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    Rookies03 got a reaction from Matthew Nelson in Let's shake things up--new rules ideas   
    So maybe I'm not explaining my view very well.  106 generally has one of the highest forfeit rates.  A lot of schools just try to find any kid who weighs less than 106 (usually a freshman who hasn't started growing yet) to get forfeits.  If we started at 113 and added a weight in the middle or upper weights now that Varsity spot would be filled by a bigger and in a lot of cases a more "varsity" ready athlete.  
    And to answer your questions...
    If they’re great, why throw them on jv? Not throwing them on JV.  If they are a JV level wrestler then yes they could be great at the JV level (maybe this is a philosophical difference as I don't see greatness measured in Ws and Ls but rather everything else gained from being a wrestler - hard work, dedication, sacrifice, discipline, etc.  You can achieve greatness in these areas without being a state placer or champ).  Putting a 100 lb kid with no muscle tone on varsity seems more like throwing them on varsity rather than throwing them on JV if they are truly JV caliber.
    Would you rather have guys like Cernus and Cottey on jv? No. They would most likely be on varsity just at 113.  They could cut less weight and I'm pretty sure they would still be great.  
    What I would really rather see is upper classman get more opportunities to be a varsity athlete.  100 lb freshman getting to be a varsity athlete because he is the only one that weighs less than 106 over a junior or senior who is a back up wrestler in the middle or upper weights but is still pretty good.  
     
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    Rookies03 got a reaction from backtothemat in If the IHSAA only cares about the Champion...   
    On the IHSAA Website in their yearbooks it gives a detail to each sports attendance and revenue.  The last yearbook is the 2000-2001 season but here are some interesting numbers...
    4th in Participation (Behind Football, Track and Baseball)
    4th in Tournament Attendance (behind Football, Boys Basketball, Girls Basketball)
    $162,000 in revenue for entire state tournament (to compare girls basketball was $192k with more than double the attendance)
    To echo XCard, I think the IHSAA values wrestling and the tournament but are less interested in making significant adjustments to the format that might only impact a small percentage of the wrestlers.  How many 5th place finishers at state each year are truly in the top 4 but got a bad draw?  Maybe a couple of kids each year?  The IHSAA is not going to make a significant change to the tournament for a couple of kids each year.  
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    Rookies03 got a reaction from Kookie953 in Congratulations forum for making it through the season withoug a major class post on class wrestling   
    When coaches can see how cross training can help their athletes then everyone wins.  A week at Disney Duals wont take away from summer football and probably helps make them better football players.  All it takes is a little communication and working together for a kids to be successful as a multi-sport athlete.  Not gonna say it is easy but coaches working together is a big deal.
    And Kudos for Coach Snyder and all the other coaches that promote being a multisport athlete!
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    Rookies03 got a reaction from XCard in If the IHSAA only cares about the Champion...   
    On the IHSAA Website in their yearbooks it gives a detail to each sports attendance and revenue.  The last yearbook is the 2000-2001 season but here are some interesting numbers...
    4th in Participation (Behind Football, Track and Baseball)
    4th in Tournament Attendance (behind Football, Boys Basketball, Girls Basketball)
    $162,000 in revenue for entire state tournament (to compare girls basketball was $192k with more than double the attendance)
    To echo XCard, I think the IHSAA values wrestling and the tournament but are less interested in making significant adjustments to the format that might only impact a small percentage of the wrestlers.  How many 5th place finishers at state each year are truly in the top 4 but got a bad draw?  Maybe a couple of kids each year?  The IHSAA is not going to make a significant change to the tournament for a couple of kids each year.  
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    Rookies03 got a reaction from Kookie953 in Congratulations forum for making it through the season withoug a major class post on class wrestling   
    Absolutely.... 
    Many of the challenges kids have to being great in wrestling happen to coincide with small schools but big schools aren't necessarily immune to challenges.  They are just different challenges.
    Ben Davis, Pike and Fishers (3 of the biggest HS in the State) had 3 SQ combined.  Oak Hill, Western, Wawasee, Jimtown all had 3 each.  
    All that being said school size is probably the best way to divide schools into classes.  I would just be a bigger supporter of an "all-in" team state tournament series vs changing the individual tournament.
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    Rookies03 got a reaction from piscis1956 in Wrestlebacks question   
    Obviously a very big topic this time of year.... just some thoughts on wrestlebacks at each level.
    Sectional - we have them after the pigtail matches.  So as long as kids are seeded correctly and non-seeded kids are placed in pigtail rounds I think this is a good way to run the Sectional.
    Regional - You wrestle your way into your seed from Sectional and since only 2 Sectionals feed into a Regional there is no luck of the draw. Keep the same.
    Semi-State - Biggest opportunity for wrestlebacks but if you only do wrestlebacks after the 1st round then people will start asking for wrestlebacks all the way through and 16 man brackets cant be run in 1 day without running into the 5 match rule.  Also most of the time the Semi State is wrapping up in the evening.  To add Wrestlebacks might only add a couple hours but that means the event is going until late evening and the length of Saturdays is a big discussion regarding what is killing the sport (I know this applys much less cause most of these kids and families would gladly stay longer at this level but its still an issue).  There also might not be the support of the HS admins as this would mean kids out on roads later in Feb when weather could be an issue and some are traveling 1-2 hours to get to their SS. There will always be bad draws and upsets.  I say leave it the same.
    State - While it might not seem as if time would be an issue with the big break taken before the finals I dont think that break can be eliminated as they clear out BLF and re-admit everyone but there is more of an opportunity at State because it is 2 days.  All that being said, I don't necessarily see the value.  It might help with some recruitment but as out of season tournaments are becoming bigger and bigger with more and more coverage from flo and others I only see this helping a very few and the IHSAA isnt going to change for just a few.
     
