_team.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indiana7 Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 What's everybody think of top two in each weight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sig40 Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 (edited) 75-Frazier, Miller, Hammack, Vest80-Schoeff, Nelson, Solomey, Lemley85-Goin, Teusch, Hayhurst90-Freeman, Watson, Baumann, Ruble, fogarty, Garcia, Otto, Johnson95-Alstott, Dalton, Roberson, Allen, Hardcastle, Gilbert102-Mendez, Seltzer, Sinkovics, Fuqua, Purdy110-Mis, Ross, Conley, Koontz, Montgomery, Duncan117-Boarman, Goodwin, Buchanan, Elliott, Morrisett125-Reynolds, Lehman, McKivitz, Steenbeke, Carrington, Bell, Carroll, Cruz132-Fitts, Willems, Sollars,140-Ellis, Ison, Whitelock, Donawerth, Lommock150-Turley, Bates, Williamson, Avery160-Bowman, Friedt, Parkison, Garcia175-Jones, Kratkocski, Young, Lane195-Wells, Speilberger, Rux220-Whillhite, Stamm, Havens, Mendoza,275-Watkins, Patton Edited February 10, 2017 by Sig40 Indiana7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wwatson Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 (edited) Registration Is Now Open Edited January 19, 2017 by wwatson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wwatson Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 Any word on how they plan on seeding this this year? Track profiles should not be an options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indiana7 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Why should it not be? What should be then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indiana7 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 (edited) 75-Frazier, Miller, Boyd, Hammack, Ison 80-, schoeff, Solomey, Lemley 85-Hayhurst, Teusch, Nelson, Goin, 90-Freeman, Baumann, Watson, Ruble 95-Alstott, Dalton, Robertson , Hardcastle, 102-Mendez, Mis, Seltzer, Fuqua, 110-Ross, Conley, Koontz, Duncan, Sinkovics 117-Boarman, Montgomery, Elliott 125-Reynolds, Steenbeke, Carrington, Bell, Cruz, Lehman 132 fits, Mckivtz Morrisett, Willems, Sollars, Carroll 140-Ellis, Whitelock, Donawerth, Lommock 150-Warren, Williamson, Avery 160-Bowman, Friedt, Parkison, Garcia 175-Jones, Kratkocski, Young, Lane 195-Wells, Speilberger, Rux 220-Whillhite, Stamm, Havens, Mendoza, 275-Watkins, Patton Changed a few things just on where I think the boys will go from talking to them. Edited February 5, 2017 by Indiana7 Indiana7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wwatson Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 (edited) Why should it not be? What should be then? Trackwrestling Profiles are flawed and allows people to manipulate their profile for better seeding. Plus not all tournaments use trackwrestling, such as Tulsa, Super 32, OTC, and some National Duals. 2 Options 1. Use last years results only seeding top 4 like ISWA State 2. Don't seed it at all Just my 2 cents....At the end of the day kids have to wrestles the match and they do get to wrestle back for true 2nd, but if they are going to seed it trackwrestling is not the best tool to use. Hayden Watson will be @ 90 not 85 Edited January 19, 2017 by wwatson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indiana7 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Maybe you can now see deleted events and going by last years state is not good either some kids have became completely different wrestlers from last year. I personally hope they don't seed it. If they do my kid hopes he is unseeded in the tournament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattyb Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 (edited) Ison is a 5th grader. Look out for him next year. Look for his bro at 140 this year. Great kids. I would put Schoeff at the top of the list at 85. Edited January 19, 2017 by Mattyb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wwatson Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Maybe you can now see deleted events and going by last years state is not good either some kids have became completely different wrestlers from last year. I personally hope they don't seed it. If they do my kid hopes he is unseeded in the tournament. Very true and I am with you I hope they don't seed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indiana7 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 (edited) should be fun Edited January 19, 2017 by Indiana7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattyb Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 (edited) Will be disappointed if separation criteria is not added. Hope that we don't see a match up like we saw with Garcia and Alec Viduya to start the day two years ago. It was a long day after that for Alec. Same with Drake Campbell. I think that Alec had to wrestle 11 times that year to get his true second. That was not safe, and things can be done to prevent this. Four years ago my son was coming off a great Novice year. He was a sixth grader and got the one seed at 110. He was NOT the one seed in my book (not even close). Now.... two years later he was good enough to be the one seed, but not as a sixth grader. He did not place as a sixth grader (missed it by one round). He was not the one seed as a returning finalist his 8th grade year, but won it all. Seeding tournaments using track profiles is fine for local tourneys. But.. it should not be done this way for state or national events. Profiles are too easy to manipulate, and kids are coming off good or bad years at an older or younger age group. Maybe this could be the seeding criteria: 1. Returning middle school state champ 2. Returning middle school state placer 3. ISWA folkstyle schoolboy state champ 4. ISWA folkstyle schoolboy top 4 placer 5. ISWA folkstyle novice state champ 6. ISWA folkstyle novice top 4 placer But what do I know!!! Edited January 22, 2017 by Mattyb coach_worden 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indiana7 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 (edited) It's all of last year stuff. Not sure that makes sense. Seeding should be done off of this years performance In my opinion. I think they should do something like Illinois does. Have a sectional regional and finals. Edited January 20, 2017 by Indiana7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattyb Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 (edited) It's all of last year stuff. Not sure that makes sense. Seeding should be done off of this years performance In my opinion. Not I think they should do something like Illinois does. Have a sectional regional and finals. Again... what do I know? .... Geeesh.... I'm so stupid!!!!! I'm glad