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Riley McClurg

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    Indianapolis, IN
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  1. Riley McClurg

    An Idea to Think About.

    Why did LeCount, Cottey, Masengale, and myself included stop attending CIA once at PMHS (granted I returned once Brady & my brother took over)? We had everything that we needed (from a training standpoint) where we were at. Our coaches provided us with the tools and everything else that we needed to be successful on a year-round basis. We did not have to seek better partners or coaches or instruction, let alone pay an asinine amount for it. I personally believe that is why families, parents, and kids take advantage of the open enrollment rule. No one wants to HAVE to pay over $2K+/year to attend a private academy. As much fun as I have enjoyed the educational banter, especially with ole Eddie P, I must sign off now. Let the parents make the choices for their kids - it is none of our business as coaches. Our job is to control what we can control, and to put them in the best position to be even more successful after HS wrestling.
  2. Riley McClurg

    An Idea to Think About.

    Never once have I meant to discredit you as a coach - I hope you know how much I respect you as a coach. With that being said, the kids listed from 2010 to 2018 (minus Gaines and Syverson) supplemented their training with Ed at CIA. Personally, I believe that Mitch was the catalyst that brought them to Ed, which in return significantly helped strengthen your program for that time period. Do you agree? My point is that not everyone in their program has a catalyst like Mitch Sliga - the dude is a rare breed as a wrestler and leader. Therefore, not every kid has the opportunity to follow a Mitch Sliga's footsteps or travel and pay to supplement their training. As for you saying it is your fault, I do not agree. Sustainability takes much more than one man's effort. Once again, please do not throw me on my head.
  3. Riley McClurg

    An Idea to Think About.

    Its like I am speaking to my nephew - I can explain my theory 30 different ways, but his first response is the same question I just finished answering. I want you to prove to me that Sliga, Bratcher, Phillips, and Duckworth created a "strong" feeder program - 1 state placer since 2009-2013 places you in the bracket of "strong feeder programs"? If you were not Sliga's shadow/sensei/coach like you were, then yes, I do believe he would have found another school to attend or supplemented his training elsewhere. I do not believe Sliga staying in his home school created a wrestling craze or strong feeder program, or else we would be seeing Fishers HS Wrestling still reaping the benefits of all mighty Mitch. You are jumping from subject to subject to start confusion, which may be why your Polish brain cannot keep up, however, name those kids that Sliga impacted that did not come with him to your academy? Where is the lasting impact that they made on their feeder programs? We should be seeing Fisher Tiger after Fisher Tiger at BLF if we are following your logic. Also, Fishers is a 6A school, so what do you consider a smaller/weaker program? Mitch had success because of you. Cody has success because of you. Michael had success because of you. Same with Jackson. They spent, on average, over $2000 for 6-8 months of training - not including the private hourly workouts you were doing with them. I stand as witness. Yeah, go ahead and supplement your training.. IF you have the money. We have some parents that struggle to afford minimal club dues - I am sure that we are not the only ones, either. That is my point, probably 5% of HS wrestling parents can afford to send their kids to an academy year round. So, once again, training outside of your HS program is not as readily available as you make it sound. Hence why parents/kids take advantage of/utilize open enrollment - pay a percentage of the price Uncle Eddie charged us for one month at CIA to train in an elite club environment without the private club costs year round. To answer you final question - the sport at the high school age continues to grow year by year. Numbers do not lie. So, no. It will not effect our sport as the number continue to grow. I am guessing that you have evidence of schools dropping their program or contemplating dropping their program due to their "studs" transferring to better programs?
  4. Riley McClurg

    An Idea to Think About.

    Did not mean it like that - I trained alongside of the people named at CIA. Practices would run from March through September each year - then it gave kids time to get acclimated to their room and prepare for high school season. Poor choice of words on my end - Eddie did not violate any IHSAA sanctions or rules to my knowledge. So, you can tell your friend that was asking, Clint, that no IHSAA sanctions or rules were violated.
  5. Riley McClurg

    An Idea to Think About.

    I am saying that Sliga is apart of that outlier group that I was talking about. Transferring was never the thought process because his family could afford to spend there money at your place. His club coach (YOU) was traveling with him to national tournaments, cadet worlds, etc. Not his high school coach - YOU! Not every kid in the state can afford to supplement their training under THE Ed Pendoski, therefore, some utilize the open enrollment rule instead. As for helping the feeder program, what evidence do you have to prove? Lyle, Riley, Sliga, etc. were around the same age. You MAY have a point with Strueder as coming up in the “feeder program,” but he as well supplemented his training with you, Brady, & co. at CIA. When have we heard a big name out of Eastbrook since Jackson? Who has contended for a state title at Union County since Phillips and Duckworth? ALL of these guys are outliers to your theory due to the fact that they spent thousands and thousands of dollars over their years to supplement 3/4 of their training at a private academy that happened to be yours. So, now I am confused because all of your examples are what I stated in my first post - not everyone can afford $200-$300 a month plus the $25/hour private sessions you conducted with them as well. What do I think the elite wrestlers do that cannot afford a private academy like you ran? They utilize the open enrollment rule to go to a school with an elite room and established feeder system that has been proven successful - once again, just my theory. I mean no offense to these schools as I grew up taking licks from every kid that I mentioned. Great people with great families. Just trying to prove a point. Hopefully this clears up your confusion, P
  6. Riley McClurg

    An Idea to Think About.

