sportsfangms Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 "I'm not going to bash Cashe, but what has he really done since his freshman year and his unexpected all-America finish?"... I know you're really smart, so why don't you identify the "bash". If you read my earlier posts I think that the two are good for one another and even went as far as saying we've not heard the last of Cashe. I posed a question that was food for thought and create discussion, so again if you can't deal with that, it's your issue to handle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimtown 138 Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 I know you're really smart, so why don't you identify the "bash". If you read my earlier posts I think that the two are good for one another and even went as far as saying we've not heard the last of Cashe. I posed a question that was food for thought and create discussion, so again if you can't deal with that, it's your issue to handle. The bash is highlighted above... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabio Jr. Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 GUYS BE NICE AND HOLD HAND AND PLAY IN THE DAISYS MAKING FUN OF PEOPLE IS MEAN! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimtown 138 Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 GUYS BE NICE AND HOLD HAND AND PLAY IN THE DAISYS MAKING FUN OF PEOPLE IS MEAN! NO!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vito pepperelli Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 To a signficant degree, I think the Kyle vs Cashe match speaks to the mental and physical grind that is wrestling in general, and 4-5 years of college wrestling in particular. I don't have statistics, but I bet the burnout rate is high on former state champs who didn't measure up to expected potential. It certainly takes talent to succeed at a Division I level, but it also takes mental toughness and desire. I can only imagine the dedication needed to monitor your weight/diet coupled with attending class while all your friends are out eating, drinking, and partying. Also, there's notoriety in being a Division I wrestler at a program like Iowa. I'm going to venture to guess the spotlight isn't so bright for Purdue wrestlers. In their shoes, I'd have to think to myself if it was all worth it? I know what I chose when I was 18. Kudos to both men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NICfan Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 Kyle Ayersman beat Cashe 5-2. Wow WOW! is right. 5-3* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
base Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 Please try a similar quote on your spouse, and report back the results! ;D ""I'm not going to bash my wife, but what has she really done since that wild time on our honeymoon?"... Honey -- it WASN'T a bash!! I know you're really smart, so why don't you identify the "bash". If you read my earlier posts I think that the two are good for one another and even went as far as saying we've not heard the last of Cashe. I posed a question that was food for thought and create discussion, so again if you can't deal with that, it's your issue to handle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestling0021 Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 I see 3-5 AA this year eppert, nelson, atwood with the possibility of welch, cashe or even ayersman.. I see Eppert having a huge year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Guru Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 I don't see Quiroga or Ayersman as AA's at 133. 133 is stacked this year and loaded with seniors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestling0021 Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 I don't see Quiroga or Ayersman as AA's at 133. 133 is stacked this year and loaded with seniors. quiroga wrestled graff tough at senior nationals and he has on eof the best at eh weight only lost 5-4. i see AA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabio Jr. Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 Wrestling a kid tough 4-5 years ago doesnt really mean alot. I hope he has a good season and squeaks through but he is gonna have to wrestle leaps and bounds better than he has the past few seasons thats if he gets the starting job over Ayersman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestling0021 Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 Wrestling a kid tough 4-5 years ago doesnt really mean alot. I hope he has a good season and squeaks through but he is gonna have to wrestle leaps and bounds better than he has the past few seasons thats if he gets the starting job over Ayersman. Oh yeah? At university nationals this spring is 4 years ago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabio Jr. Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 quiroga wrestled graff tough at senior nationals and he has on eof the best at eh weight only lost 5-4. i see AA Make sure you mention the right tournaments then champ, I dont even know what the second part means Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 University Nationals is NOT Senior Nationals. Also before that Quiroga was teched 10-0 by Graff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unknown wrestler Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 Kyle and cash are both great wrestlersa! I would say with the amount of weight cash is cutting we will see a move to 141# in the near future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishfb88 Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 Yes, is Chad Welch taking a redshirt or what is his story? