Y2CJ41 Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 http://www.indianamat.com/genius-ratings-version-1-0/2010/01/ What are ?Genius Ratings?? Indianamat.com?s ?Genius Ratings? are comprehensive computer ratings based on every match result presented in the results section of Indianamat.com?s discussion page, plus many other results gleaned from websites and coaches? sources. Even matches with out-of-state teams were considered when that team wrestled at least two Indiana opponents. Two Ratings The ?Genius Ratings? are made up of two separate ratings designed to serve two distinctly different purposes. One rating is called POTENTIAL and uses match scores only to rate all teams, disregarding wins and losses. The other rating is called REWARD and uses only wins and losses data, not considering scores at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decbell1 Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 This would be such a great tool and discussion piece if people would just post all of their results. If we could just get dual scores from every team in the state......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarlHungus Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 Outstanding work maligned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boot Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 Excellent work, very thorough. One question, how does it account for matches with out of state teams, or does it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decbell1 Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 Excellent work, very thorough. One question, how does it account for matches with out of state teams, or does it? I think that is in the explanation somewhere. I believe as long as an out-of-state team wrestled at least two Indiana teams, they were included into the rankings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maligned Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 This would be such a great tool and discussion piece if people would just post all of their results. If we could just get dual scores from every team in the state......... I completely agree, but I have to tell you I incorporated a TON of results. On average, every team has more than 30 distinctly different results. Obviously there are a few that don't have great results available, but there's definitely enough to make both ratings at least as accurate as any rating system currently in place for college football (11-13 results), for example. Especially for POTENTIAL, all I have to have is 4 or 5 solid score results before they are slotted well because of how the interconnectedness of the system works. Your quality gets revealed pretty quickly as long as you don't wrestle five top-10 teams or five bottom-10 teams. It's just the SOS data that suffers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maligned Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 Excellent work, very thorough. One question, how does it account for matches with out of state teams, or does it? Yes. About 15 out-of-state teams' results are used to help with connectedness between teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m25443 Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 Fantastic work. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RankingsGuy Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 Awesome job Maligned, as a fan of statistics, I'm thoroughly impressed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starsaw Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 With Stats like these.... this is a great tool to use with AD's to help set up a more competitive schedule. Administrators do not like to see their schools name below other schools on any list! haha This is great stuff! Great Work! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattM Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 My head just hurts trying to wrap around all of this information. I can fathom how much thought and compiling it took to get this far. Thanks for the efforts and good luck on keeping up with everything in the future. It looks like a huge project to keep together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boot Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 Yes. About 15 out-of-state teams' results are used to help with connectedness between teams. How, or did, they factor in to strength of schedule? I can't imagine trying to put together something of this magnitude, I'm still in awe a little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maligned Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 How, or did, they factor in to strength of schedule? I can't imagine trying to put together something of this magnitude, I'm still in awe a little. Yes, they did. I just didn't include them in the list. So teams that wrestled Farmington, MO, or Ryle or Trinity from KY, for example, have a higher SOS than they would have had. They had to do well against those teams, though, to see any benefit in their ranking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maligned Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 My head just hurts trying to wrap around all of this information. I can fathom how much thought and compiling it took to get this far. Thanks for the efforts and good luck on keeping up with everything in the future. It looks like a huge project to keep together. It took less than 100 hours...I'll just say that and nothing more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
529 Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 Nice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscar Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 This is off the charts-- COOL!!!! My hat is off to you guys. Is individual rankings next?? Just kidding. Great job !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccbig Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 This is off the charts-- COOL!!!! My hat is off to you guys. Is individual rankings next?? Just kidding. Great job !! Imagine the hours that would take! Seriously, this is a great tool to have! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fearless fly Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 I like it... but I think Tipton should be 234th instead of 235th. What is the possibility that this could be done for all the individual wrestlers in the state? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bash513 Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 I like it... but I think Tipton should be 234th instead of 235th. What is the possibility that this could be done for all the individual wrestlers in the state? It probably wouldn't be "difficult" because it is all done using a computer program. It would be ridiculously time consuming to compile all of the data though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted January 28, 2010 Author Share Posted January 28, 2010 Well when you get about 1-5% of the results, very inaccurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinker1 Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 A system is available to automatically record and make available online all high school team and indinidual results. The "NWCA Live Scorebook" uses the already entered names from the the NWCA weight management program.(so it is ready for use by any program in Indiana) All Division I college wrestling programs are required by the NCAA to post results within 2 hours, and most all are using this program. The match score is kept on a laptop instead of a scorebook. It refreshes online every 30 seconds, so fans away from the site can follow the action. The program stores all the info and can produce individual stats and team stats. If all IHSAA wrestling schools used this system, stats would be easily obtained. Media or anyone interested could pull up win leaders, takedown leaders etc....and these power rating could be much more easily done. Plus the Live Scorebook has a feature that ties the scorebook with your video camera to webcast your matches for free. Check it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted January 28, 2010 Author Share Posted January 28, 2010 A system is available to automatically record and make available online all high school team and indinidual results. The "NWCA Live Scorebook" uses the already entered names from the the NWCA weight management program.(so it is ready for use by any program in Indiana) All Division I college wrestling programs are required by the NCAA to post results within 2 hours, and most all are using this program. The match score is kept on a laptop instead of a scorebook. It refreshes online every 30 seconds, so fans away from the site can follow the action. The program stores all the info and can produce individual stats and team stats. If all IHSAA wrestling schools used this system, stats would be easily obtained. Media or anyone interested could pull up win leaders, takedown leaders etc....and these power rating could be much more easily done. Plus the Live Scorebook has a feature that ties the scorebook with your video camera to webcast your matches for free. Check it out. I agree, but it would have to come down from the IHSAA for this to be mandated. We have enough trouble getting sectional brackets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maligned Posted January 29, 2010 Share Posted January 29, 2010 It probably wouldn't be "difficult" because it is all done using a computer program. It would be ridiculously time consuming to compile all of the data though... Yeah, the time consuming aspect is that ultimately there's no getting around manually entering cell numbers attached to each opponent's score differential or win/loss baseline. For individuals, this would mean manually entering 30 or more opponents' cell numbers per individual--something like 150,000 cells--into your spreadsheet. Even if you can do this at 5 seconds per entry with no errors, you're talking 200 hours to set it up...woops, the season's already over! It would almost have to be someone's full-time job from the beginning of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldcoach50 Posted January 29, 2010 Share Posted January 29, 2010 Interesting reading material. Well done. And, you are right. We ought to report our scores more . I personally have let that system down. We have beaten 4 or 5 schools above us, but is entirely coaches fault that we haven't reported. Still interesting. Thanks for your work and reporting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maligned Posted January 29, 2010 Share Posted January 29, 2010 It's not too late to make adjustments and incorporate them in the editions after sectionals and regionals. Just click on my name "maligned" in this reply and send me a personal message with your team and results. Or post them in the results section. Even if you're not sure of the scores, just tell me who you beat and I can incorporate the data into the REWARD version. Thanks. maligned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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