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    runner-up got a reaction from Dingo Brigade in Sarah Hildebrandt going for GOLD at the world championships!!   
    Let's go Sarah! Going for gold today. As the kids are saying these days: let's go get that bread!
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    runner-up reacted to wrestlerdad in Eagle Fitness Challenge   
    Hey guys!  Wanna see where your conditioning is at the beginning of the season?  Come out to South Putnam on Saturday, November 3 at 10:00am for the first annual Eagle Fitness Challenge!  A 5k run, pushup challenge, dumbell carry, wieghted rope pull, lunges, and burpees...any one of these individually would be no problem, but all of them in succession will test your conditioning!  Here is a flyer.  If you have questions, please let me know!!
    EAGLE FITNESS CHALLENGE Flyer.docx
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    runner-up got a reaction from MD92 in Wow - Fattore pinned himself!   
    I am having the same issue. I was wandering how close this call was.
    I will say, I see a lot of folks on here calling out officials today. I was fortunate enough to advance my career past high school and wrestled Divison III for 4 years. After that, I was lucky enough to get as an assistant coach with a program with an experienced high school coach. There we sent multiple kids to the state tournament and I was privileged to coach under the spot light. I got out of coaching and made the leap into officiating leap this past fall. I passed he took the certification test with 98 %, spent about 10-12 hours in class with experienced officials going over the rules and interpretations before the season started. I’ve read and reread through the rule book and case book, annotating each page. I search YouTube and FloWrestling for tough calls and try to figure out my rational for how I would call it. I’ve attended every official association meeting where we discussed some of the tricky situations we’ve seen and participated in countless debates about how the rules are interpreted and applied. I thought I was ready to be a great official.
    Guess what...it is very hard. I’ve blown some calls this year. All the preparation, decades of competition and coaching, and a dedication doesn’t make me a perfect official. I don’t diserve to be out there with a whistle today. I haven’t earned it yet.
    The guys that are officiating today are Indiana’s best. They have decades of reffing experience and know the rules better than 99.9 % of the coaches, wrestlers and fans. They aren’t perfect, but they are the best we have.
    Officials don’t want to be part of the match. They want to award points, raise  some hands, prevent any injuries and get back home to their families.
    Matches at this level are tough to call. Rewrestle the 138 pound semi finals 3 more times and I bet you’d come up with atleast 2 more different results.
    Cut these guys some slack and thank them for their hard work, dedication, and willingness to step out there and make the tough calls that only a small number of people are qualified to make.
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    runner-up got a reaction from AuHoosier17 in Melloh and Mulkey   
    If you rewatch the match, he snaps him to the mat but doesn’t make any attempts to score off of it (i.e. get to a point where he could secure a takedown). The casebook shows an example were this could be called stalling: 6.4a:
    “Typical holds/maneuvers contributing to stalling in the neutral position are: 
    a) Upper body tie-ups with no attempt to take down the opponent.”
    Per the rulebook, overtime is just the continuation of the match (rule 7-2) so normal rules would apply. The difference would take place in the ultimate tiebreaker. The offensive wrestler scores here by preventing the defensive wrestler from scoring. So riding a spiral ride with no attempt to breakdown or turn the opponent shouldn’t be penalized.
    The casebook does reference a similar situation for the stall call that would favor the Mulkey fans: 7.6.6 Situation B:
    “Should stalling be called in the following situations? A) In a neutral position, Wrestler A attempts a takedown and is stopped by Wrestler B who applies a legal front headlock. Wrestler B does not use the headlock to attempt to score a takedown but maintains the headlock....Ruling: In [this situation] Wrestler B has created a stalemate situation to avoid being scored upon. Repeating the same action to create a stalemate situation without using it in an attempt to score would be stalling on Wrestler B.”
    The question here would be did Mulkey snap Melloh into the headlock, or did he apply it in an attempt to defend a shot. If the later, than no stalling should be called per the ruling above (as it should have been called a stalemate the first time it happened). But if Mulkey initiates the front headlock, then I can see how a stall call could be argued. I also acknowledge that a simple stalemate could have been called as well. 
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    runner-up got a reaction from TCCender in Melloh and Mulkey   
    You’ll have to watch it on Track. I tired to upload some footage but couldn’t make it work.
    I’ll describe as best as I can.
