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I thought this could be a fun topic.  Without knowing the draw who would you put as your final four at each weight pre-sectionals?  I'll make it interesting and put a snow-cone at state on the line for the winner.  Get your picks in before the opening rounds at sectionals.  Fort Wayne semi-state only. 

The IHSWCA is looking into making some changes to the 2019 middle school state tournament and are looking for some members to serve on a committee to make sure the event is heading in the right direction.  If this interests, you please contact your regional representative or an officer.  If you are not a member and would be interested, please follow the link below.
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSf54zwIymiVzGVWoc0fF7JQ7mdwYvVaZRDUrx-VhW74vFfhFA/viewform
 
 

This is up there with the craziest things i've seen on this site. My varsity was sick. My back-up was ineligible at the time of the match.  Your varsity 120 and 152 didn't wrestle that day, no one is making insane accusations that you were ducking kids.  Don't be ridiculous, there is not reason why I wouldn't have my 85 pound kid wrestle yours and let him wrestle against Northrop.  Quit trying to make up something that doesn't exist. 
Great idea.
BTW we are either in a dual or a tournament with every sectional school except for two- Bishop Dwenger (who we used to dual, but had a scheduling change) and Huntington North (who just joined this year).  I have no clue but out of curiosity how many do you see?  We are not running from anyone, or trying to cheat any system. We make every effort to see every sectional team. Your accusations on this are complete and total nonsense. 

To answer your questions about any influence that may have in the wrestling community all I can tell you is that I joined the association.  I volunteered to help with some committees that they had, volunteered as a regional rep. I ran for the position of secratary twice unopposed. Literally any influence that I have is available to anyone willing to put in some time to help with the IHSWCA.
In terms of our wrestling program (which I am not sure has anything at all to do with my ability to volunteer for the coaches association) we are a small community about 10 minutes from Northwest Fort Wayne.  We are not Prairie Heights or Adams Central, but I have to admit that I am a little surprised that a small school wrestling aficionado like yourself didn't know we finished 2nd, 1st, and 5th at the first three team states.  Thats not to say that we are the greatest team in the state, but we have done some good things for a small team, and are generally fairly competitive for a school our size. 
Are you advocating that only big schools have a say in the IHSWCA?  Is there some sort of success factor you feel should be in place for IHSWCA volunteers?

I have to say this has made buscowrestling come out smelling like roses.  I don't know why we always want to assume the worst of someone and the big school guy has to act like Busco's not worthy to make a decision because clearly the big schools should decide everything.  All the guy did was volunteer, donate his time, and try to help.  Then he is accused of shenanigans and demeaned.  I would really hope coaches have more ethics than they are given credit for and there is a good reason why some stuff happens even if it appears bad to those without information on the scenario.  I don't know anyone in this drama, but would say thanks to the guy who volunteered.  I am sure none of them intended to screw kids over.  Hopefully they do listen and make improvements and everyone learns from mistakes made.  As a whole (with few exceptions), everyone in the sport ( I will make an exception for the IHSAA who I do believe doesn't care or know about the sport ) is more like your brother than your enemy.

Busco has always produced good quality wrestlers and kids for their size. Just because your mud hole isn’t near ours it doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist or have a history.
Also Sam is one member of a group that made this decision. Maybe the decision wasn’t vetted well enough but that group does have good intentions and at least they are putting effort forth.

To answer your questions about any influence that may have in the wrestling community all I can tell you is that I joined the association.  I volunteered to help with some committees that they had, volunteered as a regional rep. I ran for the position of secratary twice unopposed. Literally any influence that I have is available to anyone willing to put in some time to help with the IHSWCA.
In terms of our wrestling program (which I am not sure has anything at all to do with my ability to volunteer for the coaches association) we are a small community about 10 minutes from Northwest Fort Wayne.  We are not Prairie Heights or Adams Central, but I have to admit that I am a little surprised that a small school wrestling aficionado like yourself didn't know we finished 2nd, 1st, and 5th at the first three team states.  Thats not to say that we are the greatest team in the state, but we have done some good things for a small team, and are generally fairly competitive for a school our size. 
Are you advocating that only big schools have a say in the IHSWCA?  Is there some sort of success factor you feel should be in place for IHSWCA volunteers?

