Walter Sobchak Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 Should USA wrestling consider Classed National Championship for Junior and Cadet Age division: Divide States by Population: Class A States with More than 10 million People (Seven States) Class AA States with 2 million to 9 Million People ( 29 states) Class AAA States with Less than 2 Million people ( 15 including Wash D.C,) What are your thoughts on this. We could crown three national champions in each of the weights and age divisions. What about classing the Olympics according to a country's size? Three Olympic champions? Thoughts? allyourbase and munges 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestling119 Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 I think one is plenty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allyourbase Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 LQTM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Novice Bat Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 A 50 class national tournament. Aka a state tournament Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarlHungus Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 straw man falacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 This is one of my favorite arguments. Why not have one weight class? We are being deprived of Red vs Streck, Parris vs Cummings, Garcia vs Rypel. Dyoung 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Sobchak Posted February 24, 2016 Author Share Posted February 24, 2016 Aunt Sally ....maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachM Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 Why even divide it by age groups, my pee wee vs Tony Ramos. Winner gets an olympic bid loser goes to the ER. WaltHarris 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestling119 Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 Why even divide it by age groups, my pee wee vs Tony Ramos. Winner gets an olympic bid loser goes to the ER. I would hope Ramos would take an easy on your pee-wee so he doesn't have to go to the ER.... Unless you mean Ramos going to the ER because your pee-wee is one mean dude. allyourbase and WaltHarris 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaltHarris Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 MLB has four classes. NBA has two classes (plus an assortment of minor leagues). Pro tennis and golf have multiple tours that serve as classes Hockey has too many classifications to count College has D1, D2, D3 and NAIA classes Now most of these sports are not classed for the Olympics, but outside of the Olympic games they have various levels. I am sorry, but no matter how hard the wrestlers work at St. Joseph College of Calumet they will never be able to compete with University of Iowa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allyourbase Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 I am sorry, but no matter how hard the wrestlers work at St. Joseph College of Calumet they will never be able to compete with University of Iowa. And that is a fact of life. Unless you're of the thinking that everyone deserves a trophy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachM Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 I would hope Ramos would take an easy on your pee-wee so he doesn't have to go to the ER.... Unless you mean Ramos going to the ER because your pee-wee is one mean dude. You know that Hawkeye mentality, kill or be killed. WaltHarris, Dyoung and Wrestling119 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestling Scholar Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 Don't they have 3 classes already. Freestyle, Greco, and Folkstyle. If Indiana was running it, you would only have one of these. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaltHarris Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 And that is a fact of life. Unless you're of the thinking that everyone deserves a trophy. I don't think that allowing St. Joseph College of Calumet to wrestle in an NAIA division with schools like Campbellsville and Cumberland is giving everyone a participation ribbon. Rather, such an equitable leveling of the playing field just is reasonable and makes commonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattM Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 (edited) MLB has four classes. NBA has two classes (plus an assortment of minor leagues). Pro tennis and golf have multiple tours that serve as classes Hockey has too many classifications to count College has D1, D2, D3 and NAIA classes Now most of these sports are not classed for the Olympics, but outside of the Olympic games they have various levels. I am sorry, but no matter how hard the wrestlers work at St. Joseph College of Calumet they will never be able to compete with University of Iowa. Worth noting for the most part these examples are sports that "class" by a previously measured factors that have been proven to show one ability in excel in that particular sport while an adult or at least when someone is a older teenager. Sure they get these evaluation wrong sometimes which creates an occasional outliers, but on average the "class" pools you with the talent group are are most equivalent too. And in terms of the NCAA "classes" an emphasis on grade have also come into play along with some financial concerns as families evaluate the school side of that option. They were not divided up do to a person geography, an areas populations size, school districts, etc. So, a somewhat different argument of how classes is being handled. These examples would fall more in line with how a European Club system is set up than comparing it to HS sports teams. Not saying one is better or worse than the other, but its a different system based more on evaluation than location. Edited February 24, 2016 by MattM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Novice Bat Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 Why dont we just hand out trophies to everyone allyourbase 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 Why dont we just hand out trophies to everyone Ahh yes another oldie, but always a goodie! WaltHarris 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaltHarris Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 Worth noting for the most part these examples are sports that "class" by a previously measured factors that have been proven show one ability in excel in that particular sport. Sure they get these evaluation wrong sometimes which creates an occasional outliers, but on average the "class" pools you with the talent group are are most equivalent too. And in terms of the NCAA "classes" an emphasis on grade have also come into play along with some financial concerns as families evaluate the school side of that option. They were not divided up do to a person geography, an areas populations size, school districts, etc. So, a somewhat different argument of how classes is being handled. These examples would fall more in line with how a European Club system is set up than comparing it to HS sports teams. Not saying one is better or worse than the other, but its a different system based more on evaluation than location. That's fair enough. I was just making an overall philosophical point that as a society we have classifications for many sports. And it does not necessarily have do with giving everyone a ribbon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Sobchak Posted February 24, 2016 Author Share Posted February 24, 2016 Note: USA wrestling not NCAA: So the reference is to National Champs in Fargo. Look Alaska only has 700,000 to choose from for partners, California has 37 mil.... doesn't seem fair to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allyourbase Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 I don't think that allowing St. Joseph College of Calumet to wrestle in an NAIA division with schools like Campbellsville and Cumberland is giving everyone a participation ribbon. Rather, such an equitable leveling of the playing field just is reasonable and makes commonsense. Is the "playing field" level in real life? I'd say it's anything but. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachM Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 Note: USA wrestling not NCAA: So the reference is to National Champs in Fargo. Look Alaska only has 700,000 to choose from for partners, California has 37 mil.... doesn't seem fair to me. Again, if not perfectly fair for everyone we shouldn't do anything to make things more equitable for anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 Is the "playing field" level in real life? I'd say it's anything but. I don't pay as much in taxes as someone who makes $500,000 a year. Taxes are classed, do you want to pay as much as someone who makes 5X as much as you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Novice Bat Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrison_Bergeron] heres a quick literal connection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allyourbase Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 I don't pay as much in taxes as someone who makes $500,000 a year. Taxes are classed, do you want to pay as much as someone who makes 5X as much as you? You can wear my state medal on Wednesdays and every other weekend. That way we can all be winners. Sound good? MD92 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestling Scholar Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 Why dont we just hand out trophies to everyone In Indiana you don't get trophies or medals, you get ribbons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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