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It was the Rochester Middle School Invitational held at Rochester High School.

It was the Rochester Middle School Invitational held at Rochester High School.

100% Huyvaert
Been a big fan of watching Brant Beck (Rochester) this year, also a sophomore.

Just a grateful post! Are we not blessed as fans, what a weekend! We seen a ton of indiana #1's go down, the 1st girl on the podium and Brownsburg take over as the new chiefs of the state! It is going to be a fun ride! 
 
As the season goes on i don't think we give enough credit to coaches, refs and media for their countless hours of devotion to the sport of wrestling for these kids! Can't thank you all enough! 
 
We do great at getting in an uproar with peoples post about how great their team is etc. Trying to get people worked up and hating. These kids that wrestle are all (typically) incredible athletes and better humans! They are competitive but grow a bond like no other sport. A prime example is crown point and bburg, we all know the history but what alot of people don't see is the bonds. Cp and burg kids love being around each other when not competing! We need to at times get better at not being upset with one side or the other because of ppl's post and just be excited indiana has nationally ranked teams! How great is it having 3 top 30 nationally ranked teams? I'm grateful for it and I'm grateful for how 99% of our athletes behave! Its truly something to be grateful for. 
 
Post on recruiting all the time, I know my 2 cents won't make a bit of difference but recruiting isn't a thing and I truly believe that people want to be a part of something special. When you have team cracking nationally ranked status and schedule kids and parents want to be a part of it and not only that typically these programs have coaches, community support and same goals. We all have heard saying about "if you are around 5 millionaires you will be the 6th" or "you are only as good as the people you surround yourself with"  field of dreams "if you build it, they will come". We have to stop hating on programs like the burg, cg and cp. They have all built it right and they come. Im grateful we can travel outside of the US and have teams competing nationally to be recognized in the country. 
 
Here is to freestyle season, let's get excited for lace season as my son says! Its a beautiful time of the year! Fargo is getting closer. Time for world team and fargo dreams! Grateful for opportunity. Good luck to all our summer athletes! 
 
Thank you to all you coaches, refs, media, Especially indianamat for all the countless hours and effort you put in to these kids to help make indiana wrestling better and the sport to grow! Let's all build! Grateful for you all! 
 
Congrats to all the athletes who competed this past weekend and if you didn't reach your goals time to get back to the drawing board and work, if you are graduating this sport will stick with you for the rest of your life and you are a better person for doing it! College or workforce will love you!
 
Keep your heads held high with pride, wrestling is life for all of us, but there is a bigger purpose for our life! Keep your eyes on the prize and hes got you! 
 
Thank you indiana wrestling 🙏 
 
 

The kids and families that made it. Earned it! The mental wear and tear on a wrestlers family is unknown to anyone who hasn’t done it. Adding this stress of tickets at the end of this long grind is a bunch of crap. We just need to pull together as a wrestling community. Please help eachother as much as possible. The kids parents and coaches have sacrificed sooo much, just to have the IHSAA roll out this thoughtless process and make us all stress more. I pledge if I get any extras, I will be sure to give them to a wrestlers family. Let’s keep the info coming as we learn and help everyone out.
 

I think they are just saying, "Hey this is weird. Why'd they do that?"  Not everything has to be some grand argument. Some people (self included) just notice failures in logic and it bothers them. Just have a rhyme or reason is all we ask!

I have been told there was a group of 18 the voted unanimously on these changes. There were coaches on this committee, but who they are is a mystery.

Rochester is far and away the best team in 1A this year and would make some serious noise in 2A.  As far as seeding went, West Central went into this tournament in a no-win situation.  I was honestly just hoping for a top four seed after edging out a banged up Rochester team at the Joe Burvan Duals.  If we would’ve been seeded below Rochester, I guarantee there wouldn’t be one West Central supporter complaining about that.  
WC belonged in the small gym all day long with the product we put on the mat today.  I do not post on Indianamat, I just look like thousands of others do.  

However, being from one of the smallest schools in the state, competing with the great programs we did today (and in 2014, 2015 and 2023), it’s always been humbling and great for us.  Congratulations to all teams that competed today. 
 
Nathan Williams
West Central Assistant Coach

We do not have a field house. We will have 4 mats in the main gym and two mats in the aux gym. There are bleachers in the main and aux gym for seating!

You and Kevin? (Wawasee I think) encouraged us to bribe you to win the clean room contest every morning.  You said you liked pizza and country music, so we ordered a pizza the night before, woke up early to warm it up, and put an “Achy Breaky Heart” cassette  on when you came in to judge.😂

Kind of funny how people are chiming in with their 2 cents, when they’ve done nothing to support or help grow women’s wrestling. Going from 2 state levels to 3 was necessary. Weight classes too full and not being able to finish some weight classes cause of daily match allowances. This Regional round will have minimal brackets, but it will setup for a better semi state for the girls. 

Agreed with Clint. If anything, it should boost WC into the top 4-5 discussion. Rochester has a great team and resume and shouldn’t be punished with their two blemishes, but WC should be rewarded for their win as well. 
 
WC is very solid at 1A from 120-150. 2 State Qualifiers, a SSQ, and several tough freshmen. 

