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Yea he wrestled at IU

I don't think it's the ideal solution but allowing schools to practice together *could* go a long way towards eliminating the notion that kids from small schools have fewer quality practice partners

Get wrestle backs first then worry about classes.

When you go from "I watched you as a little kid, your dad is hard to forget." to maybe I have you confused, that's a drastic change.
 
You haven't admitted to your "mistake" only that maybe you made one. Still waiting on confirmation you have no clue who I was growing up.

It is up to Y2 because the burden of proof lies with those wishing to change the (excellent) status quo

As you make your off-season training plan you should consider the Avon RTC. We will have great wrestlers of all sizes to go with. Practices will begin at 6:30p on Wednesday nights beginning March 9th. All workouts will be held in the Avon High School wrestling room(enter door 31) and are available to all schoolboy, cadet, and junior age wrestlers with a valid USA Wrestling card. I have included a list of dates that will be available for your convenience. We hope to see you there!
 
March 9th - Chris Fleeger - University of the Cumberlands
March 16th- Steven Bradley - Marian University
April 6th - Wabash College
April 13th - Live
April 20th - Tyrel Todd - Purdue University
April 27th - Jason Warthan - University of Indianapolis
May 4th - Duane Goldman - Indiana University
May 11th - Brady Eppert - CIA
May 18th - Chad Red of Red Cobra
June 1 - Duke Coaching Staff - Schedule Change...Click Here for more information.  
 
Enter Door 31.
Avon High School
7575 East 150 South
Avon, IN 46123

Toby Turner (Monrovia) - 2x State runner-up
 
John Boes (Princeton) - 2x State runner-up

Yes.

I can see, and agree with, the argument for team sports needing a class system.  For sports like basketball and football, the size of your student body is going to have a large impact on whether you're going to have 10 kids that are 6'0" - 7'0" tall (Basketball) or 60 kids that are 160lbs - 300lbs (football).
 
For an individual event like the Wrestling state finals, it just doesn't have the same strength of argument.  There's already a class system for the Coaches Association tournament.  What is largely an individual tournament doesn't need a class system IMO.  I don't really pay much attention to which school wins the points total at State, I only care how the individual wrestlers perform. 
 
Yorktown isn't a large school (780), but they routinely send 5 - 8 kids to the State tournament

Well of course... But one could say at 1A schools kids get more 1 on 1 time from coaches when there is only 4 kids on the team... That would be an advantage too... Obviously there are advantages and disadvantages to each situation... Just like life...

I believe they run a freshmen/sophomore state tournament in Illinois... I am not sure who runs it or how it is ran, but they do have one...

Well looky here, a chance for the "small" schools to train and be more competitive with the big schools.

I hate to tell an athlete to only concentrate on one sport. Of course you have exceptions, but for the vast majority, high school or college will probably be the end of highly competitive sports. You only have a few years to be young, and then it is on to the real world. Enjoy every minute of it while you can!

If you start your celebration with time on the clock and you get cracked, you deserve it. Which is exactly what happened in the GODcalf/Caldwell match. 

I hate those colored bands.... it is profiling and profiling is wrong...

High five hook and half.

I'm not pro-class or anti-class, so I'm not "one of them" as you refer. I'm simply pointing to a couple flaws in the argument as it relates to fairness in qualifiers and forfeits.
 
If the NY #s show a decent bump in participation after the implementation of class wrestling and they've maintained that over the 10 year span since, then the class argument will be lock tight. Participation rates are dropping nationwide (in both single and multi class systems) so classing hasn't been sufficient to maintain prior levels of participation. which suggests there is a lot more at play than a classed system. That said if its had a demonstratable effect in NY then its going to be hard to make a logically argument against it. But comparing systems that have been classed for 20-30 (OH over 40) years and not having any pre-class data gives us an incomplete picture.

As a Mater Dei fan, I have witnessed tremendous battles waged by the Wildcats against the top teams in Indiana.  Like most fans, I’m thrilled when we win and crushed when we lose.  However, I always appreciate great wrestling, and great programs.
 
How do the top programs, year after year, seem to never really have “down” years? 
 
It seems like they have common threads, beginning with the coaches. 
 
Mater Dei annually competes against hall-of-famers Bob Harmon of Castle and Bob Hasseman of Franklin.  It seems like every year we also see the likes of Jim Tonte, Brad Harper and/or Dave Maldonado. So, what do they have in common?  For one, they are old school.  Their athletes are in-shape, hard-nosed and disciplined.  By and large, their personal conduct is outstanding.  Why is that?  I’m guessing because that is what their top-tier coaches demand.
 
For example, Shawn Streck, by all accounts, is a great kid.  By his own words, he engaged in a regrettable action at state.  What did Coach Maldonado do?  Although I can’t read lips or hear his words, if you review the video and watch his reaction, you can bet he was NOT saying “Oh, you are just a kid, it is okay.”  Young Shawn felt what it was like to have his chest poked a few dozen times and have his butt chewed.
 
It seems like the best programs hold their kids to a higher standard.
 
The coaches seem to be in it for their athletes, rather than some sort of ego magnification.  I have watched Bob Hasseman coach at the Mater Dei Classic for 15 years.  At the end of this year’s tournament, I was speaking to a friend when Hasseman approached him.  It took me a few seconds to realize who he was.  Since I view him from the stands, and do not have a particular reason to look at him, it would explain my momentary lack of recognition.  I think what this means, for Bob Hasseman, is that producing state champion wrestlers and teams is more important than Bob Hasseman being the center of attention.
 
When you speak to kids that populate the top programs, you will consistently hear the word “team.”  In Blake Rypel’s post-match interview, he didn’t talk about himself, but about how he was part of a team and how his team helped him.  Imagine that; crediting others for your success…  The concept is:  if my team is better, I am better.  If I put my team first, everything else will work out.
 
