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Facundo won WNO and is one of the most explosive wrestlers in the country. Didn’t realize their final was 5-3. Wow

I'm a huge WAYL2 kinda guy.....Laplace lost to Alex Facundo 5-3 back in Oct...I believe Facundo is now 3rd in the US at 160. Anything can happen but I would be surprised if Laplace is majored.

Brewer with a major.

Laplace has two losses by a combined 1 point. Very hard to run a takedown clinic on him. 

Brewer looked as good as anyone at EVV SS.
But to get an alternate on Friday night & it is someone with the pedigree of LaPlace - Friday night at the Indiana State Finals WOW!

There is no doubt that Brewer is the man to beat, but Jacob Laplace is no cake walk. Laplace is very tough to score on, so a major is very unlikely. I see it being a very competitive, low scoring exchange. IMO the winner of this bout will likely represent the bottom-half bracket under the lights. 
Good Luck to Carson and Jake! Embrace it!

Can tell you right now one person got REALLY excited and the other wasnt as excited about this change. Going to be a battle forsure. 

So every 4th place finisher at Evansville could win the Fort Wayne semistate?

Look we  get it, he’s injured as you’ve pointed out numerous times. Glad he’s made it but let the injury thing go man. 

I've heard people say that waiting or countering is bad. Tell that to Tsirtsis. He somehow won a national title with the  same approach.  To gain something you give something up.  I like his approach.  He just needs to be more assertive and keep constant pressure if he keeps that approach.

I've been thrown out of better establishments than this!  Your opinion means nothing and by kind I mean Hater. Like yourself.  Hating on a kid. I didn't know he needed his uncle jimmy to speak for him. I'm in Iowa preparing my sons for state this weekend.  I could give two future flarn filths  about who you are.  Luke is Luke Skywalker.  The Huckleberry is Doc Holiday. I'm not going to give you the secrets to my Ebonics. Google it.

I didn't say take it easy. I said be easy. If you were from an urban area or associated with those who do you would know there is a difference.  I want all the smoke.  Being awesome is for you millenials.  I'm magnanimous.  I don't have to brag about message board prowess.  I've been nominated to two states forums hall of fame.  Look let me point this out to you.  I like to disliked by your kind.  It amuses me.  And thanks for admitting I got up in your craw.  So by typing what did I say I knew more?  I asked what did you know and you got all Scrubby on me.  It's MLK day so I'm going to celebrate being able to vote, achieve, and exist freely because of his sacrifices.  Any time you'd like: I'll be your Huckleberry😉.

That's what I wanted. Reveal your true feelings Luke. I don't prescribe to the word flaw in reference to wrestling. I use tendency. CJ has developed some tendencies he needs to eliminate. That is all.  Stop with that I think I know more than everyone narrative. I gave my opinion just like you.  I just got all up in your craw.  I found that little part in your Id that makes you feel like lashing out.  This ain't that.  Many have tried many have failed to frame me as some megalomaniac. I just know what I know. And I have 35 years of experience to back it up. Be easy bruh. It's just a message board. 

No excuses...I have FlowGold so I've seen all of his matches. I believe he was hurt earlier in the year. How do you know what his expectations are?  I believe he is an All-American.  I don't think the season is over.  He isn't being dominated. He lost some close matches that he probably should have won but haven't we all?  I don't have time to debate you on the word flaw.  He needs to be more assertive is what I'll offer. Nothing more.  Since you aren't or never were an elite wrestler, you are probably looking at these loses through Scrub Lenses.  Study more. Learn the sport.  Appreciate greatness when you see it.  Holiday Inn is for Lames.

Never say never after a 5-4 match.  Look, you are either clairvoyant or lack discernment completely.....I'm guessing the later.  If he majored him I might play your game. He did not. What I saw was a close match. Penalty points decided that match.  Even a person who makes arbitrary statements like you I would think could see that.  But then I saw where you are from.....now I digress.