This is up there with the craziest things i've seen on this site. My varsity was sick. My back-up was ineligible at the time of the match.  Your varsity 120 and 152 didn't wrestle that day, no one is making insane accusations that you were ducking kids.  Don't be ridiculous, there is not reason why I wouldn't have my 85 pound kid wrestle yours and let him wrestle against Northrop.  Quit trying to make up something that doesn't exist. 
Great idea.
BTW we are either in a dual or a tournament with every sectional school except for two- Bishop Dwenger (who we used to dual, but had a scheduling change) and Huntington North (who just joined this year).  I have no clue but out of curiosity how many do you see?  We are not running from anyone, or trying to cheat any system. We make every effort to see every sectional team. Your accusations on this are complete and total nonsense. 

Just a heads up the IHSAA Wrestling Officials Survey is due by Tuesday January 9th. It’s on the .net site or available via email from your AD.  Make sure to ask them about this if you don’t have it!
Coaches if you wrestle this weekend please bring this up in the coaches meetings. This survey is very important in getting the Officials to the correct levels of the tournament and if anything else it is a $100 fine for your school if not filled out.
Coaches let’s try to get as close to 100% participation as we can this year!

Their coach is getting to be an old man himself.  They would be more shocked to see me actually wrestling than seeing me get my butt kicked!

The live vs drill thread got me thinking about this one.  What are some things your team does to shake up the room a little? I'm racking my brain for some ways to liven up practice and looking for some new ways to get a lot accomplished and engage the kids.

Meeting Minutes: Thursday, Oct. 26, 2017 Ben Davis HS
 
I.                    Call Meeting to Order
II.                  Minutes from Spring Clinic Business Meeting (SAM)
                                                              i.      Sam Riesen read the meeting minutes from the Hall of Fame business meeting and the spring clinic.
III.                Financial Update/Status of Association (JD)
                                                              i.      JD Minch
                                                             ii.      $9,500 in our account
                                                           iii.      Explained that we would make a good amount at the clinic
                                                           iv.      JD stated that the association was doing “O.K” in terms of finances.
                                                             v.      Membership was roughly over 200
                                                           vi.      Membership cards would be mailed
IV.                New Business
a.      IHSWCA Team State Duals Update (JD)
                                                              i.      36 teams
                                                             ii.      Fort Wayne Coliseum will be the location
                                                           iii.      2 years ago the event made a lot of $
                                                           iv.      Last year was down due to the date
                                                             v.      Discussion took place about possible changes to a permanent date
                                                           vi.      Discussion took place about possible change to location
                                                         vii.      Greg Ratliff mentioned that he sent a questionnaire out to all teams who had participated in the Duals in the past about changing the date
b.      M.S. State
                                                              i.      Discussion took place about adding a qualifier
                                                             ii.      Discussion took place about a probable change in location for the event next year
c.       Regional Rep update – (Greg)
                                                              i.      Logansport Regional needed a representative- Tom Miller Lafayette Jeff Volunteered
                                                             ii.      Nick Kraus will replace Sam Riesen as Carroll Regional Representative (took place after the meeting)
                                                           iii.      Pendleton Heights regional needed a representative- Courtney Duncan of   Frankton was named as a possible replacement (took place after the meeting)
d.      Committees
                                                              i.      Greg Ratliff mentioned the need for volunteers for the IHSWCA Committees 
                                                             ii.      Jr. Academic All-State coordinator is needed
V.                  NWCA Update (Dave Cloud)
                                                              i.      Discussed NWCA Duals
                                                             ii.      Discussed Indiana having a CEO leadership academy
1.      Free NWCA CEO Leadership academy
2.      Looking for 40-50 coaches
3.      Looking for location
4.      Best practices for your program
5.      Kansas, Oklahoma, Nebraska, Pennsylvania have had one
6.      Contact Dave Cloud at dcloud@smcsc.com
                                               
VI.                Old Business
a.      Membership Update (JD)
1.      Covered during financial business
VII.              Other Business
                                                              i.      Dave Cloud asked about the feasibility of doing a Sophomore Academic All-state
                                                             ii.      Greg Ratliff said it would be on the next survey
 