    Situation: Tied 1-1 heading into second overtime. Melloh takes down and Mulkey rides a spiral and follows the whole time. Mulkey goes down for the second 30s. Melloh cuts him making it 2-1. 
    Period starts and Mulkey immediately snaps Melloh into a standing front head lock and locks his hands at the armpit, not attempting to score. He snaps him down a few times, but they come right back up to their feet.
    At 20 left, the announcer acknowledges that Mulkey appears to be stalling as Melloh continues to fight into him (front head still locked up tight). He said something along the lines of “Mulkey will just try to hold on here, with a couple of stalls left to give.” The announcer doesn’t realize both wrestlers were warned for stalling in the 3rd period, so a stall call would result in 1 point.
    Mulkey snaps Melloh down to the mat with about 12 seconds left and continues to just hold tight. As Melloh fights, the ref penalizes Mulkey for stalling with about 5 seconds left and they stay in that same position until time runs out.
    If you are a Brownsburg guy, I get being mad: your wrestler was in an offensive position (controlling the front head). But I get the argument that Mulkey was stalling. He wasn’t working to score. He was attempting to hold on.
    It is a tough call. A lot of refs would be afraid to make that kind of call.
     
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    runner-up reacted to Darrick Snyder in Melloh and Mulkey   
    1.) Congrats to Cathedral.  I’m not sure anyone who hasn’t been through it truly understands how hard it is to win an Individual State Title let alone a Team State Championship. 
    2.) I didn’t cuss or anything like that.  I was booted and deserved to be because I left the mat and came back screaming again.  I was told that by Mr. Faulkens.  
    3.)  I know I shouldn’t have come back on the mat.  Thanks to him for allowing me to stay in back of venue.  I lost it and would hope I could keep my compusure in the future.  I’ve never been tossed out before that I remember.  I deserved it.  I’ve already told my assistants to pull me from the mat.  I don’t see this situation repeating itself, though   
    4.) I am not ever going to sacrifice a kid’s dream of a state title.  Brayton Lee is the ONLY kid I have ever coached that I told I must have bonus points from at Individual State.  Probably the first and last.  He’s special. I never worried about my actions causing a team title.  We are a family here.  I was able to meet with my team since Mr. Faulkens allowed me To stay in the venue.  I told them I was sorry I was unable to corner them.  (FYI I don’t corner BLee.  Ayersman negotiated that.)  Lol.  Immediately, Nathan Walton said, “Coach you have prepared us and we would want you to do the same thing for each of us.”
    5.) I was out of control and returned to the mat after waking off.  That equals getting tossed.  I have no issue with it.  Most people hate me.  That fuels me and our program.  I have enough friends and I’m not looking to win a popularity contest.  As long as the Mishawaka And Brownsburg Wrestlers and fans love me that’s what I care about. Talk to them.  I have 100% administrative support here, which I have never had before.  
    6.) Why did I lose it even though i shouldn’t have?  It is NOT an opinion or judgement call.  In the casebook - look it up - it literally says the front-headlock position is a stalemate. It’s cut and dry. Not debatable.  It was the wrong call.  Period.  Doesn’t matter if we were snapping or trying to score.  Makes no difference.  Says stalemate.  Watch the film. Blake is my guy.  He is facing me in 30 second OT. Im snapping to mat.  He does exactly what I tell him to do.  I know the rules.  Then, it costs him a chance for his state title.  I care about my wrestlers.  Our system is messed up.  I could not care less about a team title then.  I care about Blake and his goal.  If he and they win, we win.
    7.) It is what it is.  Cathedral was freaking impressive. Blake’s opponent is a stud and seems like an outstanding young man. Just like Blake.   
    I probably shouldn’t post, but I will. Discussing wrestling I think is good for our sport and my thoughts are always open for anyone.  
     
    Snyder 
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    runner-up got a reaction from Thiery in Melloh and Mulkey   
    I tried, too long of a video for the site I guess. I tried to describe the call in question as best I could im a previous comment. 
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    runner-up got a reaction from boilergrappler in Blake Mauer's Play by Play   
    Great informative commentary from one of Indiana’s finest wrestlers and youth coaches.
    I agree. It is a nice change of pace from years past.
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    runner-up reacted to SWINfan in Melloh and Mulkey   
    That's a little different than a guy that graduated from a school half a century ago (approx lol).  I get the basic concern though.  I just don't think it had anything to do  with the call.  NONE of us do as no one else in his head.  