It's your homeboy so you do. I bet you cried foul the 4 times CJ danced at Banker's Life. Good regular season win.  The dad and Lee just let me know how they really are though.  They shall meet again. Many on this board had Lee destroying CJ.  Didn't happen.  I'll contend CJ's trajectory is still higher. He got hot last year he'll do it again.  His dad I know to be a great person.  He'll get in his ear. Back to you hook and a half.  Just know when CJ get's some getback at Big Ten's you keep that same energy B. Because I will if he win's or loses.

that bothered me on the penalty points...each had a takedown...clearly Red is great at countering.  Lee is better at hitting offense.  Red is better on top.  Red needs to turn up the pace a bit...if anything Red gets his mind right and turns the corner to go get another AA

LOTS of results....   Did the best I could, but I am sure I missed a few guys.  I included season records, where I could find them via Track or the school web site.  Records listed are for the Duals, then Season
DII
Indianapolis
@125 DJ Smith 1-2,  6-8
@184 Jack Michel 0-3,  5-9
@285 Dylan Faulkenberg 3-0,  12-2
Lindenwood
@165 Kyle Jolas 4-1,  14-8
McKendree
@149 Isaiah Kemper 1-3  16-9
DIII
Wartburg
@141 Kris Rumph 1-1,  2-2
@197 Kobe Woods* 1-2,  13-4 - Didn't know he was back wrestling.  And at 197!
Wabash
@141 Owen Doster 0-2,  5-7
@149 Griffin Schermer 3-1,  15-5
@157 Austin Bethel 2-1,  3-3
@165 Kyle Hatch 2-2,  12-3
@174 Darden Schurg 4-0  19-1
@197 Levi Miller 1-3,  12-11
@285 Wade Ripple 1-1,  13-6
NAIA
Lindsey Wilson
@141 Austin Ramsey 2-3,  9-14
Campbellsville
@184 Aaron Mosley 3-2
Cumberland U (KY)
@174 Nathan Walton 3-0,  17-4
Univ. of the Cumberlands (TN)
@125 Hayden Lee 3-1 - RS Sr. after stops at Arizona State and Ohio U
@165 Tristan Macri 2-0,  10-1
@174 Jarod Swank 2-2
Indiana Tech
@125 Sawyer Miller 3-0,  13-2
@133 Enrique Early 4-0,  16-4
@174 Jake Weimer 0-2,  10-6
Marian
@133 Brandon James 3-0,  17-3
@141 Mason Miranda 2-1,  12-7
@149 Bailey Moore 2-0
@165 Kain Rust 1-2
@174 Jack Servies 1-2
@184 Sam Osho 1-2
@197 Alston Bane 1-2
@285 Ethan Bunce 1-2, 12-11
Sorry to those I missed!

 

You could probably go through the rankings and count yourself. 

You also have 3 Indiana guys ( 2 freshman) that are wrestling for Campbellsville University there also,

I know I got out of hand at times; I love this sport.  Thanks for the nod.  

First I am not sure I even know you. I don’t want you to take that as disrespect. I am aware of you because some one told me Saturday but I was really busy. We are letting this topic go in a direction I don’t like. I view a lot of the officials there as friends and would have defended their style of officiating the same way. 
The way you presented the situation you knew other officials and coaches would know who you were referring to which by your own post is wrong. 
Do I agree with every call I see no, absolutely not. But these men are humans and will call matches different let. I agree to disagree 