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 Yes, is Chad Welch taking a redshirt or what is his story? Chad Welch already redshirted. My guess is Luke Welch will be redshirting this year, like his brothers did as freshmen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 It is just nice to see talent such as Cashe and Ayersman staying in state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Williams Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 Just so people are aware, last year Cashe had a serious staph infection that put him in a hospital for 2 weeks and then he couldn't walk on his own for 6 weeks after that. He had his knee scoped in January. So, he wrestled at Big Tens with around 10 matches under his belt and never never being able to put more than 2 weeks of solid training together without injury. So, before we all jump on the Ayersman bandwagon (who didn't place at the MSU Open yesterday losing to 2 people I've never heard of), realize wrestle offs are overrated by most people in determining who the starter should be. You see a guy every day in practice and you can keep it close. I wrestled at Purdue and wish all Boilers the best. But, lets not get ahead of ourselves. Cashe has proven numerous times he can compete with the best in the country. A wrestle off win doesn't mean crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sportsfangms Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 Your first paragraph sounds like a lot of excuses. If he was as injured as you claim, which I don't dispute, why not look into the possibility of a medical redshirt? He didn't and chose to wrestle, so in critiquing his performance, he didn't do very well. Kyle went 3-2 and DNP, small serving sample, I'm not ready to say he'll be an All-American, but I'm also not ready to say the house is falling and give up on him. Also, since wrestle offs are not a clear, objective way of determining the starter, I'm curious what method you prefer. It just seems that if 2 wrestlers are of equal talent and are then given the opportunity to engage in competition, with the winner being elected the starter, it's pretty cut and dry. But as you so eloquently put it, "it don't mean crap". Also, since 08/09, who has Cashe beaten that "you've heard of"? He may have beaten a who's who of ranked wrestlers and I'm just not aware of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 Your first paragraph sounds like a lot of excuses. If he was as injured as you claim, which I don't dispute, why not look into the possibility of a medical redshirt? He didn't and chose to wrestle, so in critiquing his performance, he didn't do very well. Cashe has already taken a regular redshirt. In order to be granted a medical redshirt and 6th year of eligibility he would have to prove how injuries have had a major impact on TWO years of wrestling. Basically he would "need" to suffer another injury this year that affects a majority of the season in order to be able to get his 6th year of eligibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Erikson Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 Not that I have a dog in this fight anymore I will inject my two cents. Cashe' beat some guy from Minnesota twice in the Big Ten Tournament name Dardannes and then lost in the round of twelve at the NCAA Tournament where Dardannes placed. Having an All American in the room has a big impact on the Team as it forces others to raise their game to compete at that same level, seeing Kyle win a match over Cashe' is evidence of that. This is a great situation for Purdue as they have two young men who can compete at that next level which in turn should carry over to the rest of the Team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sportsfangms Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 Cashe has already taken a regular redshirt. In order to be granted a medical redshirt and 6th year of eligibility he would have to prove how injuries have had a major impact on TWO years of wrestling. Basically he would "need" to suffer another injury this year that affects a majority of the season in order to be able to get his 6th year of eligibility. Didn't he only wrestle parts of the last 2 years due to injury? I could look but my couch is comfortable and I just don't want to Google, but off of memory I think he had mid 30's as far as matches go his freshman year and maybe that same number the past 2 years combined. It could also be part of what an earlier poster stated (Vito P), college wrestling is a grind and tests your mental fortitude, perhaps he's not interested in a 6th year of wrestling. 6 years of college wouldn't have been so bad in retrospect, but throwing cutting weight and getting beat up on a daily basis, and I'm not sure I'd sign up for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Williams Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 First, a medical redshirt was looked at as a possibility because Cashe did miss significant time during his redshirt year with injury. But, it would have been a gamble. Quality wins since 08-09: Nikki Triggas AA, James Nicholson AA, Chris Dardanes AA, Zach Horan AA to name a few. Regarding Wrestle offs, I believe it is the coach's responsibility to choose the line up that gives his team the best chance to win, like every other sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 As a true freshman he was 28-15 and was 22-8 during his sophomore season. Like I said, he will have to miss a significant portion of the season due to injury this year in order to even think about applying for a 6th year. That would most likely need to include the post season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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