mtv2112 Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 :'( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mayerna Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 Hey Andy and Matchick, Here is the line-up for both teams. 96 sent 11 to state, 7 placed in the top 5. 03 sent 10 to state, 7 in top 3. Just Look at the lineups 03 96 win score 103 Bittner vs Schaefer 96 4-0 112 Williams vs Jankowski 96 7-0 119 Hillenbrand vs Head 96 11-0 125 Macke vs Scott Schaefer 03 11-3 130 Coughlin vs J Mayer 03 11-6 135 Scott vs Nurrenburn 03 11-9 140 Lehman vs Boots 96 14-9 145 Weinzapel vs Armentano 03 14-12 152 Nosko vs Kite 03 14-15 160 Wildeman vs Mayer 96 17-15 171 Mauer vs Goebel 03 17-19 189 Coughlin vs Schroeder 96 20-19 215 Unfried vs Voelker 96 23-19 275 Schwartz vs Boehman 96 26-19 MD 96 wins I think that obviously there are two big matches at 125 and 160. I gave the match to the person who had more state placings. I think the 03 team was awesome, but I think the 96 team matched up with them very well. Just my thoughts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD92 Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 Hey Andy and Matchick, Here is the line-up for both teams. 96 sent 11 to state, 7 placed in the top 5. 03 sent 10 to state, 7 in top 3. Just Look at the lineups 03 96 win score 103 Bittner vs Schaefer 96 4-0 112 Williams vs Jankowski 96 7-0 119 Hillenbrand vs Head 96 11-0 125 Macke vs Scott Schaefer 03 11-3 130 Coughlin vs J Mayer 03 11-6 135 Scott vs Nurrenburn 03 11-9 140 Lehman vs Boots 96 14-9 145 Weinzapel vs Armentano 03 14-12 152 Nosko vs Kite 03 14-15 160 Wildeman vs Mayer 96 17-15 171 Mauer vs Goebel 03 17-19 189 Coughlin vs Schroeder 96 20-19 215 Unfried vs Voelker 96 23-19 275 Schwartz vs Boehman 96 26-19 MD 96 wins I think that obviously there are two big matches at 125 and 160. I gave the match to the person who had more state placings. I think the 03 team was awesome, but I think the 96 team matched up with them very well. Just my thoughts I think the '03 team gets bonus pts at 152 and possibly at 145 and 130. At 215, those Unfried boys love the spladle, so you never know there. 160 would have been a good one to see as well. I think it would be close either way, but I tend to give the nod to the 03 team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mayerna Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 I may give you bonus points at 130, but Kite was a state qualifier in 96 and lost to the state champ that year from bellmont by 4. At 145, Armentano placed 4th and most of his losses that year were to Thad Oldham, a 2 timer from Castle none by more than 5, so I don't think you could give them bonus points. The Unfried boys loved the spladle, but Voelker placed 5th at state that year losing to Talamantes on his way to 3 state titles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammer Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 Talamantes won 2 state titles. He was a runner-up as a sophmore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD92 Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 I may give you bonus points at 130, but Kite was a state qualifier in 96 and lost to the state champ that year from bellmont by 4. At 145, Armentano placed 4th and most of his losses that year were to Thad Oldham, a 2 timer from Castle none by more than 5, so I don't think you could give them bonus points. The Unfried boys loved the spladle, but Voelker placed 5th at state that year losing to Talamantes on his way to 3 state titles. Still, Weinzapfel and Nosko were pinners. Weinzapfel got back pts on Tsirtsis so I think he could have to Joe A. as well. I think Nosko's length/leverage would have given Kite fits. I'm sure your length have him all sorts of problems in practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrslngfn Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 Here's how I see it *Schaefer 5th place(former champ) vs. Bittner SQ...possible pin but i will go with tech. 5-0 96 *Jankowski SQ vs. Williams 6th place...toss up IMO...but I will give it to DJ. 8-0 96 *Head 3x state placer vs. Hillenbrand S-SQ...only a major here only cause of Hillenbrands' never quit attitude 12-0 96 *Schaefer 2nd place(2x placer) vs. Macke 3rd place(4x placer)...Another toss up but I like Macke here 12-3 96 *Mayer S-SQ? vs. Coughlin 2nd place(2x runner-up)...not if, its how fast he gets the pin 12-9 96 *Nurrenburn SQ vs. Scott 3rd place(2x placer)...somewhat close cause Nurrenburn was a tough dude, but Scott gets the win 12-12 tie *Boots 5th place vs. Lehman S-SQ...no bonus points cause Boots wasn't known for getting them, but he would win 15-12 96 *Armentano 4th place vs. Weinzapfel 2x champ, 3x placer...Armentano was just tough enough to keep this to a dec. 15-15 tie *Kite SQ vs. Nosko 1st place(3x placer)...Kite was tough and Nosko didn't always perform his best at conseco, but he was always was game in duals...I like a fall here. 21-15 03 *Mayer 1st place(2x placer) vs. Wildeman 1st place...Here's where Nick gets his feelings hurt lol. Wildeman was stronger and better on his feet as well as having an awesome turk. Now Nick was great on top and tied people up on his feet, so even though I think Wildeman was strong enough to escape from Nick, I still think Wildeman could take neutral and win...either way a toss up and a dual meet decider. 