 
VIII.            Any ideas or “items of concern”?
 
IX.                Good of the Order and Adjourn
 

Meeting Minutes: Thursday, Oct. 26, 2017 Ben Davis HS
 
I.                    Call Meeting to Order
II.                  Minutes from Spring Clinic Business Meeting (SAM)
                                                              i.      Sam Riesen read the meeting minutes from the Hall of Fame business meeting and the spring clinic.
III.                Financial Update/Status of Association (JD)
                                                              i.      JD Minch
                                                             ii.      $9,500 in our account
                                                           iii.      Explained that we would make a good amount at the clinic
                                                           iv.      JD stated that the association was doing “O.K” in terms of finances.
                                                             v.      Membership was roughly over 200
                                                           vi.      Membership cards would be mailed
IV.                New Business
a.      IHSWCA Team State Duals Update (JD)
                                                              i.      36 teams
                                                             ii.      Fort Wayne Coliseum will be the location
                                                           iii.      2 years ago the event made a lot of $
                                                           iv.      Last year was down due to the date
                                                             v.      Discussion took place about possible changes to a permanent date
                                                           vi.      Discussion took place about possible change to location
                                                         vii.      Greg Ratliff mentioned that he sent a questionnaire out to all teams who had participated in the Duals in the past about changing the date
b.      M.S. State
                                                              i.      Discussion took place about adding a qualifier
                                                             ii.      Discussion took place about a probable change in location for the event next year
c.       Regional Rep update – (Greg)
                                                              i.      Logansport Regional needed a representative- Tom Miller Lafayette Jeff Volunteered
                                                             ii.      Nick Kraus will replace Sam Riesen as Carroll Regional Representative (took place after the meeting)
                                                           iii.      Pendleton Heights regional needed a representative- Courtney Duncan of   Frankton was named as a possible replacement (took place after the meeting)
d.      Committees
                                                              i.      Greg Ratliff mentioned the need for volunteers for the IHSWCA Committees 
                                                             ii.      Jr. Academic All-State coordinator is needed
V.                  NWCA Update (Dave Cloud)
                                                              i.      Discussed NWCA Duals
                                                             ii.      Discussed Indiana having a CEO leadership academy
1.      Free NWCA CEO Leadership academy
2.      Looking for 40-50 coaches
3.      Looking for location
4.      Best practices for your program
5.      Kansas, Oklahoma, Nebraska, Pennsylvania have had one
6.      Contact Dave Cloud at dcloud@smcsc.com
                                               
VI.                Old Business
a.      Membership Update (JD)
1.      Covered during financial business
VII.              Other Business
                                                              i.      Dave Cloud asked about the feasibility of doing a Sophomore Academic All-state
                                                             ii.      Greg Ratliff said it would be on the next survey
 
 
VIII.            Any ideas or “items of concern”?
 
IX.                Good of the Order and Adjourn
 

I emailed Commissioner Faulkens to make sure that this went in to effect right away.  Here is what he sent.
 Unless mentioned in the minutes, anything approved by the Board goes into effect immediately.  
Here is the NFHS Rules wording for the alternative uniform in case you are asked:
 
                compression shorts or shorts designed for wrestling shall have a minimum 4-inch inseam that shall not extend below the knee; Shorts designed for wrestling shall have an elastic waistband and a drawstring that is not exposed.  Compression shorts or shorts designed for wrestling shall not have exposed drawstrings, belt loops, zippers, snaps, buttons, or pockets.  A suitable under garment which completely covers the buttocks and groin area must be worn under shorts designed for wrestling.  Shorts designed for wrestling may be worn over the singlet.  Compression shorts or shorts designed for wrestling may be worn with a form-fitted compression shirt.  Compression shorts or shorts designed for wrestling shall be school-issued.
 
Here is the wording for the compression shirt:
 
c.      a singlet with the top cut as outlined in (a) with full-length tights and stirrups. a form-fitted compression shirt which shall not cover or extend below the elbow and shall have a minimum 3-inch tail; The form-fitted, compression shirt may be worn under a singlet or with compression short or shorts designed for wrestling. The form-fitted compression shirt shall be school-issued.
NOTE: Female contestants wearing a form-fitted compression shirt shall wear a suitable under garment that covers their breasts.

IHSWCA Spring Clinic – 2017
University of Indianapolis
 
Business Meeting Minutes
 
Old Business:
Meeting minutes (minutes from February – IHSAA St. Mt. meeting) - Sam Riesen – IHSWCA Secretary Minutes read Accepted by Bob Hasseman (Franklin Central HS) 2nd by Dave Thompson (Whiteland HS)  
Financial Report (JD Minch) Money In                                           i.    $9,250 checking
                                        ii.    State dual profit down
                                       iii.    State Duals - Date hurt the event, attendance down 500
                                       iv.    State Duals - Previous year 2,500 fans, this year 1800
                                        v.    State Duals - Made about $2500
                                       vi.    Made about $500 at fall clinic
                                      vii.    Made about $11,000 @ MS State
b.    Money Out
                                          i.    Indiana - Ill all-star duals
1.    Equipment
2.    Paid refs
                                        ii.    Scholastic duals
                                       iii.    Donated
1.    $1,000 To ISWA
2.    $500 in memory of Tom Clark
 