that most seeding doesn't take into account the prior years results! Oh....... wait...... Edited January 19, 2017 by Mattyb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeamGarcia Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 (edited) We Been fighting this battle over seeding with Powers in Charge for 5 years now maybe even longer than that. You can complain till your blue in the face nothing going to change the process. It is what it is. Just prep for a long day of wrestling Indiana best Middle School Wrestlers . Your wrestler(s) going to run into them at some point in this Tournament sooner or later. Edited January 19, 2017 by TeamGarcia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattM Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 (edited) On the topic of long days. I wouldn't mind seeing MS State add a Northern and Southern Qualifer like Girls State and Freshman/Sophomore State have introduced now for HS. You can always have separation criteria for the qualifier based on last years results, but at least most of that will be corrected within those brackets prior to state. Maybe top 8 advance to state and have a 16 man bracket with placement at the qualifier being the separation criteria. It would definitely make for a shorter day at State for several brackets. Plus it could possibly attract even more state talent since the qualification event is closer to home and qualification makes the state finals event more prestigious. Edited January 20, 2017 by MattM Russian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppe66 Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 I like the idea of having 2 regionals and then a state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade McClurg Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 (edited) Will be disappointed if separation criteria is not added. Hope that we don't see a match up like we saw with Garcia and Alec Viduya to start the day two years ago. It was a long day after that for Alec. Same with Drake Campbell. I think that Alec had to wrestle 11 times that year to get his true second. That was not safe, and can things be done to prevent this. Four years ago my son was coming off a great Novice year. He was a sixth grader and got the one seed at 110. He was NOT the one seed in my book (not even close). Now.... two years later he was good enough to be the one seed, but not as a sixth grader. He did not place as a sixth grader (missed it by one round). He was not the one seed as a returning finalist his 8th grade year, but won it all. Seeding tournaments using track profiles is fine for local tourneys. But.. it should not be done this way for state or national events. Profiles are too easy to manipulate, and kids are coming off good or bad years at an older or younger age groups. Maybe this could be the seeding criteria: 1. Returning middle school state champ 2. Returning middle school state placer 3. ISWA folkstyle schoolboy state champ 4. ISWA folkstyle schoolboy top 4 placer 5. ISWA folkstyle novice state champ 6. ISWA folkstyle novice top 4 placer But what do I know!!! Yes, Alec V wrestled 11 matches in 11 hours... true story Simple separation criteria would have prevented a good amount of the matches that he had to wrestle in the consos... since MS State can't be ran as a 2-day tournament due to the timing of it... then we need separation criteria because 1) it makes sense for such an elite tournament and 2) for the safety of the athlete. Edited January 20, 2017 by Wade McClurg Mattyb 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seindiana1 Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 The length of the day and the amount of matches is certainly a concern... especially when leaving in six inches of snow and/or ice like last year! Let's hope we have a better turnout of the boys from the Southeastern part of the state this year... lots of great wrestlers in middle school this year but not a lot attend MS State. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoontzDaddy Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 2, or even 4 regionals, then state is something I've talked about for a couple years. Get the number down to 16 per weight with separation based on placements at regionals, Much like we do our HS semi state and state. Make sure you have wrestle backs!!! This would definitely hurt the $ coming in on Sunday, but it would improve the event and prevent kids from wrestling an unreasonable amount of matches. And we might get home at a decent hour!!! Indiana7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matman225 Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 Any new predictions due to the wrestlers list? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattM Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 This would definitely hurt the $ coming in on Sunday, but it would improve the event and prevent kids from wrestling an unreasonable amount of matches. And we might get home at a decent hour!!! Maybe not if the entire state entry fee is paid at the qualifier level by all competitors. Having qualifiers could draw in more competitors due to: The initial shorter drive and less initial travel investment. The more reasonable competition level with a shot to get a state seed rather than risk a random draw. A the qualifier allows more prestige from being a state qualifier. If there is enough draw at the qualifiers at the full state entry fee then their should be the same money coming in as before to state, as well as, the funding for the qualifier locations too. It may not inscrease the final bottom line any but they maybe happy with the same final take-in win a far shorter and more organized day at state for everyone. Justin Ratliff 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMILL Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 so who is ready to write up a proposal and submit to IHWCA and then help out with all logistics ? MustangDaddy, MattM or better yet the guy who is very good at organizing events Mr. Justin Ratliff. You guys could be the Southern representation for organization and work with a Northern location representatives to get some legs under this idea. Come on guys step up and do this !!!! P.S. yep that's right leaving my profile pic to the one that was changed by the hackers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TripleB Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 I'm game JMILL, fill me in on what needs to be done. I'll write a proposal, any schools up north willing to join up w/ me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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