    I can say this, and I'm sure I'll get hammered for it, but I'll bet any officials will agree with me.  Again, I haven't officiated a game (I did baseball) in 25 years.  But I can say that as an official you are working as hard as you can to get each call right and when you are in the middle of a close call your mind isn't thinking about which team is which.  It's only after the action stops do you process things.  
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    runner-up got a reaction from piscis1956 in Melloh and Mulkey   
    You’ll have to watch it on Track. I tired to upload some footage but couldn’t make it work.
    I’ll describe as best as I can.
    Situation: Tied 1-1 heading into second overtime. Melloh takes down and Mulkey rides a spiral and follows the whole time. Mulkey goes down for the second 30s. Melloh cuts him making it 2-1. 
    Period starts and Mulkey immediately snaps Melloh into a standing front head lock and locks his hands at the armpit, not attempting to score. He snaps him down a few times, but they come right back up to their feet.
    At 20 left, the announcer acknowledges that Mulkey appears to be stalling as Melloh continues to fight into him (front head still locked up tight). He said something along the lines of “Mulkey will just try to hold on here, with a couple of stalls left to give.” The announcer doesn’t realize both wrestlers were warned for stalling in the 3rd period, so a stall call would result in 1 point.
    Mulkey snaps Melloh down to the mat with about 12 seconds left and continues to just hold tight. As Melloh fights, the ref penalizes Mulkey for stalling with about 5 seconds left and they stay in that same position until time runs out.
    If you are a Brownsburg guy, I get being mad: your wrestler was in an offensive position (controlling the front head). But I get the argument that Mulkey was stalling. He wasn’t working to score. He was attempting to hold on.
    It is a tough call. A lot of refs would be afraid to make that kind of call.
     
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    runner-up got a reaction from base in Wow - Fattore pinned himself!   
    I am having the same issue. I was wandering how close this call was.
    I will say, I see a lot of folks on here calling out officials today. I was fortunate enough to advance my career past high school and wrestled Divison III for 4 years. After that, I was lucky enough to get as an assistant coach with a program with an experienced high school coach. There we sent multiple kids to the state tournament and I was privileged to coach under the spot light. I got out of coaching and made the leap into officiating leap this past fall. I passed he took the certification test with 98 %, spent about 10-12 hours in class with experienced officials going over the rules and interpretations before the season started. I’ve read and reread through the rule book and case book, annotating each page. I search YouTube and FloWrestling for tough calls and try to figure out my rational for how I would call it. I’ve attended every official association meeting where we discussed some of the tricky situations we’ve seen and participated in countless debates about how the rules are interpreted and applied. I thought I was ready to be a great official.
    Guess what...it is very hard. I’ve blown some calls this year. All the preparation, decades of competition and coaching, and a dedication doesn’t make me a perfect official. I don’t diserve to be out there with a whistle today. I haven’t earned it yet.
    The guys that are officiating today are Indiana’s best. They have decades of reffing experience and know the rules better than 99.9 % of the coaches, wrestlers and fans. They aren’t perfect, but they are the best we have.
    Officials don’t want to be part of the match. They want to award points, raise  some hands, prevent any injuries and get back home to their families.
    Matches at this level are tough to call. Rewrestle the 138 pound semi finals 3 more times and I bet you’d come up with atleast 2 more different results.
    Cut these guys some slack and thank them for their hard work, dedication, and willingness to step out there and make the tough calls that only a small number of people are qualified to make.
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    runner-up got a reaction from piscis1956 in Melloh and Mulkey   
    Didn’t see the call. Will rewatch the match on Track Wrestling. But I did see the aftermath. No matter how bad a call is, a coach can’t behave like that. 
    No questions about it. He needed to be thrown out and hit with misconduct. It sucks that he can’t coach his other kids and his team will be penalized, but you simply can’t respond like that.
    I’ve coached at tournaments run by Snyder and he has always seemed like a good guy. I imagine we will be seeing a sincere apology soon.
    Let this be a lesson to any wrestlers and coaches watching.
    You can’t react like that. You can’t lose your cool.
    Best of luck to both wrestlers for the remainder of the tournament and during their college careers.
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    runner-up got a reaction from Dingo Brigade in Blake Mauer's Play by Play   
    Great informative commentary from one of Indiana’s finest wrestlers and youth coaches.