Membership Report (JD Minch) a.    Members
                                          i.    323 members paid
1.    Some signed up but didn’t pay
 
 
“Regional Coaches of the Year” presentations – Greg Ratliff - IHSWCA President Coach Ratliff presented the 8 RCOY awards to the recipients in attendance  
 
 
New Business:
 
NWCA/USAW Scholastic Duals report (Tom Miller- Lafayette Jefferson HS) Gold placed 3rd, lost to Ohio, and Illinois Blue placed 8th Event is growing                                           i.    Encouraged coaches to support it
                                        ii.    Get best kids on best teams
OW                                           i.    Mason Parris (Lawerenceburg HS) name O.W.
                                        ii.    Donnie Krider (Laffayette Harrison HS) was commended as well.
Exposure                                           i.    Several college coaches in attendance
Date                                           i.    Moved back a week next year
NWCA Report-Dave Cloud (Pendleton Heights HS) National Clinic                                           i.    Moved to Daytona
1.    Could fly into Daytona or Orlando
2.    Encouraged coaches to attend
                                        ii.    Weight Program
1.    NWCA wants Indiana back on their online weight program
                                       iii.    Greg Warren
1.    Greg Warren will perform at Pendleton Heights H.S. is September
 
IHSAA Coaches Summit – May 9, 2017 (Danny Struck – Jeffersonville HS) Coaches meeting                                           i.    May 9th
                                        ii.    IHSAA offices
                                       iii.    IHSAA asked to discuss weight management
                                       iv.    Section seeding
                                        v.    Questions
1.    Bill Flatt (South Bend Riley HS)
a.    Discussion of handling of alternates admission into semi-state and state
 
IHSAA New Sectional Alignments – (Greg Ratliff – Edgewood HS) Discussed realignment Try to make sectionals and regionals more even The principals/ Athletic Directors chose to send teams elsewhere    
IHSWCA NEW WEBSITE (ihswca.org) – new webmaster Ihswca.org New webmaster- Nick Stewert (Jeffersonville HS)  
Other Business:
 
2017-18 Important Date Sheet – work in progress – will be posted on website  
Announcement of 2017-18 & 2018-19 IHSWCA Vice President & Secretary  
(Greg Ratliff – Edgewood HS – incoming President, Jake O’neil- Wabash HS- Incoming VP, Sam Riesen- Chrubusco HS- Secretary, JD Minch- Executive Director)  
 
Good of the Cause
 
NWCA COTY Nominees- Dave Cloud (Pendleton Heights)
a.    Gary Black (Shenandoah)- COTY
b.    Keith Davison (Chesterton) – ACOTY
 

IHSWCA Spring Clinic – 2017
University of Indianapolis
 
Business Meeting Minutes
 
Old Business:
Meeting minutes (minutes from February – IHSAA St. Mt. meeting) - Sam Riesen – IHSWCA Secretary Minutes read Accepted by Bob Hasseman (Franklin Central HS) 2nd by Dave Thompson (Whiteland HS)  
Financial Report (JD Minch) Money In                                           i.    $9,250 checking
                                        ii.    State dual profit down
                                       iii.    State Duals - Date hurt the event, attendance down 500
                                       iv.    State Duals - Previous year 2,500 fans, this year 1800
                                        v.    State Duals - Made about $2500
                                       vi.    Made about $500 at fall clinic
                                      vii.    Made about $11,000 @ MS State
b.    Money Out
                                          i.    Indiana - Ill all-star duals
1.    Equipment
2.    Paid refs
                                        ii.    Scholastic duals
                                       iii.    Donated
1.    $1,000 To ISWA
2.    $500 in memory of Tom Clark
 
Membership Report (JD Minch) a.    Members
                                          i.    323 members paid
1.    Some signed up but didn’t pay
 
 
“Regional Coaches of the Year” presentations – Greg Ratliff - IHSWCA President Coach Ratliff presented the 8 RCOY awards to the recipients in attendance  
 
 
New Business:
 
NWCA/USAW Scholastic Duals report (Tom Miller- Lafayette Jefferson HS) Gold placed 3rd, lost to Ohio, and Illinois Blue placed 8th Event is growing                                           i.    Encouraged coaches to support it
                                        ii.    Get best kids on best teams
OW                                           i.    Mason Parris (Lawerenceburg HS) name O.W.
                                        ii.    Donnie Krider (Laffayette Harrison HS) was commended as well.
Exposure                                           i.    Several college coaches in attendance
Date                                           i.    Moved back a week next year
NWCA Report-Dave Cloud (Pendleton Heights HS) National Clinic                                           i.    Moved to Daytona
1.    Could fly into Daytona or Orlando
2.    Encouraged coaches to attend
                                        ii.    Weight Program
1.    NWCA wants Indiana back on their online weight program
                                       iii.    Greg Warren
1.    Greg Warren will perform at Pendleton Heights H.S. is September
 