    Harreld. I’m definitely getting thrown on my head now.
  7. Riley McClurg

    An Idea to Think About.

    Oops! I’m sorry, Coach Herreld! 😅
  8. Riley McClurg

    An Idea to Think About.

    I’m saying that it did not matter in Sliga’s case. It would not have mattered if he went to Spring Valley Community High School. He supplemented the vast majority of his training under your watch at CIA. His family was able to afford that monthly fee to get elite training. You were able to provide him with wrestlers like Michael Duckworth, Jackson Bratcher, Austin Neibarger, and let’s not forgot the bazillion private workouts that you were able to provide him with as a separate entity from Fishers HS. So, what I am saying is that Sliga is a bad example. Seth Riley attended the right school at the right time, and he followed Mitch’s footsteps to your academy. Did he benefit from Sliga? Heck yeah. So would have the other kids at any other high school he attended because of the time, effort, and money he spent to be under your training.
  9. Riley McClurg

    An Idea to Think About.

    There is a lot more that goes into it - the grants and aid, that is. If you are in that middle class FAFSA tier, then you are not receiving any aid. No matter how many kids you've put through college - the breaks are not very easy to come by. I wish it was. You are right, very few do get full scholarships due to the fact that the NCAA allots 9.9 scholarships to fully funded wrestling programs. The NAIA is different as your allotment depends on the academic performance of your team throughout the year based on how much athletic money they were granted, which generally leads to almost double the amount of scholarships allotted to NCAA institutions. That is why people like Coach Pompei are able to field 50-kid college teams - I would like to know how much of the money is academic/grant/athletic/aid. As for the NCAA, you're lucky if you have more than 25 or 30. You are making the process seem very simple, but I believe that it is not. However, if you are good enough, then the money gets pulled out of the cracks. I feel like if it was as easy as you make it sound, then we would see a much higher amount of Indiana HS wrestlers at the next level (Coach Pompei & Bradley are leading the charge, though). As for @dstruck, you are right. He has forged bonds and relationships with college coaches across the country - and he truly cares about the kids! What if you don't have a Danny Struck as your coach? Than what? He is one of few.
  10. Riley McClurg

    An Idea to Think About.

    I am not calling you out, P, but we both know that Mitch Sliga spent 2x more time in CIA's room than he did Fishers. He did not need to go searching elsewhere to receive support or partners because you provided that to him through CIA, and he was in there on a year-round basis. Seth trained with us from middle school through high school. Do I believe Mitch was the reason why? Damn straight. Do I believe Seth could have been a state placer without Mitch? Very possible because he was an athletic specimen, but I am not very good at "what ifs". I do know that Mitch nor the CIA room taught him to throw people on their heads like he was at the state tournament in 2013. I'll give that credit to Greco-Roman master, Coach Herald. As for the names listed on the thread, I can tell you I see them wrestling on a consistent basis in the off-season with teams that are not their HS - whether its Disney Duals, VB Duals, etc. They are seizing opportunities provided to them by other schools or clubs (Outlaws or someone like Penn or B. South taking wildcards to Disney). I am sure they are expanding their training environment. As for transferring "leading to the demise" - it will not happen. Yes, it has happened in gymnastics and soccer. Why? They are training for a spot at the OTC or a developmental team in middle school. Just ask Coach Vega! AND, these sports are much more expensive to play, which weeds out a bit of the competition quickly. Wrestling is completely different. For some odd reason, the USA decides to wrestle a style that is not recognized by one other country. So, the three sports are not very comparable. Hence why the Lees, Snyder, Downey, etc. forwent their senior years of high school to train and wrestle in some of the toughest international tournaments in the country. Their end mindset is on Olympic Gold, not an NCAA trophy or scholarship (which they all happened to receive, anyways). The general consensus of wrestlers across the country have their goals set on wrestling at the collegiate level, so they need all the exposure that they can get. I do not know about what failing enrollment you are talking about, but if we look at IPS's failure it is due to the fact of open enrollment. The kids and families realized that there were better and safer opportunities than the ones that they were receiving. The failing enrollment cannot being caused by the minimal amount of kids that transfer out to a "stronger program", if that is what you are referring to. However, the failing enrollment can be accredited to the more academically inclined individuals leaving for a better curriculum. Once again, this is just my opinion.
  11. Riley McClurg

    An Idea to Think About.

