maligned Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 Here are the classification assignments for the 2014-15 State Duals. There are 312 schools--104 per class. There are several small changes from last year's assignments: --Muncie Southside and Muncie Central are combining into one school (called Muncie Central) for next year; that school becomes 3A for this list --Indianapolis Arlington out --Indiana Deaf and Lafayette Central Catholic in (both 1A) --Roncalli up to 3A (because of previous IHSAA misprint of their enrollment) --Northview down to 2A (because of shifting of other schools) --North Posey up to 2A (because of additions of smaller schools) We have one week until sectionals. PLEASE NOTIFY ME IMMEDIATELY if you know of another school consolidation or feel there is some error with this information. Even if a listed team does not bring an individual to sectional, they are entered in the IHSAA's entry list and will remain in their assigned classification. This information will be considered final once it is edited for the final time before sectional. 1 Ben Davis 4687 3A 2 Carmel 4685 3A 3 Warren Central 3589 3A 4 North Central 3402 3A 5 Penn 3401 3A 6 Lake Central 3271 3A 7 Pike 3031 3A 8 Hamilton Southeastern 3009 3A 9 Portage 2640 3A 10 Noblesville 2637 3A 11 Crown Point 2620 3A 12 Avon 2608 3A 13 Franklin Central 2586 3A 14 Fishers 2582 3A 15 Lawrence Central 2504 3A 16 Indianapolis Arsenal Tech 2398 3A 17 Center Grove 2387 3A 18 Brownsburg 2370 3A 19 Merrillville 2339 3A 20 Lawrence North 2309 3A 21 Homestead 2260 3A 22 Fort Wayne Northrop 2181 3A 23 Perry Meridian 2181 3A 24 Valparaiso 2178 3A 25 Warsaw 2138 3A 26 Southport 2107 3A 27 Jeffersonville 2080 3A 28 Carroll (Fort Wayne) 2051 3A 29 Columbus North 2034 3A 30 Chesterton 2019 3A 31 New Albany 2005 3A 32 Lafayette Jefferson 1935 3A 33 Terre Haute North 1929 3A 34 Decatur Central 1922 3A 35 Castle 1920 3A 36 LaPorte 1892 3A 37 Anderson 1884 3A 38 Kokomo 1879 3A 39 Fort Wayne Snider 1865 3A 40 Muncie Central 1842 3A 41 Westfield 1821 3A 42 Bloomington South 1813 3A 43 Goshen 1811 3A 44 McCutcheon 1809 3A 45 Zionsville 1808 3A 46 Terre Haute South 1805 3A 47 Michigan City 1802 3A 48 Elkhart Memorial 1793 3A 49 Huntington North 1750 3A 50 Elkhart Central 1745 3A 51 Harrison (WL) 1740 3A 52 South Bend Adams 1736 3A 53 Whiteland 1725 3A 54 Franklin Community 1713 3A 55 Fort Wayne North Side 1683 3A 56 Floyd Central 1660 3A 57 Bedford North Lawrence 1641 3A 58 Evansville North 1569 3A 59 Bloomington North 1563 3A 60 Munster 1560 3A 61 Martinsville 1550 3A 62 Concord 1523 3A 63 Richmond 1516 3A 64 Mishawaka 1514 3A 65 Fort Wayne Wayne 1504 3A 66 Jennings County 1496 3A 67 Plainfield 1489 3A 68 Fort Wayne South Side 1479 3A 69 Columbus East 1461 3A 70 Greenfield Central 1446 3A 71 Evansville Reitz 1373 3A 72 South Bend Clay 1372 3A 73 Evansville Central 1358 3A 74 East Central 1353 3A 75 Mooresville 1334 3A 76 Pendleton Heights 1316 3A 77 Northridge 1291 3A 78 Hobart 1278 3A 79 Logansport 1245 3A 80 East Chicago Central 1240 3A 81 Indianapolis Cathedral 1238 3A 82 Seymour 1235 3A 83 South Bend Riley 1230 3A 84 East Noble 1227 3A 85 South Bend Washington 1226 3A 86 Lowell 1220 3A 87 Evansville Harrison 1200 3A 88 Indianapolis Northwest 1191 3A 89 Hammond Morton 1185 3A 90 DeKalb 1171 3A 91 Gary Westside 1163 3A 92 Marion 1159 3A 93 Highland 1147 3A 94 Connersville 1142 3A 95 Greenwood 1136 3A 96 Roncalli 1127 3A 97 Mount Vernon (Fortville) 1119 3A 98 Jay County 1113 3A 99 Plymouth 1112 3A 100 New Castle 1108 3A 101 Shelbyville 1108 3A 102 New Palestine 1107 3A 103 Jasper 1099 3A 104 Evansville Mater Dei 493 3A 1 Northview 1087 2A 2 Columbia City 1086 2A 3 New Haven 1068 2A 4 Kankakee Valley 1054 2A 5 Lebanon 1049 2A 6 Bishop Dwenger 1025 2A 7 Madison 1022 2A 8 Angola 938 2A 9 Boonville 935 2A 10 Wawasee 933 2A 11 Leo 932 2A 12 Franklin County 916 2A 13 Scottsburg 914 2A 14 South Dearborn 900 2A 15 Griffith 898 2A 16 Hammond Clark 886 2A 17 South Bend St. Joseph 869 2A 18 New Prairie 865 2A 19 Owen Valley 858 2A 20 NorthWood 853 2A 21 Hammond Gavit 847 2A 22 Frankfort 837 2A 23 Beech Grove 824 2A 24 Danville 819 2A 25 Norwell 810 2A 26 Vincennes Lincoln 808 2A 27 