decbell1 Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 Did we do our job or were we, in the words of North Montgomery Coach Swain, "terrible"? BClark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casualwrestlingfan Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 (edited) Thought it was pretty close for 1A. 2A was almost as expected except Jimtown. 3A was and always will be a toss up. Good work for this format. I think everyone here knows my preference but the IHSAA won't work with the IHSWCA. Edited December 24, 2016 by casualwrestlingfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swain358 Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 I think 2A results speak for them self. I told you that 2A seeding was bad. Not any other class.. go check the scores and the results speak for them self.. Still wondering how we dropped in the rankings to 4th after having no losses.. gtodrivr 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casualwrestlingfan Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 (edited) This is exactly why I wish the two would team up. Fix the schedule and earn your way to this event. I'd have it at 8 teams per class maximum. Make the rule that teams must have 7 or more wrestlers to compete and put them in sectionals/regionals. Have top 2 teams in each advance to the 4 semi states set up like individual. Trim the semis to have 2 teams advance to state and randomly draw the 2 seeds against 1 seeds except for those in the same semi state. Blame the IHSAA for dropping single class and then not helping grow class wrestling. Edited December 24, 2016 by casualwrestlingfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nkraus Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 seemed pretty good...i personally felt we were potentially a 7 or 8 seed...having injuries I knew our chances of being any higher than that were no good....it was fair though, we got a chance to wrestle both seeds and they were pretty decent matches...i loved the event ...as far as seeding the top 4...Nobody can argue Yorktown and Bellmont being the #1 and 2...Jimtown hadn't lost yet...so it'd be hard to take them away from the 3 spot also...North Montgomery finished 3rd...they were seeded 4th correct? Not to mention...it's wrestling...Do the Al Smith Seeds play out perfect very often? Do any seeds play out perfect very often? Nice job...great tourney...very good for our kids! poppem215 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrennanFan Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 Wasn't interested in 1A or 2A but watched 3A and it was spot on. Excellent job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decbell1 Posted December 24, 2016 Author Share Posted December 24, 2016 Garrett is probably the team we missed on the most. Congrats on the good showing. poppem215 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swain358 Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 My question was we started the season ranked 3rd. Beat everyone out in front of us including a very tough Hamilton Southeastern squad. With 3 days before the seeding of team state, we drop to 4th in the rankings which led to us getting a 4 seed.. I am sure the rankings have an influence on the seeding for this tournament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infowrestling Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 seemed pretty good...i personally felt we were potentially a 7 or 8 seed...having injuries I knew our chances of being any higher than that were no good....it was fair though, we got a chance to wrestle both seeds and they were pretty decent matches...i loved the event ...as far as seeding the top 4...Nobody can argue Yorktown and Bellmont being the #1 and 2...Jimtown hadn't lost yet...so it'd be hard to take them away from the 3 spot also...North Montgomery finished 3rd...they were seeded 4th correct? Not to mention...it's wrestling...Do the Al Smith Seeds play out perfect very often? Do any seeds play out perfect very often? Nice job...great tourney...very good for our kids! I appreciate seeing rationality in this post............................Garrett is tough! RASSLER4LIFE 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casualwrestlingfan Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 I say we make an unofficial dual meet between Bellmont and North Montgomery for #2. Problem solved. mockdad79 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rookie78 Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 1A top 5 or so held true....nice work guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki27 Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 Ft. Wayne Carroll getting the 8th seed was a little generous. I think Crown Point was the only school they had a chance of beating and lo and behold! They happened to be in the same bracket. Other than that, they were spot on. Congrats to Brownsburg on a hard fought championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nkraus Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 Carroll beat Zionsville worse than Penn did and beat Lawrence North worse than Warren Central did...3a without a DOUBT has to be the toughest to seed...I'm not jealous! By no means am I disappointed in being a "miss"...I was pretty concerned coming in as we've had some misfortune in Garrett...as far as the North Montgomery/Jimtown argument...I can see it both ways...Jimtown finished 2nd last year and returned a ton of their line up...they were undefeated...Now, we know their heavyweight isn't wrestling, which changes things, but It'd be hard to punish Jimtown for being undefeated and a returning state runner up...North Montgomery is a legitimate top 3 team in 2A and will make some noise...and besides..."If you ain't first you're last." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 What happened to Mammolenti? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nkraus Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 What happened to Mammolenti? From what I was told...he had some type of knee injury and decided he didn't want to risk further injury by wrestling Thor 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maligned Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 (edited) Jimtown was undefeated, returning runners-up, and just placed above Penn in a round-robin style tournament that uses duals scoring; so moving them up to #3 wasn't egregious. It turns out Penn were missing some of their lineup before and arent quite as strong this year so the result was misleading, but the committee nailed the order on so many other teams that it's impossible to use the Jimtown miss to say they did a bad job. They've never stuck exactly to rankings so I'm certain that had nothing to do with the final decisions. It was one miss among almost line for line perfect order hits in every class. 6-7 were swapped in 3A. Jimtown drops from 3 to 6 and Garrett moves from 9 to 7 in 2A. 7-8 swapped in 1A. That's it. Everything else was line for line. Higher seeds went 55-6. Higher seeds in matches involving teams separated by 3 seeds or less went 32-6. As a fan, I would love to know how Bellmont/NM would go, so I can understand Coach Swain's frustration; but the committee did well overall. Edited December 24, 2016 by maligned warsawwrestling 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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