There is more than one way to accomplish any task.  If hashtags, burger king crowns, non-stop self-promotion, “I, I, I”, “Me, me, me” and/or emulating professional wrestlers/managers work for you—have at it! 
 
The perennial top teams take a different path.

I remember coming into the wrestling room after cross country season and puking for the first week.  I always found it very hard to transition from CC to wrestling condition, just my own personal experience.  Now I found leaving the wrestling room and going out and running down a runway with a pole during track season came very easy.  Reverse of the question posed, wrestling seemed to help tremendously with pole vaulting.  It got me a college scholarship with very little actual work on the track; I even hated it all through college, would much rather have been wrestling back then, but it helped pay the bills. 

Yes they are equal as it relates to participation at state. More kids and more wrestlers should equate to more kids being successful, but this success is in line with the student population. By your logic, the wrestlers who represent 11% of the student population should have the same rate of success as the wrestlers who represent 65% of the student population in the state. But if each class got a third of the qualifiers and placers then that would not be an equitable system.
 
If the argument for class wrestling is that it will increase participation rates, you can't then choose to ignore the non-varsity participants as it relates to qualifiers and placers. They are participants as well and discounting them doesn't give you accurate take on fairness.

Exactly 1 week from today Carmel USA Wrestling Club starts its season with High School in the Gold Group.   Wednesdays and Thursdays weight training 5:30-6:30pm and wrestling from 6:45-8:15pm.  Not very many people offer great coaching, high-level workout partners, weight training, and wrestling training for only $60 a month!   We will also offer you a team rate if you commit to bringing 5 or more wrestlers from the same high school for at least a 3-month commitment.   Must have a USA Wrestling Card to attend!
 
More information about our program can be found at www.carmelusawrestling.org
 
If you want in or have any questions please contact Coach McClurg wade.mcclurg@carmelusawrestling.org or Coach Pendoski ependosk@ccs.k12.in.us 

Good luck to everyone at the IHSAA State Finals this weekend! It's the greatest spectacle in high school sport in our great state! 14 young men's lives will be changed forever after Saturday night!
 
Reminder we start HS (8-12) Group workouts on Wednesday March 2nd. We will go Wednesdays and Thursdays in weight room 5:30-6:30, and wrestling practice 6:45-8:15. Dues are only $60 a month, and we will also offer a team rate!
 
The Blue Group (elementary and middle school) will move their practice to 5:30pm-6:45pm on Wednesdays and Thursdays beginning March 2nd as well. In the spring, summer, and fall we also offer 7-week weight training sessions for the Blue Group that goes right after wrestling practice.
 
 
Contact us if you are interested in working out with us this "off season". Iron sharpens iron

We would like to wish all of the wrestlers around the state of Indiana good luck as we watch young men continue to chase down their dreams, visions, and goals that they have had for a very long time this weekend at the IHSAA Semi States!   Also, we do not forget the middle school guys that will compete in the very important IHSWCA MS State Tournament on Sunday at New Castle!  48 hours in New Castle Fieldhouse... This is the best time of the year for us crazy wrestling folk!
 
If you are looking for a place to help supplement your training this offseason Carmel USA Wrestling Club begins its Gold Group workouts on Wednesday March 2nd.  The Gold Group (Grades 8-12) will lift weights in our state of the art weight room at Carmel from 5:30pm-630pm and then have wrestling practice from 6:45pm-8:15pm on Wednesday and Thursday nights.  The Blue Group (elementary and middle school) will practice from 5:30pm-6:45pm on Wednesdays and Thursdays beginning March 2nd as well.  In the spring, summer, and fall we also offer 7-week weight training sessions for the Blue Group that goes right after wrestling practice.
 
Carmel USA Wrestling Club has had a great start to the High School State Series.  In total the club has helped supplement the training of 20 wrestlers that have advanced to this week's IHSAA Semi State.  We wish all of our high school level club athlete's good luck this weekend, and look forward to seeing everyone in the blue room training on March 2nd!
 
www.carmelusawrestling.org
 
Check out the link above to our website, which should be able to provide you information regarding all the different programs our club offers throughout the 12-month calendar year!  If you have any questions please feel free to contact us.
 
Contact Coach Pendoski  ependosk@ccs.k12.in.us    317.701.1512
Contact Coach McClurg   wade.mcclurg@carmelusawrestling.org    317.501.8306

No I could honestly care less if big or little schools have it "better offr" I just want to help improve the sport and get more kids participating... And the data shows at the end of the day class wrestling doesn't accomplish this task...

Y2, I am not saying that at all about those wrestlers so please don't put words in my mouth. At a small school, our program is growing but it is centered around a class, it will have many more peaks and valleys than a larger school thru out the years. We are strengthening our schedule little by little but not everyone on our team can compete at that high level. We are very young and if we continue to develop on the mat, stay together and hungry, I like our chances. We have wrestlers that compete outside our state and we will continue to support them in their effort. Not all can afford to travel outside our state to hit national tournaments and our club doesn't have enough financial support to offset some of those costs. Mine personally wrestled in Pa, Ohio, Ky, Illinois, Michigan and Va Beach and have been to "big time camps". We will compete and we will have more state qualifiers in the near future so hopefully our program continues to flourish.
 
I think the class team state is great, I am really excited to compete in it. If we are lucky enough to place top 2 or 3, I think we will add several young athletes into our fold. Our future is bright as we are moving in the right direction.

Yeah and the classed states FF about 2 more weight classes than our big schools... It just transferred the pain from small schools to big schools and hurt the overall participation rates even more than they already are...