Western 808 2A 28 Delta 803 2A 29 Culver Academies 797 2A 30 Rushville 792 2A 31 Mount Vernon (Posey) 787 2A 32 Yorktown 785 2A 33 Hammond 778 2A 34 Evansville Bosse 776 2A 35 Bellmont 772 2A 36 Gary Wallace 760 2A 37 Twin Lakes 760 2A 38 Evansville Memorial 752 2A 39 Edgewood 748 2A 40 Mississinewa 748 2A 41 Corydon Central 737 2A 42 Charlestown 736 2A 43 Batesville 732 2A 44 Washington 730 2A 45 Indianapolis Bishop Chatard 726 2A 46 West Lafayette 721 2A 47 Brebeuf Jesuit 717 2A 48 West Noble 717 2A 49 Guerin Catholic 714 2A 50 Hamilton Heights 714 2A 51 Indianapolis Marshall 694 2A 52 Mishawaka Marian 681 2A 53 Lakeland 679 2A 54 Gibson Southern 678 2A 55 Fort Wayne Concordia 675 2A 56 Brown County 667 2A 57 Crawfordsville 662 2A 58 Heritage 658 2A 59 Maconaquah 653 2A 60 Princeton 652 2A 61 Greensburg 646 2A 62 Hanover Central 636 2A 63 Peru 627 2A 64 Glenn 625 2A 65 Tri West 622 2A 66 Greencastle 611 2A 67 Heritage Hills 611 2A 68 North Montgomery 611 2A 69 Garrett 604 2A 70 Calumet 599 2A 71 Tippecanoe Valley 599 2A 72 West Vigo 599 2A 73 Bishop Luers 590 2A 74 Fairfield 589 2A 75 Salem 588 2A 76 Jimtown 586 2A 77 Eastbrook 585 2A 78 Indian Creek 584 2A 79 Mitchell 581 2A 80 Knox 577 2A 81 Whitko 576 2A 82 Lawrenceburg 564 2A 83 Pike Central 564 2A 84 Rochester 564 2A 85 Blackford 563 2A 86 Western Boone 562 2A 87 Northwestern 558 2A 88 Andrean 557 2A 89 Wheeler 555 2A 90 Southridge 552 2A 91 Benton Central 548 2A 92 Tipton 544 2A 93 Indianapolis Washington 538 2A 94 Boone Grove 536 2A 95 Rensselaer Central 536 2A 96 Sullivan 536 2A 97 South Vermillion 535 2A 98 North Putnam 532 2A 99 Delphi 524 2A 100 Southmont 523 2A 101 Indianapolis Cardinal Ritter 521 2A 102 Centerville 518 2A 103 Oak Hill 515 2A 104 North Posey 513 2A 1 Woodlan 510 1A 2 Indianapolis Broad Ripple 503 1A 3 Lewis Cass 502 1A 4 Eastern (Pekin) 500 1A 5 Frankton 500 1A 6 Hammond Bishop Noll 496 1A 7 Cascade 495 1A 8 Speedway 489 1A 9 Bremen 485 1A 10 South Spencer 482 1A 11 Wabash 477 1A 12 Bluffton 476 1A 13 Paoli 474 1A 14 Prairie Heights 474 1A 15 Elwood 471 1A 16 Indianapolis Manual 466 1A 17 North Newton 464 1A 18 Alexandria 463 1A 19 Monrovia 461 1A 20 Winchester 459 1A 21 Crawford County 458 1A 22 Providence 457 1A 23 Eastern (Greentown) 456 1A 24 Union County 456 1A 25 Triton Central 448 1A 26 Central Noble 447 1A 27 Madison Grant 447 1A 28 Forest Park 446 1A 29 Lapel 445 1A 30 Manchester 436 1A 31 Switzerland County 435 1A 32 Milan 426 1A 33 North Judson 426 1A 34 Tell City 424 1A 35 Southwestern (Hanover) 422 1A 36 Taylor 422 1A 37 Park Tudor 421 1A 38 Churubusco 420 1A 39 River Forest 420 1A 40 Shenandoah 416 1A 41 Knightstown 415 1A 42 Eastside 413 1A 43 Cloverdale 408 1A 44 Whiting 408 1A 45 North Knox 402 1A 46 Adams Central 400 1A 47 Westview 399 1A 48 Winamac 395 1A 49 Fountain Central 394 1A 50 Lake Station Edison 394 1A 51 South Putnam 394 1A 52 Seeger 393 1A 53 Northeastern 384 1A 54 Fremont 373 1A 55 Indianapolis Crispus Attucks 372 1A 56 South Adams 369 1A 57 Southwood 364 1A 58 LaVille 359 1A 59 Wapahani 356 1A 60 Hagerstown 353 1A 61 Indianapolis Scecina 351 1A 62 Eastern Hancock 349 1A 63 Sheridan 349 1A 64 Indianapolis Howe Academy 346 1A 65 Cambridge City Lincoln 346 1A 66 Northfield 344 1A 67 Hebron 340 1A 68 Clinton Central 329 1A 69 North Miami 318 1A 70 Carroll (Flora) 314 1A 71 Triton 312 1A 72 Monroe Central 311 1A 73 Tri Central 303 1A 74 Rossville 285 1A 75 North White 282 1A 76 Clinton Prairie 281 1A 77 Pioneer 279 1A 78 Covington 278 1A 79 Southern Wells 277 1A 80 Attica 275 1A 81 Wes-Del 275 1A 82 New Washington 274 1A 83 Union City 263 1A 84 West Central 263 1A 85 Caston 261 1A 86 Wood Memorial 260 1A 87 South Newton 259 1A 88 Tecumseh 259 1A 89 Tri 257 1A 90 Culver Community 254 1A 91 Rockville 246 1A 92 Frontier 241 1A 93 Daleville 235 1A 94 Lafayette Central Catholic 233 1A 95 North Vermillion 232 1A 96 Christian Academy 204 1A 97 Blue River Valley 201 1A 98 Oldenburg Academy 200 1A 99 Faith Christian 199 1A 100 Randolph Southern 173 1A 101 Turkey Run 156 1A 102 Indiana School for the Deaf 112 1A 103 Howe School 71 1A 104 Indiana School for the Blind 59 1A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decbell1 Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 Just my opinion, but if a team fails to field three wrestlers at sectional, they aren't even allowed to be counted as forfeits for team scoring at sectional. I'm not sure if it makes sense to count them here either. Some of these teams at the bottoms don't even have coaches, they have one or two wrestlers that practice with other teams but wrestle under their schools name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maligned Posted January 27, 2014 Author Share Posted January 27, 2014 Just my opinion, but if a team fails to field three wrestlers at sectional, they aren't even allowed to be counted as forfeits for team scoring at sectional. I'm not sure if it makes sense to count them here either. The sectional scoring rule makes sense because of how a team tournament is scored, but teams' having large numbers of forfeits isn't, in itself, a reason not to classify them. People have wanted this to be an "all-in" tournament, so the state duals committee decided from the start to classify everyone. I'm sure if there were ideas proposed for future years for how the issue of very small teams could be managed, they would be looked at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Stenftenagel Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 Jasper's current enrollment is 1085. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maligned Posted January 27, 2014 Author Share Posted January 27, 2014 Here is the list the IHSAA publishes on its website as its official numbers to determine classes for team sports for 13-14 and 14-15. They also distributed this same list, except for an error with Roncalli, to ADs back in February. http://www.ihsaa.org/Portals/0/ihsaa/documents/quick%20resources/Boys%27%20Basketball%20Classifications%202013-15.pdf I'm not sure how they calculate it (perhaps 12-13 enrollment), but it's been slightly off for others that have told me their current enrollments as well. At some point that was the number the IHSAA locked in for you guys for 13-14/14-15, so the committee felt it was the one that had to be used for qualifying for this year and next year's events, unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Indiana Blind has one wrestler entered in the sectional. I would hope that they aren't considered for the event and taken out of the process. It does not do any team any good to have them pushing a team out of 1A. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maligned Posted January 28, 2014 Author Share Posted January 28, 2014 My impression in talking with the coaches is that the desire is to maintain the philosophical stance that the tournament is "all-in". If you want to maintain this philosophy, it's hard to look at an isolated situation and say, "that's not really a team." Where do you draw the line? Are 2 wrestlers a team? How about 3...or 5? The kids from very small teams are representing their schools and scoring points for their schools, so the "all-in" philosophy (to this point) has been enough for the coaches to say they want to classify everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 It makes for an even weaker 1A tournament when you have "teams" with 3 or less kids in the field. Even in Ohio's system they have a minimum number of wrestlers that qualifies a team for their series. This "all-in" doesn't help the product and puts a few teams in classes they shouldn't be in due to teams that field very little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silence Dogood Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 My impression in talking with the coaches is that the desire is to maintain the philosophical stance that the tournament is "all-in". If you want to maintain this philosophy, it's hard to look at an isolated situation and say, "that's not really a team." Where do you draw the line? Are 2 wrestlers a team? How about 3...or 5? The kids from very small teams are representing their schools and scoring points for their schools, so the "all-in" philosophy (to this point) has been enough for the coaches to say they want to classify everyone. Why not draw the line at 8? If you don't have at least 8 