    All in all it probably makes the most sense to look at WB for semi-state but time and matches make it the most difficult to implement.  Plus we wouldnt get the 7 page thread on "death draws" and "need for wrestlback" in the forum to keep us entertained the week before SS!
     
     
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    Rookies03 got a reaction from base in Wrestlebacks question   
    Obviously a very big topic this time of year.... just some thoughts on wrestlebacks at each level.
    Sectional - we have them after the pigtail matches.  So as long as kids are seeded correctly and non-seeded kids are placed in pigtail rounds I think this is a good way to run the Sectional.
    Regional - You wrestle your way into your seed from Sectional and since only 2 Sectionals feed into a Regional there is no luck of the draw. Keep the same.
    Semi-State - Biggest opportunity for wrestlebacks but if you only do wrestlebacks after the 1st round then people will start asking for wrestlebacks all the way through and 16 man brackets cant be run in 1 day without running into the 5 match rule.  Also most of the time the Semi State is wrapping up in the evening.  To add Wrestlebacks might only add a couple hours but that means the event is going until late evening and the length of Saturdays is a big discussion regarding what is killing the sport (I know this applys much less cause most of these kids and families would gladly stay longer at this level but its still an issue).  There also might not be the support of the HS admins as this would mean kids out on roads later in Feb when weather could be an issue and some are traveling 1-2 hours to get to their SS. There will always be bad draws and upsets.  I say leave it the same.
    State - While it might not seem as if time would be an issue with the big break taken before the finals I dont think that break can be eliminated as they clear out BLF and re-admit everyone but there is more of an opportunity at State because it is 2 days.  All that being said, I don't necessarily see the value.  It might help with some recruitment but as out of season tournaments are becoming bigger and bigger with more and more coverage from flo and others I only see this helping a very few and the IHSAA isnt going to change for just a few.
     
    All in all it probably makes the most sense to look at WB for semi-state but time and matches make it the most difficult to implement.  Plus we wouldnt get the 7 page thread on "death draws" and "need for wrestlback" in the forum to keep us entertained the week before SS!
     