    I agree. It is a nice change of pace from years past.
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    runner-up got a reaction from Powerline in Melloh and Mulkey   
    Even if you think you can be impartial, just the illusion of there being any bias is enough taint a match or duel for some fans or wrestlers.
    When I was in high school, we had a teacher who was also a wrestling official. I had no idea. He would make sure he would only take assignments that were not associated with us in any way. I never would have known, but we were added to a different tournament due to a weather related cancellation. He happened to have already been contracted for the tournament, but made sure he was not involved in any of our schools matches.
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    runner-up reacted to BrennanFan in Cathedral on FIRE   
    Yeah you're right. He's not in the running for the Brennan Cosgrove Trophy if that makes you feel any better. 
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    runner-up reacted to Fabio Jr. in Cathedral on FIRE   
    I wanna say a buncha woulda couldas no one is gonna keep up with Cathedral the way they are wrestling right now. Columbus East is going to need a Great finals round and some luck to have a shot.
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    runner-up got a reaction from Kookie953 in Melloh and Mulkey   
    Even if you think you can be impartial, just the illusion of there being any bias is enough taint a match or duel for some fans or wrestlers.
    When I was in high school, we had a teacher who was also a wrestling official. I had no idea. He would make sure he would only take assignments that were not associated with us in any way. I never would have known, but we were added to a different tournament due to a weather related cancellation. He happened to have already been contracted for the tournament, but made sure he was not involved in any of our schools matches.
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    runner-up got a reaction from Kookie953 in Melloh and Mulkey   
    If you rewatch the match, he snaps him to the mat but doesn’t make any attempts to score off of it (i.e. get to a point where he could secure a takedown). The casebook shows an example were this could be called stalling: 6.4a:
    “Typical holds/maneuvers contributing to stalling in the neutral position are: 
    a) Upper body tie-ups with no attempt to take down the opponent.”
    Per the rulebook, overtime is just the continuation of the match (rule 7-2) so normal rules would apply. The difference would take place in the ultimate tiebreaker. The offensive wrestler scores here by preventing the defensive wrestler from scoring. So riding a spiral ride with no attempt to breakdown or turn the opponent shouldn’t be penalized.
    The casebook does reference a similar situation for the stall call that would favor the Mulkey fans: 7.6.6 Situation B:
    “Should stalling be called in the following situations? A) In a neutral position, Wrestler A attempts a takedown and is stopped by Wrestler B who applies a legal front headlock. Wrestler B does not use the headlock to attempt to score a takedown but maintains the headlock....Ruling: In [this situation] Wrestler B has created a stalemate situation to avoid being scored upon. Repeating the same action to create a stalemate situation without using it in an attempt to score would be stalling on Wrestler B.”
    The question here would be did Mulkey snap Melloh into the headlock, or did he apply it in an attempt to defend a shot. If the later, than no stalling should be called per the ruling above (as it should have been called a stalemate the first time it happened). But if Mulkey initiates the front headlock, then I can see how a stall call could be argued. I also acknowledge that a simple stalemate could have been called as well. 
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    runner-up got a reaction from Pug in Melloh and Mulkey   
    If you rewatch the match, he snaps him to the mat but doesn’t make any attempts to score off of it (i.e. get to a point where he could secure a takedown). The casebook shows an example were this could be called stalling: 6.4a:
    “Typical holds/maneuvers contributing to stalling in the neutral position are: 
    a) Upper body tie-ups with no attempt to take down the opponent.”
    Per the rulebook, overtime is just the continuation of the match (rule 7-2) so normal rules would apply. The difference would take place in the ultimate tiebreaker. The offensive wrestler scores here by preventing the defensive wrestler from scoring. So riding a spiral ride with no attempt to breakdown or turn the opponent shouldn’t be penalized.
    The casebook does reference a similar situation for the stall call that would favor the Mulkey fans: 7.6.6 Situation B:
    “Should stalling be called in the following situations? A) In a neutral position, Wrestler A attempts a takedown and is stopped by Wrestler B who applies a legal front headlock. Wrestler B does not use the headlock to attempt to score a takedown but maintains the headlock....Ruling: In [this situation] Wrestler B has created a stalemate situation to avoid being scored upon. Repeating the same action to create a stalemate situation without using it in an attempt to score would be stalling on Wrestler B.”