    I never once stated that you had to be a state champion in order to get recruited. Indiana has had a good amount of success on the national level without being a state medalist, I completely agree. Once again, if they are not in a competitive training environment or if their HS coach does not run a freestyle club, how do they get better? Yes, there are RTCs (too many, IMO) but that is only once or twice a week. What happens if you cannot afford training outside of your room? Perry Meridian is a fantastic example - Tonte implemented a year-round training cycle and helped raise the funds to provide an elite environment for kids (he is still doing so at Warren Central). That included high school season, freestyle season (National Duals & Fargo), and Disney Duals. I feel like this is a prime example. Matt is doing a damn good job carrying on the tradition, if you ask me. As for walking-on to college wrestling team - here is my point. It is not affordable for everyone. To attend Purdue, and in-state institution, is an average cost of $15K/year. To attend Indiana Tech, as a walk-on, is an average cost of $24K after financial aid. That is a lot of money in loans. I know there is money to be handed out for the high achievers in academics, grants, etc. However, that still does not make things affordable for everyone. A lot of these high school athletes are banking on their academic and athletic achievements to receive that higher education. My point is that if you are serious enough about the sport, and want to wrestle at the next level, you will most likely seek out an elite training environment to prep you for the in-season tournaments, the post-season tournaments, and those off-season tournaments that grant you national attention. You reap the benefits of the time you put in - whether it be accomplishments or scholarships.
  12. Riley McClurg

    An Idea to Think About.

    Please show me where I supported unfettered transferring? Simply stated facts. The open enrollment rule was implemented by the State of Indiana. Families do what they think is best for their kids. Not once did I mention the word recruit, but you did. This is simply a conversation about the influx of transfers in our sport. However, I do find it humorous that you feel the need to try and start drama when it is just simply a conversation. There always has to be "that guy," though. I appreciate your opinion.
  13. Riley McClurg

    An Idea to Think About.

    You can point the blame at numerous reasons - Title IX, transfers, etc. However, lets take a look at college wrestling pre-Title IX and post-Title IX - the difference in numbers is staggering. I am sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but transferring has little to do with the so-called problem. There is ONE NCAA spot per every FORTY-ONE high-school wrestlers (this article is dated, but numbers have not fluctuated much). The lack of opportunities at the next level is a direct correlation to why kids transfer from "2A to 6A". How does the sport continue to grow at the high-school level, but relatively remain stagnant at the collegiate level? Granted, you do have the 3-5 teams that attempt to house a program in the NAIA or NCAA every now and then, but they do not match the number of schools that have dropped the sport. With that being said, how does a kid become recognizable enough to earn that 1 out of 41 chance to wrestle in college? He goes to where he can improve and get the attention of college coaches. Yes, Eddie, there are the Mitch Sliga's of the world. Let's not forget the room where he was supplementing his training for the other 8 months out of year (Seth Riley happened to attend a good bit as well). However, not every kid's family can afford to pay $200-$300 per month for a private academy. Not every kid has the training partners at their expense. Blame the state for the open enrollment rule - not the kid and his family for utilizing it for his future. I will NEVER fault a family for doing what they think is best for their kid/family. I get it - it sucks as a coach and a teammate to see a good one leave. Been there, experienced that. The blame goes to the next-level, IMO. The lack of opportunity will eventually stunt the sport's growth. Also, look at how many BIG NAME transfers happened in the NCAA this year alone - because they believed that there was a better opportunity for them succeed. Kids, families, etc. that are serious about their sport and future will go to extreme measures to put their children in the best position to be successful. At the end of the day, we are just coaches. We do not know what is best for the kid, even if we think that we do! I am not worried about the sport suffering or losing numbers - or even turning into gymnastics-ish. I am not supporting or bashing the transfer rule, but I will say that it will not ruin the sport at the high-school level -- especially in IN. BTW Ed, I think its worked out well for your coaching staff! An Argyle and a Flash turned Falcons... now Greyhounds - its the circle of life, baby! I am not saying I am correct, but I am just throwing what I believe out there.
  14. Riley McClurg

    Warren RTC 3/21- Riley McClurg

    WOW! Brayton Lee, Asa Garcia, the Conley Bros, Antwaun Graves & Pierson, Brayden Lowery.. Just to name a few. I couldn’t tell you the last time I was in a high school room that was as competitive as last night’s room. Needless to say, if the #1 recruit in the country at 152lbs is taking advantage of his RTCs, then what is your excuse? Thanks Coach Tonte, Coach Krulik, Coach Morgan, and the other 15 assistant wrestling coaches at Warren Central What you guys are doing for the sport is great! Have pride in Indiana wrestling!
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