wrestlers, you can't win a dual meet because you would be giving up more forfeit points than you could make up even if you pinned everybody else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greco165 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Why not draw the line at 8? If you don't have at least 8 wrestlers, you can't win a dual meet because you would be giving up more forfeit points than you could make up even if you pinned everybody else. I would say there are a good number of 1A schools that struggle to fill at least 8 weights, especially without bumping kids to a non-optimal weight, on a yearly basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decbell1 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Maligned, I understand your reasoning, but I feel the IHSAA has offered us some guidance through team scoring rules in the winter bulletin. I also think that if you look at the historical sectional alignments, you'll see that the IHSAA has no problem giving some teams an 8 team sectional and others 13. They know that some of those programs don't really have teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decbell1 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Why not draw the line at 8? If you don't have at least 8 wrestlers, you can't win a dual meet because you would be giving up more forfeit points than you could make up even if you pinned everybody else. I think that might be too much. Probably better to keep it at 3 or 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silence Dogood Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 I would say there are a good number of 1A schools that struggle to fill at least 8 weights, especially without bumping kids to a non-optimal weight, on a yearly basis. How about 1 more than the half of the average number in a 1A lineup? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Any where from 3 to 5 is a reasonable number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Randolph Southern only entered 1 wrestler into sectional.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlevito Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 I'd say it should be at least 8 wrestlers to be considered eligible. Not only would it eliminate 1A schools, but you could also have some schools in the bigger classes that could be eliminated. That way you can actually filter in all the remaining schools into 3 classes. The whole part of this Duals Event is to find the best dual team among an equal class. You aren't a dual team with only a couple wrestlers. And as it has been stated, it all factors on how well this year's team does on whether or not you qualify for next year's event. Even if that team somehow has the best 9 wrestler team in the state the next year, it doesn't matter cause they didn't get it done this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattM Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 I'd say it should be at least 8 wrestlers to be considered eligible. Not only would it eliminate 1A schools, but you could also have some schools in the bigger classes that could be eliminated. That way you can actually filter in all the remaining schools into 3 classes. The whole part of this Duals Event is to find the best dual team among an equal class. You aren't a dual team with only a couple wrestlers. And as it has been stated, it all factors on how well this year's team does on whether or not you qualify for next year's event. Even if that team somehow has the best 9 wrestler team in the state the next year, it doesn't matter cause they didn't get it done this year. I'm not saying I completely disagree with you on this point, but something to consider would be how that teams wrestlers will help or hurt outcome of the other teams still in contention. If Team A cannot use their entered wrestlers to gain point needed to advance in the IHSWCA Team State standing, then why should Team B be able to use their wrestlers wins over Team A's wrestler to help them advance to a spot which gains them more points towards the team event or be penalized because their Team B's wrestler was eliminated before additional points could be gained by someone