     
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    Rookies03 got a reaction from runner-up in Rules question   
    Tournament match scoring errors:
    A recordable error must be corrected prior to the offended wrestler leaving the mat area if additional wrestling is necessary (Mat Area: Rule 2-1-5: the wrestling mat plus 10 feet). Otherwise, when additional wrestling is NOT necessary, the offended wrestler or coach must remain in the mat area.
    A computational error must be corrected prior to the next match in which either wrestler competes. Again, if additional wrestling is necessary, it must be corrected prior to the offended wrestler leaving the mat area.
    I would consider this to be a computational error as the adding up of points was not correctly determined during the action.  Therefore, this could have been corrected if determined prior to either wrestler wrestling their next match since the error would not have required re-wrestling.  
    Now maybe the referee, scorer and coaches could not determine that a computation error occurred (they couldnt specifically remember the score and situation) however if they could then it could have been corrected.
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    Rookies03 got a reaction from base in Carmel Disciplined for Sauna Suits   
    I believe that all of this was known at the seeding meeting on Monday but the coaches did the right thing and seeded wrestlers as they should have been seeded. A big kudos to those coaches for the doing the right thing!
     
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    Rookies03 got a reaction from SWINfan in Brackets from the Past   
    As Maligned said, these are more examples of what the wrestlers did AFTER the year they were in this bracket.  What is the most accomplished bracket coming into the state tournament?
    For Example 126 last year:
    Garcia - 1x champ, 1x 3rd place
    Rooks - 1x champ
    Viduya - 1x champ
    Mills - 2x 2nd and 1x 3rd
    Mejia - 1x 2nd, 1x 5th
    Poynter - 1x 4th
    Demien - 1x 7
    Smiley - 1x 8
    3 Crowns and 9 medals going in....  I am sure there are other examples from past years.
     
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    Rookies03 got a reaction from Jayruss in 2017 vs. 2018   
    this is just for fun so dont beat me up too bad....  I just picked 2 for each final and winner not taking into account the random draw.
    106 - Red 13 over Micic 12 (the super frosh wins the first battle of these 2)
    113 - Micic 13 over Cummings 16
    120 - Red 14 over Hudkins 15
    126 - Micic 14 over Red 15 (the senior gets the win)
    132 - Lee 15 over Red 16 (a healthy Lee takes this hypothetical re-match)
    138 - Lee 16 over Black 17
    145 - Tsirtsis 12 over Lee 16/Lee 17 (Big Semifinal match)
    152 - Lee over Lee (rematch of 145 semi final)*
    160 - Hughes 15 over Covaciu 16
    170 - Stevenson 13 over Hughes 16
    182 - Rypel 16 over Lynde 12
    195 - Davidson 17 vs Sliga 13 vs Rypel 15 (couldn't pick a winner here)
    220 - Parris 18 over Robinson 14
    285 - Streck 16 over Bernard 14
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    Rookies03 got a reaction from Matdad in The next Kris Rumph???   
    No one knows cause they probably aren't wrestling yet. LOL
    In all seriousness, its very hard to predict the same level of success as Rumph but to look at kids who can maybe qualify or place at state with not much wrestling experience other than HS might be possible.  I know its not a "next" guy but I thought I heard Guerrier from Ev Cent didnt start till HS and ended up 4th this year.
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    Rookies03 got a reaction from JoshMed in Sprinting to get seats   
    I agree... State is so much fun when a whole section is cheering together.  I wonder if IHSAA or Bankers Life could designate 1 or 2 sections in the lower level as "No Seat Saving" sections.  Maybe the corner sections that can see all the mats but aren't the best seats.  Most big groups would obviously avoid these sections since they can't save and give family, friends or small schools a chance to get a good seat.  Of course it would be first come first serve but could open up seats without that much extra work.  
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    Rookies03 got a reaction from awood2 in Dodging matchups   
    Very interesting the topic is posted this week and today there were a bunch of match ups between top ranked wrestlers. 
     
    106 #1 Moran vs #3 Bailey
    160 #2 Lemley vs #3 Mappes
    138 #2 Rumph vs #3 Melloh
    195 #1 Davidson vs #3 Penola
    152 #3 Washington vs #3 Slivka (145)
    170 #3 Brewer vs #8 Carson
    Looks like not much dodging today
     
     
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    Rookies03 got a reaction from MOWrestler in Dodging matchups   
    Very interesting the topic is posted this week and today there were a bunch of match ups between top ranked wrestlers. 
     
