navy80 Posted February 21, 2010 Share Posted February 21, 2010 WOW......I watched him wrestle at Mater Dei and he was huge but never thought we would have gotten 4th in the state. Buchannon sr. 34-4 won pin 1:47 some may say this was a fluke Grubb sr. 45-6 won pin 3:12 didnt hear or watch this match but some still may have said a fluke Lentz sr. 45-2 lost 3-4 Knura got a takedown with secs left only to give lentz a point for lockedhands i believe, Gren sr. 50-1 lost 2-3 OT went into OT with Green, enough said Knurabeat Mater Dei's 215 i n the Ticket Round at Semi state, I would say he is the Keon Jones of this year. Kid def. has a bright future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldfat119 Posted February 21, 2010 Share Posted February 21, 2010 i agree , navy,,, but i have to say, geezzzz if he was agressive he might be unstopable next year,, big kid.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realwrastler160 Posted February 21, 2010 Share Posted February 21, 2010 That locking hands call was ridiculous. He got a a chance to go to the finals tooken away from him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted February 21, 2010 Share Posted February 21, 2010 tooken? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iwin99 Posted February 21, 2010 Share Posted February 21, 2010 That locking hands call was ridiculous. He got a a chance to go to the finals tooken away from him. How was this ridiculous? I mean it was clearly locking hands even though its around his legs, locking hands is locking hands. Keith had a great year, I would have never expected to see him do so good. Im pretty sure he didnt make it out of sectionals last year at 171 and now hes a 4th place finisher at 215 thats incredible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maligned Posted February 21, 2010 Share Posted February 21, 2010 How was this ridiculous? I mean it was clearly locking hands even though its around his legs, locking hands is locking hands. Keith had a great year, I would have never expected to see him do so good. Im pretty sure he didnt make it out of sectionals last year at 171 and now hes a 4th place finisher at 215 thats incredible It was locking hands for sure. However, officials are taught certain preventative mechanics to help kids in this situation not to fall into the locking hands call. From the video, I'm not convinced the official got close enough to him with all the noise to be sure he knew when he had the takedown. Maybe I'm wrong and he did. Lots of kids early in their careers don't realize that hands locked around both legs after a takedown is awarded will result in a technical violation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realwrastler160 Posted February 21, 2010 Share Posted February 21, 2010 Even if it was locking hands he was clearly awarded two out of bounds then and then and than after that he was called for locking hands. I just dont think its a good call with very little or even NO time left on the clock. This match should of went to OT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAGUOC79 Posted February 21, 2010 Share Posted February 21, 2010 Very bad call, it was the ref's fault. PERIOD! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realwrastler160 Posted February 21, 2010 Share Posted February 21, 2010 Thank you! I'm not the only one that thinks so. Mishiwaka kid didnt expect that amazing blast double and neither did the ref. The fans were yelling the coaches were yelling so the ref got nervous and called locking hands. Maybe this ref may of had some hard feelings with Knura from the incident at the Mater Dei classic idk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theckman Posted February 21, 2010 Share Posted February 21, 2010 Thank you! I'm not the only one that thinks so. Mishiwaka kid didnt expect that amazing blast double and neither did the ref. The fans were yelling the coaches were yelling so the ref got nervous and called locking hands. Maybe this ref may of had some hard feelings with Knura from the incident at the Mater Dei classic idk. Not the same official as at Mater Dei. There goes that theory. Yes, the official that had the match was at MD but he did not have the match where Knura went ballistic. The locked hands rule states (I'm assuming the rule hasn't changed since the last time I read it) that the offensive wrestler may not lock his hands around the body or BOTH legs when the defensive wrestler has more than two supporting points on the mat. That's what happened. If YOU were the coach of a defensive wrestler in that position, wouldn't YOU want it called? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realwrastler160 Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 Not the same official as at Mater Dei. There goes that theory. Yes, the official that had the match was at MD but he did not have the match where Knura went ballistic. The locked hands rule states (I'm assuming the rule hasn't changed since the last time I read it) that the offensive wrestler may not lock his hands around the body or BOTH legs when the defensive wrestler has more than two supporting points on the mat. That's what happened. If YOU were the coach of a defensive wrestler in that position, wouldn't YOU want it called? [/quote Doesnt matter the ref shouldnt of made that call with there being no time and signaling two than out of bounds, he should of let it go to ot.Let them wrestle! Would it of changed the outcome of who won idk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theckman Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 Not the same official as at Mater Dei. There goes that theory. Yes, the official that had the match was at MD but he did not have the match where Knura went ballistic. The locked hands rule states (I'm assuming the rule hasn't changed since the last time I read it) that the offensive wrestler may not lock his hands around the body or BOTH legs when the defensive wrestler has more than two supporting points on the mat. That's what happened. If YOU were the coach of a defensive wrestler in that position, wouldn't YOU want it called? [/quote Doesnt matter the ref shouldnt of made that call with there being no time and signaling two than out of bounds, he should of let it go to ot.Let them wrestle! Would it of changed the outcome of who won idk. by that logic, the refs should pick and choose when they enforce the rules. Don't call some rules when a match is about to go into overtime. Never mind that full nelson or stalling or slam. Let them wrestle it out in overtime. Oh, wait a minute. Stalling