I don't think it will change much, if any at all.  Rochester has wins over 3A #5 and a 2 point loss to 3A #10, who 3A #5 also beat.  We also have a dual win against 2A #7 and we have a tournament 1st place where we out placed 2A #8, 1A #6, and 1A #7.  West Central and Rochester went 7-7 in matches, they got one more fall (tougher team than they look on paper that is for sure).  They are also in the 1A Team State field.
 
Given our wins this year, I think those outweigh our 2 losses and we should be in the #1-#3 seed range.  I don't know who does the seeding...just my 2 cents.

We're not doing that today, okay?

Not many have a line-up 100%. Why do we always take that into account. You wrestle with the best you have available. Could you imagine if we did that with other sports? When someone loses its a loss and they drop in rankings. We shouldn't rank or seed teams for their potential line-up. Teams should be rewarded for having a solid replacement.

Since no one else wants to give this guy his flowers I will.  Ethan Dodson helped lead The Snider Panthers to the 5A Football State Championship this year.  Along the way he earned All State honors as a top 50 player in the state. All this after he committed to compete for the Air Force Academy Falcons next year.  He's an excellent student so I'm certain he'll make Academic All State as well.

Actually I do get a little salty when someone makes unnecessary comments about an area they don't have a clue about especially if they aren't around here trying to help. I don't need to do research, I live it every single day. Trust me on this, I know how it all works in the background with youth wrestlers and how schools are chosen. I hear things first hand and I wasn't being totally sarcastic. I think sooner or later things like that will have to happen in our area if we expect to compete at all on the team level.  
 
But... as Galagore said what truly is the goal of this sport? If those second stringers are that good then have them and their parents go to a smaller school and help build the culture there and get even more kids involved in the sport. If you are talking wrestlebacks and spreading out the talent pool then you need to do the research on what the wrestling community has been trying to do for decades. The bottom line is the IHSAA cares about 1 State Champion and making sure the population of wrestlers are spread out. They don't try to shift powerhouses to appease the greats and I don't disagree with that.
 
If it is so difficult there and easy here please feel free to let anyone know we would welcome everyone that would like to move to Northeast Indiana for the easy path but we would also appreciate help with coaching and building the area.
 

https://www.nfhs.org/articles/changes-in-high-school-wrestling-rules-include-allowance-of-six-matches-in-one-day-of-competition/
 
Biggest highlights include allowing six matches in one day and the rest time is now 30 minutes instead of 45 minutes between matches.
 

Beck stalled in match before, never called. Should have wrestled for 3/4. 

It really is even simpler for the IHSAA than some live reveal show and the bracket population after.  With there being 12 formula's it shouldn't be an issue if in fact they were all being used, it was done randomly, and then releases as the semi-state brackets a few days later rather than giving the formula out early (as use to occur).  The problems seems to be the IHSAA is only using some of the 12 possible formulas and the have started to follow a pretty noticeable pattern with the formulas used each year.  Not sure if its due to their laziness or whatever, but it is clearly starting to cause some concern. 
 
I don't blame some coaches for wanting to figure out the draw if the pattern has become that predictable.  The issue here though is since Regionals finish at different times there is a  window available for some to "game the system" of what final round placement would work best for them if they want to end up in one of the best semi-state pod to possibly advance. While a risky strategy without knowing full Regional results, it is still one I have heard some coaches suggest when faced with the alternative of an almost certain "death draw" to make it to state. 
 
No one wants to see the same pattern of "good" or "bad" semi-state draws every year due to certain very strong regionals always feeding in the same weight classes the same way.  And no one wants to even consider the idea of someone "gaming the system" to gain a semi-state bracket advantage.  Both of these are easily solved by the IHSAA take the time to truly randomize all 12 formulas to create the brackets.
 
I haven't done any research, but is this same exact pattern starting to show itself at the state level too?  Or has the IHSAA shown a little more attention to the state brackets with a truly randomized formula?

Talk about a nerve racking Sunday, before the internet.  I used to go out and get all of the Sunday papers and work through the formula.  
 
Biggest thing for me is we were able to figure out the "pattern" or at least notice what was happening.  Random should be random.  If my assistant can figure it out, then anyone can.  Tristan's going to make me pay for that!
 

Gard’s comment is what sparked my response because at the end of the day, to be the best you have to beat the best. I would take the comment I referenced from the wrestler to my grave and will certainly take your advice on elevating this to our AD and the IHSAA. The draw is the draw at this point, but it’d be nice to know that nobody outside the IHSAA knows the formula in advance.

Alert!!! 

160: #10 Beck (Rochester) dec #2 Farnell (Mac) 8-6

106.Juliana"Many Jewels"Ocampo
113. Karrington"Bentley Coupe" Cooper
120. Linkin"Go Harder" Carter
126. Hayden"The Beard" Brady
132. Easton"Super Duck" Doster
138. Camron "Killah Cam" Lapsley
145. Luke"Twenty Techniques" Teusch
152. Jackson "Rep My Squad" Todd
160. Chase "LunchPail"Leech
170. Easton "The Mat Genie" Arsini
182. D'Alcapon "T'Challa" Veazy
195. Mickey"David Banner" Daring
220. Julante''Da Hintman" Hinton
285. Parker"Gimme Mo" Hennessey