indyt Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 Can someone please give me a better explanantion as to why the IHSAA does not score the first round of the semi state and the first round of the state. I understand what the IHSAA did by not scoring until the quarters in the sectional due to a team winning by getting more ffts. The notion that every level should be the same is unreal. We are wrestling matches but not keeping score. This is the answer to dropping team state. Crown a team that may or may not have scored as many points as another team. At some point the IHSAA has to listen to wrestling people to make wrestling decisions. So we are wrestling but not keeping points. Who has heard of a sporting event without keeping score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabio Jr. Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 Great question coach! Would love some insight, seems peculiar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fire77 Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 the IHSAA knows best, if you dont believe them just ask them. NOT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decbell1 Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 I assume that the IHSWCA has always been scoring the state tournament with Friday night included. It never crossed my mind that we would have to throw Friday out. How does that work then with scoring 8 places? I assume we would still just give 1 point to each wrestler that won Friday night (since they would be guaranteed 8th place). Weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlevito Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 Just another point of how the IHSAA does not care about the kids or the sports. And not just in wrestling but across all sports. All they care about is what is going in their pockets. If a wrestler wins a match, then they should be earning team points, at this level every point counts for a team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B1G MAN Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 so if a kid busts his butt to get the major/tech/fall on friday night, there is no added reward? CRAP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Peck Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 At least the IHSAA is not the IOC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 According to the Winter bulletin they should score every match at state http://www.ihsaa.org/Portals/0/ihsaa/documents/quick%20resources/Winter%20Bulletin.pdf Scoring Individual and team scoring shall be decided according to Rule 9 in the current Wrestling Rules. Six places shall be awarded at the sectional. CONTINUING FROM 2009‐10 – Team scoring in the sectional shall begin at the quarter‐finals level and not before. Only six places shall be awarded at the regional and semi‐state levels. Scoring at the Regional and Semi‐State level will begin at the round of eight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indyt Posted February 12, 2013 Author Share Posted February 12, 2013 This makes the team championship so tainted. Whether we win it or not, someone is going to get screwed. Lets see, no wrestlebacks to make sure the best kids are going which helps with deep teams. No points being scored for team at every round. This tournament is so much based on luck of the draw and so many other factors such as scoring issues we are discussing that I really dont know how anyone could say that whatever team wins state this weekend was the IHSAA Team State Champions. It could really hurt teams with many kids making it thru which is a sign of a good team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indyt Posted February 12, 2013 Author Share Posted February 12, 2013 Joe, I hope you are right. I asked Faulkens to address it and I did get a return saying he would look into it. I know the bulletin says that but I specifically said the state tournament to him and he did not tell me it was being scored. . I also know he said he wanted every level to follow the same format as far as scoring. But, according to the bulletin, first round should score. It should have scored at the semi state as well but for some reason they came up with the new scoring system. I am just hoping for clarification. I emailed him again so if I get info I will post it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indyt Posted February 12, 2013 Author Share Posted February 12, 2013 Got the word from IHSAA. No scoring Friday night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlevito Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 That is horrible. I think now more than ever that members of the IHSWCA really needs to band together for our sport. The IHSAA has no clue, and doesn't even care to build our sport and make it grow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awood2 Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 IHSAA pulls another rabbit out of the hat : So coaches were never given input, and this goes against the print in the Winter Bulletin... I know someone will already, but would someone please post the final tally with, and without, the Friday night rounds being scored so we can compare when this is all over? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlevito Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 I'm just using PM as a reference point right now. But they had a chance to come out of Friday night with a team score of anywhere between 0-35 (pins, advancement, and 8th place points). Now they only have a chance to score 0-7. Again I'm just using PM cause I know they have seven wrestlers and it shows my point on how it is bad for any team in the race for 1st place this weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattM Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 It would be great it one of these days we actually received a rational explanation or some of these decisions that are made. I know its asking a lot. Seems like sometimes they make a decision based on what" looks" to be the standard (in this case same as sectionals) rather than actually analyzing the situation for the best choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgmotorfan Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 At least the IHSAA is not the IOC. whats the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabio Jr. Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 its ironic how we are comparing the ihsaa to the IOC when some of the wrestling population basically alllowed the IHSAA to take away team state.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smooth34 Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 This tournament is so much based on luck of the draw and so many other factors such as scoring issues we are discussing that I really dont know how anyone could say that whatever team wins state this weekend was the IHSAA Team State Champions. How can any team say they are Team State Champions this season with anything else? You can't use a regular season tournament (IHSWCA Duals) to declare an IHSAA Team State Champion. This is the hand we have been dealt and will have to deal with it....for now. Obviously the old, team-format was better. We need to work to get that back. I am hopeful that the IHSWCA Duals is a success and helps bring back the Team State tournament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 By not counting the Friday night matches in scoring, the IHSAA is essentially treating that round like a pigtail round. That is just plain sad and stupid..... I am a fan of the State Duals series, but I think that this could be just as exciting if it is done properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabio Jr. Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 i dunno about JUST AS exciting aj but if they are gonna do it this way at least do it right...by not scoring the first round we open up doubt...the exscuse we could have won if we scored friday night will be common place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Fabio, I grew up with wrestling when the state champinship was scored in the individual tournament scoring style. It was so exciting to me to see the scores scroll on the scoreboard and the jumbo trans.... Looking through the bracket and finding key matches that will effect the team scoring made the matches more intense because even more was riding on the match. It was very fun and exciting. If we have lost the duals, I hope that we can find a way to bring back that excitement and intense atmosphere that I enjoyed for so many years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabio Jr. Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Cant argue that logic...this will be my first state tournament under this format. For all i know it will be AMAZING...well it probably wont be but not because of that the first round thing is kind of a buzzkill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 the first round thing is kind of a buzzkill. I agree.... I can not even comprehend the logic of not scoring the first round of the STATE FINALS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Guru Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Got the word from IHSAA. No scoring Friday night. They are so out of touch. I don't get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestling Scholar Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Indiana is the only state I've ever not seen score a round. Like the round doesn't matter. What is the logic? Is someone trying to gerrymander a team state championship? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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