I respect and appreciate the forum and the opportunity is gives for casual fans and wrestling supports to sound off.  This is the 3-4th time I have logged on this year.  When something strikes me that I want to share I am very careful to not use names or specific references.  I don't appreciate you using names and situations involving officials just to show that wrestling officials sometimes make calls we don't agree with.  Out of respect for the real best officials in the IHSAA I would ask that you remove the names of other officials from your post.
Of course, I did not voice my opinion to these officials.  I have worked this tournament.  There is no way an official should have to answer to anyone with $20 for a seat in the rafters.  That would be as inappropriate as your previous post.  Posting on a forum with no names, no name of the tourney, and detailing the difference in the rules is my choice of discourse.  You made this personal, and so did he when he direct messaged me.
Since you are so enthusiastic about making poking holes in my story here you go...
Fact Checker: The situation I mentioned was to your left, south end of the gym, during the finals. *paraphrasing some parts*
Athlete: "I can't compete against the kid and the ref too.  This is ridiculous.  How many times does this have to happen?"
Coach: "I know.  Just come with me.  There's nothing I can do about it." 
As they pace the walkway slowly making their way to the stairs behind me.
Mother: "It's ridiculous.  The same ref again."
Woman in collared button-down shirt: "You're being unsportsmanlike.  You need to let it go."  
She escorted her downstairs.  Later as I went to use the restroom she was still there with the mother as she talked to one of the coaches at the floor entrance door.
I will not share anymore detail out of respect for the folks who have been tormented enough.
To your other points:
Your claim that it was only during the finals is false.  I left one gym and never returned on day 1 b/c one of the NCAA officials told me to pass the message that he just gave a coach a misconduct.  I wasn't going to do that.
If anyone of my friends ever got on a forum and defended me the way you are defending your friend I would stop you.  As a referee of any contest at the high school level your ego has to take a backseat.  I understand it's different in college (b/c I refereed college for one season).  This is a place for us to talk all things wrestling.  I am not the first person to post a vague complaint about how a tournament was officiated.  This is the first time that the official I was referring to ever contacted me via direct message to defend himself.  I'll let everyone form their own opinions of that.
 
My lunch break is over and I am done posting on this topic.  Obviously, there is an enormous amount of bias on the site regarding this topic.  I'm sure we will see each other near a mat soon.  Two thoughts to consider if you try to bring up this topic with me near a mat: 1) If I am working the tournament i won't discuss things like this until I am done.  I will be working Saturday and I need to split ASAP.  Catch me another day.  2) I am not old, but my body is very high mileage.  If you get you blood pressure to high too easily don't bother.  I am only up for an enthusiastic exchange of words.  Just be forewarned, I have a huge vocabulary and I know how to use it.  Bring a dictionary if you have to.  

Ontherise219 - just because you have an NCAA credential doesn't mean you are a good and/or better official.  I want to apologize to any high school officials that may have read that.  Meanwhile, if you are an official as a general rule I would caution you to stay off the discussion board too. 
"There are a lot of officials that have a certain way they call matches not just “NCAA” officials. I would suggest that the officials in question are some of the best in the state." -this statement sums up my whole complaint.  If you think that sending an 'NCAA' official to the tournament means he is the better than the other officials you have completely made my point.
 
WOC - We agree on one thing... overall the officiating, and tournament, was outstanding.  My comments are based solely on my personal observations.  I am aware that I am not the first person to raise these issues (it's been discussed with them personally).  I am the first to mention it on this forum.  In response to your link, you obviously are not familiar.  Involvement in wrestling directly spanned 20+ years: athlete (high school & college), mat official, board member for local and state associations, state representative nationally (my favorite was the OTC for meetings and refereed Junior World Team Trials) and on a exchange trip to Japan.  Some people have even accused me of being a very good official for some small period of my life.  Imagine that. 
Question: What are your criteria for 'best officials' in the state?
The IHSAA has several criteria for ranking officials: coaches votes (1-5), attendance at local association rules meetings, years experience, rules test part 2, years tournament experience. 
 
Besides being friends & family - how would you rank all the NCAA officials you know based on those criteria?  The other officials at the tournament I was at satisfy strive to meet those criteria year-in and year-out.  That may have something to do with the calm, predictability that they bring to a high school match.  If you think that passing the rules test part 1 and agreeing to show up makes you a great official you are spitting in the eye of all the high school officials who are dedicated to the hours of training together to provide a decent, predictable scoring process to the wrestling.  

I understand what awood2 is saying. I sat with a Big Ten official at a high school tournament 2 years ago and he told me "you could not pay him enough to officiate a high school match". He said the rules differ so much, more than most people realize. This official is one of the better Big Ten officials and he admitted he would screw up a high school match. But then again he is not licensed to officiate high school matches.