from Team A. It may creates additional conundrums when eliminating some teams from consideration even though their wrestlers will be a factor to the other teams involved. A possible alternative, if the focus is on a good number of 1A team with low entry numbers, maybe to go away from the completely even split between the three classes. Put additional teams in the 1A class to help balance out things with the teams with extremely low wrestler numbers. Then filter down teams from 3A to fill in those spots left by teams that left 2A. That would still allow all teams in the event to be counted, but helps ensure some teams are not bumped up a Class due to some teams only have a few wrestlers participating that year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AC Computer Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 If you put a limit on the number of wrestlers to determine whether a team can participate or not wouldn't you have to reclassify teams every year? A team may have 10 wrestlers one year with most of them being seniors, so they only have 6 or 7 the following year. Or a team with only 5 underclassmen one year could get a lot freshmen out the next year or get back wrestlers who dropped out and jump up to 9 or 10. I thought the idea is to reclassify every other year like the other sports, but you can't do that if you base participation on the size of the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decbell1 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 If you put a limit on the number of wrestlers to determine whether a team can participate or not wouldn't you have to reclassify teams every year? A team may have 10 wrestlers one year with most of them being seniors, so they only have 6 or 7 the following year. Or a team with only 5 underclassmen one year could get a lot freshmen out the next year or get back wrestlers who dropped out and jump up to 9 or 10. I thought the idea is to reclassify every other year like the other sports, but you can't do that if you base participation on the size of the squad. Couldn't you take the average number from previous two years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samaj Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 VERY VERY slippery slope. Be careful. The numbers fall where they fall. Some win, some lose. Life isn't always fair...but at least you have concrete guidelines that everyone can turn to and say you stayed consistent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ENoblewrestling Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 VERY VERY slippery slope. Be careful. The numbers fall where they fall. Some win, some lose. Life isn't always fair...but at least you have concrete guidelines that everyone can turn to and say you stayed consistent. I agree with you sentiment. As far as following the standard put in place in other sports the IHSAA only does all-in events. A lot of these same teams barely fill squads in football, basketball, soccer, etc and they count toward the classification totals. I also don't understand the concept that some teams deserve to be in class 1A and are somehow pushed out. That only works if there was a certain number, say under 500 kids that would make class A. Other than a situation like that there will always be teams that are close to the cutoff, and that could make the case that they would have faired better in the lower class. Finally to say that half of the 1A schools would be taken out if the cut-off was set at eight is another problematic idea. For one the goal of this event is to showcase schools of all sizes. Secondly I think that, that statement underestimates a majority of the teams in class 1A. I know at team state and in our conference we faced off against small schools with full or nearly full teams all year long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maligned Posted January 28, 2014 Author Share Posted January 28, 2014 Last year, there were 25 teams with less than half a team at sectional, but some of those were 2A and 3A teams. So more than 80% of 1A had 50%-plus lineups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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