24-15 03 *Goebel SQ vs. Maurer 3x champ...I think Goebels' heart prevents a pin but he can't keep up on his feet. 29-15 03 *Schroeder S-SQ? vs. J.Coughlin S-SQ...close match but I think Schroeder gets the win. 29-18 03 *Voelker 5th place vs. Unfried SQ...not one match went the distance for Unfried that season, he either got the pin or got pinned. Voelker by pin. 29-24 03 *Eickhoff? vs. Schwartz?...battle of the giants...either could win by fall or decision. I don't believe Eickhoff had a great throw or takedown. Schwartz had a decent headlock...I really don't know here but if Schwartz had to stay off his back I think he could. 29-27 03 All in all its too close to say. Too many toss ups. Whoever had the better day wins this dual. Either way 03 will go down as the best "individual" team with 8 placers, 7 in the top 3, 5 finalists, and 4 Champs...158.5 points at the ind. state meet should stand for a while. With all that being said I think 2001 should be considered in a dual meet with these two. 2001 8 state qualifiers, 7 placers, 4 finalists, 3 champs macke 2nd(2xplacer) c.weinzapfel 1st scott nosko 8th(injured, 3rd year before) maurer 1st conklin 3rd ausbrooks S-SQ(7th year before) raben SQ dewig S-SQ(SQ 2 years earlier) a.weinzapfel 1st(SQ year before) reddington 7th lewis S-SQ knight S-SQ schmitt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MatChick76 Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 Hey Andy and Matchick, Here is the line-up for both teams. 96 sent 11 to state, 7 placed in the top 5. 03 sent 10 to state, 7 in top 3. Just Look at the lineups 03 96 win score 103 Bittner vs Schaefer 96 4-0 112 Williams vs Jankowski 96 7-0 119 Hillenbrand vs Head 96 11-0 125 Macke vs Scott Schaefer 03 11-3 130 Coughlin vs J Mayer 03 11-6 135 Scott vs Nurrenburn 03 11-9 140 Lehman vs Boots 96 14-9 145 Weinzapel vs Armentano 03 14-12 152 Nosko vs Kite 03 14-15 160 Wildeman vs Mayer 96 17-15 171 Mauer vs Goebel 03 17-19 189 Coughlin vs Schroeder 96 20-19 215 Unfried vs Voelker 96 23-19 275 Schwartz vs Boehman 96 26-19 MD 96 wins I think that obviously there are two big matches at 125 and 160. I gave the match to the person who had more state placings. I think the 03 team was awesome, but I think the 96 team matched up with them very well. Just my thoughts I agree with most of your picks, but I think 215 & 275 are definitely toss ups, they can go either way. I also think that 125, 145, & 171 all have a shot at bonus points, and although I loved your leverage and think you are one of the best to come out of MD, I think Wildeman can take 160...his strength & animalistic qualities give him the edge. I say it comes down to heavyweight with a 1-point swing either way. The teams match up very well...not only with talent, but with heart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon H Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 How does the 2009 Castle Team match up? Sorry......this was too easy 8) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MatChick76 Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 How does the 2009 Castle Team match up? Sorry......this was too easy 8) We'll have to see after this week-end now won't we Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
md85 Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 How does the 2009 Castle Team match up? Sorry......this was too easy 8) I am biased, but I don't think either match would have been close. ;D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boiler10 Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 Nosko pinned his state finals opponent so he is capable of pinning anyone. At 160...Wildeman wins bt FALL.....easy :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mayerna Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 Wstrlgfn, I totally agree with you on the 03 team being the best tourney team in recent state history(From the 80's +). 7 in the top 3 is incredible and if it wasn't for the unbelievable Griffith boys, this team may have had 6 or even 7. That is crazy. But in this dual, I think 3 matches could go either way, 125, 135 and 160. Nut all in all this would have been a great dual to witness. I guess this would be an unending disagreement on who wins the many good individual matches. As far as 160 and myself, as a wreslter I would have beaten him, as a coach to Sammy in 03 he would have beaten me. I'm glad I didn't have to wrestle him under the lights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-train Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 how did the two m.d. kids do tonite? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGJOESCOUT Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 Jon Sims won, Zeke Z lost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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