Y2CJ41 Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 I'm looking to increase participation in wrestling across the state and at the small school level in particular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabio Jr. Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 My arguement is more of a college coaching/recruiting standpoint, i should probably have also mentioned my stance is that of little vitos i just think the implication of such a change would be way to confusing for the dufus' running the IHSAA. I just want to see more Indiana Wrestlers get a chance to get paid for a great college experience somewhere big. Class wrestling may or may not be a solution to this we will never know until we try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midget5589 Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Im sure someone has said this already but it seems some people are ginving small schools everywhere an excuse on why they didnt go to state or semistate or whatever. would it be good for the sport to make the kid that is a small school guy that got fourth at sectionals to became a guy that goes to semistate or even state just because the competition left? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 midget5589, How do you feel about the 4th place finisher from regional advancing to semi-state? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAncientElder Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 I will answer for midget. He/she will probably get their butt dusted, but it keeps the number one from a regional from setting for two hours waiting for a match. And if they can pull off the upset, more power to them. But I have witnessed too many regional champs get beaten in the round to go because they were not warmed up. TheAncientElder (TAE) The Imperial Potentate and Grand Poobah of Classless wrestling in Indiana. I wear my Fez with pride. www.theancientelder.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 But won't adding four extra semi-state qualifiers at each weight water down what it means to be a semi-state qualifier? We are diluting our state tournament because we are adding 56 extra wrestlers to the semi-state level! That is an increase of 25% over the previous years! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldCoach Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 That's how coaches and wrestlers felt when the runner up was allowed to advance to the Regional and State. Before Semi-State of course. When it was felt then that a true champion was recognized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabio Jr. Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 I will answer for midget. He/she will probably get their butt dusted, but it keeps the number one from a regional from setting for two hours waiting for a match. And if they can pull off the upset, more power to them. But I have witnessed too many regional champs get beaten in the round to go because they were not warmed up. TheAncientElder (TAE) The Imperial Potentate and Grand Poobah of Classless wrestling in Indiana. I wear my Fez with pride. www.theancientelder.net maybe the number one seeds should have just worked harder....and warmed up..they must not have wanted to be a TRUE state champion only TRUE Sectional, regional and semi state champions can advance so we have just the state Semifinals to watch i solved it thank me later Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAncientElder Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 "maybe the number one seeds should have just worked harder....and warmed up..they must not have wanted to be a TRUE state champion only TRUE Sectional, regional and semi state champions can advance so we have just the state Semifinals to watch" Based on your logic then we revert back to "The Old School" of wrestling. This makes for smaller regionals, semi-states, and states since only the "TRUE" champions should advance. And OH YES thanks. TheAncientElder (TAE) The Imperial Potentate and Grand Poobah of Classless wrestling in Indiana. I wear my Fez with pride. www.theancientelder.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldCoach Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 By no way am I suggesting we go back to those days. Nay! I was only pointing out how badly changes were perceived then as changes are being perceived now. One setup suggestion for class made some time ago: 1) Have 4 classes 2) Only champion and runner-up advance out of Sectional and Regional 3) Eliminate the Semi-State 4) State finals would involve all four classes at same location Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin2win1 Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 So exactly how does class wrestling make indiana wrestlers better when it comes to college recruiting? Would it make Indiana recruiting better because the wrestlers themselves would be better? Or would it make indiana recruiting better? As for classes bumping up the participation level, I wonder if other sports in Indiana had a large jump in participants when Indiana went to classes in other sports. I still say lets class the team tourney and keep the individuals 1 class. However, if there would be a huge spike in the numbers of participants after that, then maybe classing individual state would be a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 A big mistake people are making is assuming that class wrestling is the reason why some of the states above us are doing better. The Ohio youth program is AWESOME. Our youth program likes to fight and bicker about tournaments and what organizations are running them. In Ohio, they just wrestle. We talk about the teams at the top, then what about the class wrestling states that are at the bottom of all the data? Why is this being ignored? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin2win1 Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 4) State finals would involve all four classes at same location Old Coach, if we did that we would have to add 2 hours to the finals introductions, though some might say this is a good thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 A big mistake people are making is assuming that class wrestling is the reason why some of the states above us are doing better. The Ohio youth program is AWESOME. Our youth program likes to fight and bicker about tournaments and what organizations are running them. In Ohio, they just wrestle. We talk about the teams at the top, then what about the class wrestling states that are at the bottom of all the data? Why is this being ignored? AJ, Why aren't you complaining about letting 56 more wrestlers qualify for semi-state? Its diluting what it means to be a semi-state qualifier. When I have a kid that qualifies for semi-state now I can say "well you aren't as tough as I was because I did it when the top 3 advanced." Isn't semi-state watered down now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Look at ALL of my posts on this topic. Not once have I complained about anything nor have I attacked the idea of class wrestling. I am not in favor of it, but I have not complained about it. I like the idea of taking 4 to semistate because I think it is ridiculous to have a bye in the first round of a state tournament series by design. If there was to be a bye, then it should go to semistate winners when they wrestle at state the following week. Do I think there will be many #4's winning at semistate, no I do not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 But isn't adding those extra qualifiers watering down what it means to be a semi-state qualifier? Yes or no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nutsdad Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 A big mistake people are making is assuming that class wrestling is the reason why some of the states above us are doing better. The Ohio youth program is AWESOME. Our youth program likes to fight and bicker about tournaments and what organizations are running them. In Ohio, they just wrestle. We talk about the teams at the top, then what about the class wrestling states that are at the bottom of all the data? Why is this being ignored? AJ, Why aren't you complaining about letting 56 more wrestlers qualify for semi-state? Its diluting what it means to be a semi-state qualifier. When I have a kid that qualifies for semi-state now I can say "well you aren't as tough as I was because I did it when the top 3 advanced." Isn't semi-state watered down now? Is that not what "hasbeens" say now about when only 2 came out of sectionals!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin2win1 Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Merrilville would not be able to handle the extra fans of the 56 wrestlers, heck the 56 wrestlers themselves probally be too many people in that gym Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Watering it down.. I guess YES would be my answer even though I do not use that argument against class wrestling. Evening out the tournament series into nice even numbers is worth it. Maybe it is just a complex or disorder that I have? :-\ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 I think that disorder is called Anti-Y2CJitis, the symptoms including arguing against anything Y2CJ41 says! I could say this pen is blue and you'd argue that it isn't:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 I agree with you on everything except class wrestling, eliminating 103, and the notion that you are overall better at pick'em. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarlHungus Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 I agree with you on everything except class wrestling, eliminating 103, and the notion that you are overall better at pick'em. He has problems accepting the pick 'em part with a lot of folks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 You made me laugh, so wahoo to you KarlHungus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattM Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 I think that disorder is called Anti-Y2CJitis, the symptoms including arguing against anything Y2CJ41 says! I could say this pen is blue and you'd argue that it isn't:) Is there a pill I can take for that one. I'm sure it will be a hard one to swollow if it does exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 I could say this pen is blue and you'd argue that it isn't:) Considering I can not nor could not see the pen, I would have to take your word that it was blue, even deep down I would think it was red! ;D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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