decbell1 Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 Saw this on another thread and wanted to make a new topic: At 120 in the LC Sectional there are five wrestlers and three forfeits. Yet, in the first round, a 10-1 kids is wrestling the two seed who is 26-3. Datrion Vaughn is not seeded, and two forfeits are seeded 5th and 6th. How is this possible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decbell1 Posted January 26, 2017 Author Share Posted January 26, 2017 Ok, this whole sectional is wrong. 113 is the same way, and so are 126, 138, 145, 160, 170, 195, 220 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Professor Morgan Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 Looks like every LC kid either got the last seed or drawn in including the Al a smith champ getting the 5 seed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decbell1 Posted January 26, 2017 Author Share Posted January 26, 2017 So your theory would be the LC coach didn't show up to his own meeting and therefor did not receive any seeds? hmmmmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Professor Morgan Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 No idea what happened. Just looking at every weight they got the last seed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piscis1956 Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 Those aren't the original brackets. For example, I saw an earlier set of brackets where Steele of LC was seeded first at 152. I was told 2nd hand that the LC coach didn't turn in some kind of weigh-in(?) paper work making the LC wrestlers ineligible for seeding. Therefore, the LC seeds were taken away. Again, that is just 2nd hand information, so take it as such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattM Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 (edited) I was told 2nd hand that the LC coach didn't turn in some kind of weigh-in(?) paper work making the LC wrestlers ineligible for seeding. Therefore, the LC seeds were taken away. Again, that is just 2nd hand information, so take it as such. If true that seems like in certain weights its hurting some of the field chances more than LC's. I don't have the best answer for a punishment if a coach messed up like that, but I'm not sure putting top wrestlers unseeded would be my top choice. Not ideal but maybe put those wrestles in the 6th spot if they were previously seeded. That at least avoids some of the "draw in" problems that could eliminate a high seed wrestler if their is a pig-tail match. Edited January 26, 2017 by MattM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aoberlin Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 This is how it works and the coach will not be allowed to coach sectionals. busstogate 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piscis1956 Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 Yes, in the 152 class, the kid that was originally seeded #2 got bumped up to #1. He now has to wrestle the kid from LC that was originally #1. So that kid went from #2 to effectively unseeded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighCrotchNinja Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 I believe that the LC coach did not provide some type of information for all of his wrestlers (weigh ins, etc.) and they all got seeded 8th or last in their weight class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dyoung Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 sucks for the kid that gets 2nd at the other regionals who gets logan bailey or al smith champ gabe smith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpartanGrappling Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 According to the sectional seed meeting tutorial (http://www.ihsaa.net/seedingmeetingtutorial/story.html)... "A coaches' failure to have his official team scorebook and his weigh-in sheets shall result in his school's entries being unseeded unless a majority of the other coaches present wish to seed the offending school's wrestlers." If this rule was followed, the other coaches would have been in a position to protect their wrestlers and avoid the possibility of wrestling a highly seeded wrestler who became "unseeded". Either way, our state's governing body cares little for its coaches and athletes. I won't be surprised by any rulings going forward, some of this stuff seems made up on the spot. It's like one of those wheels you spin for a punishment/dare. "Ohhhh, you landed on "All wrestlers unseeded", sorry about your luck. At least you didn't land on "Termination of wrestling program". I understand why rules exist and I follow them about 99.9% of the time. However, life happens and as humans we should recognize that unique circumstances may call for slight variations in interpretation and execution. Coach Masters 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XCard Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 X Pairings and Seeding A. Sectional pairings and seeding will be made at 7:00 p.m. on the Monday preceding the sectional tournament at the center school. 1. Each participating school in that sectional may have only 1 representative voting. Positions of contestants from schools not represented will be drawn by lot. 2. Six contestants shall be seeded in each weight class. Coaches are required to bring their official team scorebook and all of their Alpha Master Reports for each season contest date. A coaches’ failure to have his official team scorebook and his Alpha Master Reports shall result in his school’s entries being unseeded unless a majority of the other coaches present wish to seed the offending school’s wrestlers. What exactly did he not bring to the seeding meeting? BreakfastClub 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piscis1956 Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 My question is, if the coach didn't have all the weigh-in info with him, how could he show that all his wrestlers were eligible for the weight classes he entered them in? If that is the case, how are they eligible at all? This is just a question as I don't know how all the seeding stuff goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 Worst case scenario is you seed the guys then everyone moves up if they get pulled from the tournament. This just shows how much wrestling coaches will screw another even if it hurts their own kids. regionrumbler 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In The Bleachers Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 And what stops a coach from not bringing their alpha sheets just to get a kid into an illegal weight class? Seeded or unseeded the coach probably would not care except for the whole not coaching in the state series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 And what stops a coach from not bringing their alpha sheets just to get a kid into an illegal weight class? Seeded or unseeded the coach probably would not care except for the whole not coaching in the state series.If they are in an illegal weight class then the wrestler would be pulled from the tournament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In The Bleachers Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 How can you prove an illegal weight with out the alpha sheets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 How can you prove an illegal weight with out the alpha sheetsWhen the state or the host athletic director verifies it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busstogate Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 This thread has one fact and that is the LC kids are sitting funny in the brackets. The rest of the posts are speculations or support for speculations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warsawwrestling Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 This thread has one fact and that is the LC kids are sitting funny in the brackets. The rest of the posts are speculations or support for speculations. This statement is the definition of speculation! I'm not saying I don't agree with you, but it is speculation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busstogate Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 No u Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piscis1956 Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 This thread has one fact and that is the LC kids are sitting funny in the brackets. The rest of the posts are speculations or support for speculations. I think it has been verified that the coach did not provide all the proper information, including weigh-in information, at least at the seedings meeting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Seltzer Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 Fact: All the LC wrestlers were originally seeded. Fact: IHSAA says they can't be seeded because LC wrestlers don't have 6 qualifying weigh ins. (Because of clerical error) Although we know darn well they weighed in. Fact: IHSAA decides not to punish the kids and imposes that all LC wrestlers are drawn into the 7 or 8 spot. Which in turn screws the entire sectional up and domino effects to the regional Fact: The winter bulletin is worthless and contradicts itself. Wrestlers have to have 6 qualifying weigh ins in order to be entered in the tournament. Then later says wrestler without 6 qualifying weigh ins can't be seeded. Fact: The IHSAA will pick and choose which rules they want to follow. Fact: There isn't anyway to logically reason with the IHSAA. janders2, Old School H, tangarrray and 10 others 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decbell1 Posted January 27, 2017 Author Share Posted January 27, 2017 Coach Seltzer, thanks for the post. That's what I was looking for busstogate 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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