calls are on another thread. My bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CP_Wrestler1449 Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 Keith used to go to the same middle school as myself and he was on the wrestling team, he wasn't very good. This year when i looked at the brackets and saw his name i couldn't believe it! I never thought he would have ever qualified for state. Keith really impressed me and I have a tremendous amount of respect for him because of the work he must have put in to get to were he is now. He did a great job and is my pick for next years champ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realwrastler160 Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 by that logic, the refs should pick and choose when they enforce the rules. Don't call some rules when a match is about to go into overtime. Never mind that full nelson or stalling or slam. Let them wrestle it out in overtime. Oh, wait a minute. Stalling calls are on another thread. My bad. If he signaled two and they were out of bounds and then time was out how could he possibly be locking hands. he cant be called for locking if he doesnt know whether or not he has the take down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theckman Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 If he signaled two and they were out of bounds and then time was out how could he possibly be locking hands. he cant be called for locking if he doesnt know whether or not he has the take down. That's ridiculous. Sure he can. Just because he doesn't know he had control doesn't mean he can't commit a penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iwin99 Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 realwrastler160: Just stop arguing the call... its over he got 4th at state as a sophomore that is a great accomplishment. He had a good run and hopefully he can do just as good next season. As for the Locking hands call.... Here is the deal it was either no take down at all or they had to call the take down and locking hands. Knura had enough control for it to be ruled a take down, however he also had his hands locked around his opponents legs. Therefore the take down was signaled first becuase you cannot call locking hands without one person being in the bottom position. The two things simultaneously happened therefore its the correct call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ontherise219 Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 I would also say he made the Keon Jones run to the semi finals and lost on a penelty point too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theckman Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 realwrastler160: Just stop arguing the call... its over he got 4th at state as a sophomore that is a great accomplishment. He had a good run and hopefully he can do just as good next season. As for the Locking hands call.... Here is the deal it was either no take down at all or they had to call the take down and locking hands. Knura had enough control for it to be ruled a take down, however he also had his hands locked around his opponents legs. Therefore the take down was signaled first becuase you cannot call locking hands without one person being in the bottom position. The two things simultaneously happened therefore its the correct call. I agree.....the young man has a lot to be proud of. 4th in the state at 215 for a soph. is fantastic. Good luck to him next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southern mole Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 I have read a lot of post that said the wrestlers were out of bounds when Keith got the takedown. According to the rules, both wrestlers have to have a supporting part out of bounds before calling it out of bounds. When the take down was secured, the Mish. wrestler hands were out of bounds but his knees where in and Keith was total in bounds. So actually, neither wrestler was out of bounds. I was working the score table and I heard the official say two takedown so Keith should have heard him award the takedown. I also remember the referee point to the lock hands as the clock was running out and he showed the lock hands before the horn went off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theckman Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 You can't have locked hands unless you are in the top position. True. My post didn't say he didn't have control. It said he didn't know he had control. I was replying to the post that said "he cant be called for locking if he doesnt know whether or not he has the take down". Just because he didn't KNOW he had control doesn't mean he can't be called for locked hands. If he has control, he's in the top position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realwrastler160 Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 True. My post didn't say he didn't have control. It said he didn't know he had control. I was replying to the post that said "he cant be called for locking if he doesnt know whether or not he has the take down". Just because he didn't KNOW he had control doesn't mean he can't be called for locked hands. If he has control, he's in the top position. Thekman You are just a bad person... all the way to the core! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theckman Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 Thekman You are just a bad person... all the way to the core! Geez.....if you're gonna say something like that, at least you could spell my name right.... ;D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realwrastler160 Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 Geez.....if you're gonna say something like that, at least you could spell my name right.... ;D Your so immature Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theckman Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 Your so immature LOL.....at last, we agree on something......and I hope I never grow up and take myself tooooo seriously Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PURDUEdad Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 Thekman You are just a bad person... all the way to the core! realwrastler160: theckman has just calmly given his opinion. Although you disagree, you surely don't mean what you posted. Knura had a great run through the tournament, finishing off a great year. Whether it was a bad call or not doesn't diminish that. He'll be back next year, and better for it . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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