Jayruss Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 Al Smith listed first. 106- #2 Jones vs #3Campbell (Jones 3-2 ot) I have to trust the rankings bout this could go either way. 113- #4 Lewis vs #2Rioux (4-2 Rioux) Rioux only loses to Dickman instate. 120- #2 Jendreas vs #8 Henderson (Jendreas by fall) Gavin remains dominant. 126- #2 Hawkins vs #1 in KY Raney (Raney by fall) kid is super slick 132- #4 Demarco (who might be the second best in the state and can make a run at Hockaday) vs #1 in KY Raney part 2 (Raney gets pressed early wins 12-5) 138- #2 (soon to be #1 after beating Kyrel 6-4) Shepherd vs # 7 Syra (Shepherd 5-1) 144- #1 Courtney vs KY 20-0 Jenkins (5-2 Courtney) 150- #1 Kresja vs # unranked Vanover (Hunter May fell ill so 1 v 2 doesn’t happen, so Kresja by fall) 157- #2 Braubender vs a very accomplished Griffin from IL. (Griffin 3-0) 165- #1 Rinehart vs #17 Hallet (Rinehart by tech) 175- #3 Costello vs #5 Emerine (Emerine in 3-2 TB) 190- #2 Penola vs IHPO champ from KY Kiser (Kiser 1-0) 215- #1 Clark vs #14 (grossly underrated Terry) (Terminator gonna terminate Clark by fall). 285- #1 Clark vs KY Guillame holds a state title in KY. (Clark in OT) final score Al Smith wins 35-21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGCATSontheMAT Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 IMO I think emd holiday classic takes this one. After being at the classic both days some of these kids that one are majorly underrated looking at these predictions Cricket21, HWTDAD and Jayruss 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DawgPoundRed Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 5 hours ago, BIGCATSontheMAT said: IMO I think emd holiday classic takes this one. After being at the classic both days some of these kids that one are majorly underrated looking at these predictions Who is underrated? It looked like a pretty even tournaments, The Al smith is way tougher and if Mishawaka calls I think a lot of those teams would jump at the opportunity Maybe Avon would like to come get in the mix at Al smith TrueRegionFan and ontherise219 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyler Hall Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 The real question is how come Al Smith can have wrestlebacks for true 3rd but our state tournament can’t? pjayroza, ontherise219, Jimmypock and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ontherise219 Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 4 minutes ago, Skyler Hall said: The real question is how come Al Smith can have wrestlebacks for true 3rd but our state tournament can’t? Thats a good question maybe gym size but I know Coach Sandefer loves wrestling and loves the Al Smith tournament. Teams come there to get state level matches and Mishawaka makes that happen TrueRegionFan, EliteAthleticClub, blorek and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awill0352 Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 Is Mooresville the easiest of these 3? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M109R Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 6 hours ago, BIGCATSontheMAT said: IMO I think emd holiday classic takes this one. After being at the classic both days some of these kids that one are majorly underrated looking at these predictions Don't think it's debatable . The Al Smith featured 6 top 10 (4A)teams compared to 3 for EMD . The Al smith also featured (3A) #2,#5,#9 and #10 , (2A) #1 ,#3 and #5 , (1A) #5. I would bet Crown Point and Center Grove are better than any team at EMD . D Summar, pjayroza and HWTDAD 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ontherise219 Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 2 hours ago, M109R said: Don't think it's debatable . The Al Smith featured 6 top 10 (4A)teams compared to 3 for EMD . The Al smith also featured (3A) #2,#5,#9 and #10 , (2A) #1 ,#3 and #5 , (1A) #5. I would bet Crown Point and Center Grove are better than any team at EMD . It’s really impressive, at Al smith you had 2 nationally ranked teams in CP and CG HWTDAD 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
navy80 Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 106- #2 Jones vs #3Campbell (Jones dec) 3-0 AS 113- #4 Lewis vs #2Rioux (Rioux dec) 3-3 TIE 120- #2 Jendreas vs #8 Henderson (Jendreas major) 7-3 AS 126- #2 Hawkins vs #1 in KY Raney (Raney Major) 7-7 TIE 132- #4 Demarco vs #1 in KY Raney (Raney Major but I can see pin or tech) 11-7 MD 138- #2 Shepherd vs # 7 Syra (Shepherd dec) 11-10 MD 144- #1 Courtney vs KY 20-0 Jenkins (Courtney dec) 13-11 AS 150- #1 Kresja vs # unranked Vanover (Kresja by fall) 19-11 AS 157- #2 Braubender vs Griffin from IL. (Griffin major) 19-15 AS 165- #1 Rinehart vs #17 Hallet (Rinehart by fall) 25-15 AS 175- #3 Costello vs #5 Emerine (Costello dec) 28-15 AS 190- #2 Penola vs IHPO champ from KY Kiser (Kiser dec) 28-18 AS 215- #1 Clark vs #14 Terry (Clark dec) 31-18 AS 285- #1 Clark vs KY Guillame holds a state title in KY. (Clark dec) 34-18 AS final score Al Smith wins 34-18 Mater Dei holds their own against the Al smith winners when the Al Smith is head and shoulders better and much, much deeper. Jayruss 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ontherise219 Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 2 hours ago, awill0352 said: Is Mooresville the easiest of these 3? Spartan classic and mooresville are close 1. Al smith 2. mater Dei 3. mooresville 4. spartan classic 5. North Montgomery in my opinion Cricket21, MUSKEEWRESTLER, JC123 and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ontherise219 Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 4 minutes ago, navy80 said: 106- #2 Jones vs #3Campbell (Jones dec) 3-0 AS 113- #4 Lewis vs #2Rioux (Rioux dec) 3-3 TIE 120- #2 Jendreas vs #8 Henderson (Jendreas major) 7-3 AS 126- #2 Hawkins vs #1 in KY Raney (Raney Major) 7-7 TIE 132- #4 Demarco vs #1 in KY Raney (Raney Major but I can see pin or tech) 11-7 MD 138- #2 Shepherd vs # 7 Syra (Shepherd dec) 11-10 MD 144- #1 Courtney vs KY 20-0 Jenkins (Courtney dec) 13-11 AS 150- #1 Kresja vs # unranked Vanover (Kresja by fall) 19-11 AS 157- #2 Braubender vs Griffin from IL. (Griffin major) 19-15 AS 165- #1 Rinehart vs #17 Hallet (Rinehart by fall) 25-15 AS 175- #3 Costello vs #5 Emerine (Costello dec) 28-15 AS 190- #2 Penola vs IHPO champ from KY Kiser (Kiser dec) 28-18 AS 215- #1 Clark vs #14 Terry (Clark dec) 31-18 AS 285- #1 Clark vs KY Guillame holds a state title in KY. (Clark dec) 34-18 AS final score Al Smith wins 34-18 Mater Dei holds their own against the Al smith winners when the Al Smith is head and shoulders better and much, much deeper. Why would Griffen major brabender? They wrestled at IHPO 8-1 and it was a closer match to me watching it in my opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
navy80 Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 1 minute ago, ontherise219 said: Why would Griffen major brabender? They wrestled at IHPO 8-1 and it was a closer match to me watching it in my opinion I've got to get MD some extra points somehow and that's where I found them... lol ontherise219, Cricket21 and Jayruss 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blorek Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 All of these schools put on great events! Thank you Coach Sandefer and Mishawaka athletic department for hosting the Al Smith. Crown Point has been to the Spartan Classic, and Coach Schaefer has always offered an invite to Mater Dei. I love the variety our state has, and that there’s a holiday tournament for every team all over the state. It’s not about which is the best, but what’s the right place for your team. Tournaments are a lot of work, and holiday tournaments are even harder. Thank you to all those coaches and admins who host and organize holiday tournaments. Coach Lorek HWTDAD, JC123, ontherise219 and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 To tell the true strength of the events do the 5th place finishers and you'll get a real eye opener of which one is the toughest. MUSKEEWRESTLER, HWTDAD, JMG317 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cccoach Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 190 Kiser has a loss to Penola this year already. I'd go off of that result. Luke Penola (Zionsville) over Lane Kiser (Trinity (Louisville)) (Dec 7-3) ontherise219, Cricket21 and Jayruss 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ontherise219 Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 5 hours ago, navy80 said: 106- #2 Jones vs #3Campbell (Jones dec) 3-0 AS 113- #4 Lewis vs #2Rioux (Rioux dec) 3-3 TIE 120- #2 Jendreas vs #8 Henderson (Jendreas major) 7-3 AS 126- #2 Hawkins vs #1 in KY Raney (Raney Major) 7-7 TIE 132- #4 Demarco vs #1 in KY Raney (Raney Major but I can see pin or tech) 11-7 MD 138- #2 Shepherd vs # 7 Syra (Shepherd dec) 11-10 MD 144- #1 Courtney vs KY 20-0 Jenkins (Courtney dec) 13-11 AS 150- #1 Kresja vs # unranked Vanover (Kresja by fall) 19-11 AS 157- #2 Braubender vs Griffin from IL. (Griffin major) 19-15 AS 165- #1 Rinehart vs #17 Hallet (Rinehart by fall) 25-15 AS 175- #3 Costello vs #5 Emerine (Costello dec) 28-15 AS 190- #2 Penola vs IHPO champ from KY Kiser (Kiser dec) 28-18 AS 215- #1 Clark vs #14 Terry (Clark dec) 31-18 AS 285- #1 Clark vs KY Guillame holds a state title in KY. (Clark dec) 34-18 AS final score Al Smith wins 34-18 Mater Dei holds their own against the Al smith winners when the Al Smith is head and shoulders better and much, much deeper. Also the last time Hawkins and Raney wrestled I believe it was 2-0 Raney TrueRegionFan, jshep86 and Jayruss 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
navy80 Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 (edited) 25 minutes ago, cccoach said: 190 Kiser has a loss to Penola this year already. I'd go off of that result. Luke Penola (Zionsville) over Lane Kiser (Trinity (Louisville)) (Dec 7-3) 4 minutes ago, ontherise219 said: Also the last time Hawkins and Raney wrestled I believe it was 2-0 Raney In my simulation of the dual, Hawkins and Penola went out to eat the night before and had Asian food that made them sick Saturday morning. So they weren’t at full strength and therefore, lost their matches lol Edited December 31, 2023 by navy80 Y2CJ41, Caleb Spires, TrueRegionFan and 3 others 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ontherise219 Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 So don’t eat the Asian food in Evansville next month, noted Y2CJ41, cccoach, KLH and 2 others 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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