    106 #1 Moran vs #3 Bailey
    160 #2 Lemley vs #3 Mappes
    138 #2 Rumph vs #3 Melloh
    195 #1 Davidson vs #3 Penola
    152 #3 Washington vs #3 Slivka (145)
    170 #3 Brewer vs #8 Carson
    Looks like not much dodging today
     
     
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    Rookies03 got a reaction from FCFIGHTER170 in Dodging matchups   
    Very interesting the topic is posted this week and today there were a bunch of match ups between top ranked wrestlers. 
     
    106 #1 Moran vs #3 Bailey
    160 #2 Lemley vs #3 Mappes
    138 #2 Rumph vs #3 Melloh
    195 #1 Davidson vs #3 Penola
    152 #3 Washington vs #3 Slivka (145)
    170 #3 Brewer vs #8 Carson
    Looks like not much dodging today
     
     
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    Rookies03 reacted to Dwilly in here is the link to watch black vs rumph   
    Watched without sound, and came away 12-11 Black.  Great match.
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    Rookies03 got a reaction from runner-up in Folkstyle state injuries vs. ihsaa state   
    Serious question... Don't most kids have a pretty intense practice for about 2 hours every day? 15 mins might be a little quick but I'm not sure it is putting kids at anymore risk of getting hurt. Maybe it does.
     
    And I would never want to put anything in front of safety but one of the biggest things people complain about is length of events. If the time limit was increased to 30-45 mins would the event have gone on much longer?
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    Rookies03 got a reaction from Coach Nieman in Impressive Runs of the 2015-16 Season   
    Irick taking 3rd after drawing Davidson Friday night was another impressive run.
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    Rookies03 got a reaction from 800lbs Gorilla Mama in Impressive Runs of the 2015-16 Season   
    Irick taking 3rd after drawing Davidson Friday night was another impressive run.
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    Rookies03 got a reaction from FWwrestling1996 in Impressive Runs of the 2015-16 Season   
    Irick taking 3rd after drawing Davidson Friday night was another impressive run.
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    Rookies03 got a reaction from Bruins2013 in 132 Classic   
    I wish CJ had shook hands before celebrating. I have no problem with celebrating a state title let alone a 4x undefeated HS career but just wish he would have done it after the handshake and after his hand was raised. But he is still a kid and his emotions were high after the match so I can understand it.
     
    All that being said what a phenomenal wrestling match! It absolutely lived up to the hype with both wrestlers getting put to their back. Amazing! Hats off to both wrestlers. You are both champions and wrestled like it on Saturday.
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    Rookies03 got a reaction from BigCardinal141 in You be the ref... was this an escape?   
    Most refs will not award an escape if the wrestler in control maintains both hands around the leg tight. If the hands come off or are just loosely holding on at any point then the ref will usually "hold" the escape until the situation ends in case a reversal happens. Even if the offensive wrestler regains control of the leg the escape is still usually given unless the offensive wrestler regains complete control.
     
    These are obviously tough situations as kids are getting better and better at scrambling.
     
    And I am not giving my opinion as to whether or not the escape should have been called but rather just offering some insight as to how these situations get called. Hope it helps a little.
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    Rookies03 got a reaction from FWwrestling1996 in Fort Wayne 170 finals   
    For those that weren't there IMO the crowd ruined this match more than the ref. Adults from both sides were pretty ridiculous yelling for stall calls. Regardless if the stall calls were correct or not the "adults" in the stands need to set a better example and root for their wrestler vs rooting against his opponent.
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    Rookies03 got a reaction from Caleb Spires in Fort Wayne 170 finals   
    For those that weren't there IMO the crowd ruined this match more than the ref. Adults from both sides were pretty ridiculous yelling for stall calls. Regardless if the stall calls were correct or not the "adults" in the stands need to set a better example and root for their wrestler vs rooting against his opponent.
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