    The question here would be did Mulkey snap Melloh into the headlock, or did he apply it in an attempt to defend a shot. If the later, than no stalling should be called per the ruling above (as it should have been called a stalemate the first time it happened). But if Mulkey initiates the front headlock, then I can see how a stall call could be argued. I also acknowledge that a simple stalemate could have been called as well. 
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    runner-up got a reaction from frigginhurts in Melloh and Mulkey   
    If you rewatch the match, he snaps him to the mat but doesn’t make any attempts to score off of it (i.e. get to a point where he could secure a takedown). The casebook shows an example were this could be called stalling: 6.4a:
    “Typical holds/maneuvers contributing to stalling in the neutral position are: 
    a) Upper body tie-ups with no attempt to take down the opponent.”
    Per the rulebook, overtime is just the continuation of the match (rule 7-2) so normal rules would apply. The difference would take place in the ultimate tiebreaker. The offensive wrestler scores here by preventing the defensive wrestler from scoring. So riding a spiral ride with no attempt to breakdown or turn the opponent shouldn’t be penalized.
    The casebook does reference a similar situation for the stall call that would favor the Mulkey fans: 7.6.6 Situation B:
    “Should stalling be called in the following situations? A) In a neutral position, Wrestler A attempts a takedown and is stopped by Wrestler B who applies a legal front headlock. Wrestler B does not use the headlock to attempt to score a takedown but maintains the headlock....Ruling: In [this situation] Wrestler B has created a stalemate situation to avoid being scored upon. Repeating the same action to create a stalemate situation without using it in an attempt to score would be stalling on Wrestler B.”
    The question here would be did Mulkey snap Melloh into the headlock, or did he apply it in an attempt to defend a shot. If the later, than no stalling should be called per the ruling above (as it should have been called a stalemate the first time it happened). But if Mulkey initiates the front headlock, then I can see how a stall call could be argued. I also acknowledge that a simple stalemate could have been called as well. 
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    runner-up reacted to Y2CJ41 in Wow - Fattore pinned himself!   
    Fattore was spotted warming up with Rader before the finals. Not sure I have ever seen two guys that just wrestled in the semi-finals warm up with each other.
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    runner-up reacted to GrecoISU in Wow - Fattore pinned himself!   
    Oh yeah?  That's 100% awesome.
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    runner-up reacted to BrodyHardcastle in Wow - Fattore pinned himself!   
    Awesome moment to see Fattore warm up rader before his finals
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    runner-up reacted to Wrestling Scholar in Wow - Fattore pinned himself!   
    How about this idea.  Maybe coaches could give some justice, and vote Fattore for mental attitude award.  Not sure  what defines mental attitude, but this kid has worked his butt off, and came up with the boggest screw, but he still showed great sportsmanship.  He really deserves it over anybody.
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    runner-up got a reaction from IndianaWrestlingGuy1 in Melloh and Mulkey   
    If you rewatch the match, he snaps him to the mat but doesn’t make any attempts to score off of it (i.e. get to a point where he could secure a takedown). The casebook shows an example were this could be called stalling: 6.4a:
    “Typical holds/maneuvers contributing to stalling in the neutral position are: 
    a) Upper body tie-ups with no attempt to take down the opponent.”
    Per the rulebook, overtime is just the continuation of the match (rule 7-2) so normal rules would apply. The difference would take place in the ultimate tiebreaker. The offensive wrestler scores here by preventing the defensive wrestler from scoring. So riding a spiral ride with no attempt to breakdown or turn the opponent shouldn’t be penalized.
    The casebook does reference a similar situation for the stall call that would favor the Mulkey fans: 7.6.6 Situation B:
    “Should stalling be called in the following situations? A) In a neutral position, Wrestler A attempts a takedown and is stopped by Wrestler B who applies a legal front headlock. Wrestler B does not use the headlock to attempt to score a takedown but maintains the headlock....Ruling: In [this situation] Wrestler B has created a stalemate situation to avoid being scored upon. Repeating the same action to create a stalemate situation without using it in an attempt to score would be stalling on Wrestler B.”
    The question here would be did Mulkey snap Melloh into the headlock, or did he apply it in an attempt to defend a shot. If the later, than no stalling should be called per the ruling above (as it should have been called a stalemate the first time it happened). But if Mulkey initiates the front headlock, then I can see how a stall call could be argued. I also acknowledge that a simple stalemate could have been called as well. 
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