IHSAA Coaches Summit – May 9, 2017 (Danny Struck – Jeffersonville HS) Coaches meeting                                           i.    May 9th
                                        ii.    IHSAA offices
                                       iii.    IHSAA asked to discuss weight management
                                       iv.    Section seeding
                                        v.    Questions
1.    Bill Flatt (South Bend Riley HS)
a.    Discussion of handling of alternates admission into semi-state and state
 
IHSAA New Sectional Alignments – (Greg Ratliff – Edgewood HS) Discussed realignment Try to make sectionals and regionals more even The principals/ Athletic Directors chose to send teams elsewhere    
IHSWCA NEW WEBSITE (ihswca.org) – new webmaster Ihswca.org New webmaster- Nick Stewert (Jeffersonville HS)  
Other Business:
 
2017-18 Important Date Sheet – work in progress – will be posted on website  
Announcement of 2017-18 & 2018-19 IHSWCA Vice President & Secretary  
(Greg Ratliff – Edgewood HS – incoming President, Jake O’neil- Wabash HS- Incoming VP, Sam Riesen- Chrubusco HS- Secretary, JD Minch- Executive Director)  
 
Good of the Cause
 
NWCA COTY Nominees- Dave Cloud (Pendleton Heights)
a.    Gary Black (Shenandoah)- COTY
b.    Keith Davison (Chesterton) – ACOTY
 

Congratulations to all of the award winners
 
State Coach of the Year
Gary Black, Shenandoah
 
 
Randy Helfrich Assistant Coach of the Year-
Keith Davison, Chesterton
 
 
Calumet
Leroy Vega (Portage)
Crown Point
Chris Joll (Chesterton)
Rochester
Bob Read (Plymouth High School)
Logansport
Scott Van Der Aa (Harrison) and Tom Miller (Lafayette Jefferson)
Goshen
Brett Smith (Prairie Heights)
Carroll
John Tone- Bishop Dwenger
Peru
Andrew King, Oak Hill
Jay County
Trent McCormick (Yorktown) and Eric Myers (Jay County)
North Montgomery
Maurice Swain (North Montgomery)
Pendleton Heights
Courtney Duncan (Frankton)
Perry Meridian
Matt Schoettle (Perry Meridian)
Richmond
Doug Deters-Franklin County & Gary Black-Shenandoah
Mooresville
Kevin Blundell (Monrovia)
Bloomington South
Mark Friz (Terre Haute North)
Jeffersonville
Chris Cooper (Columbus East)
Castle
Greg Schaefer (EVMD) Cody Moll (North Posey) Matt Collins (Vincennes Lincoln)

Congratulations to all of the award winners
 
State Coach of the Year
Gary Black, Shenandoah
 
 
Randy Helfrich Assistant Coach of the Year-
Keith Davison, Chesterton
 
 
Calumet
Leroy Vega (Portage)
Crown Point
Chris Joll (Chesterton)
Rochester
Bob Read (Plymouth High School)
Logansport
Scott Van Der Aa (Harrison) and Tom Miller (Lafayette Jefferson)
Goshen
Brett Smith (Prairie Heights)
Carroll
John Tone- Bishop Dwenger
Peru
Andrew King, Oak Hill
Jay County
Trent McCormick (Yorktown) and Eric Myers (Jay County)
North Montgomery
Maurice Swain (North Montgomery)
Pendleton Heights
Courtney Duncan (Frankton)
Perry Meridian
Matt Schoettle (Perry Meridian)
Richmond
Doug Deters-Franklin County & Gary Black-Shenandoah
Mooresville
Kevin Blundell (Monrovia)
Bloomington South
Mark Friz (Terre Haute North)
Jeffersonville
Chris Cooper (Columbus East)
Castle
Greg Schaefer (EVMD) Cody Moll (North Posey) Matt Collins (Vincennes Lincoln)

Congratulations to all of the award winners
 
State Coach of the Year
Gary Black, Shenandoah
 
 
Randy Helfrich Assistant Coach of the Year-
Keith Davison, Chesterton
 
 
Calumet
Leroy Vega (Portage)
Crown Point
Chris Joll (Chesterton)
Rochester
Bob Read (Plymouth High School)
Logansport
Scott Van Der Aa (Harrison) and Tom Miller (Lafayette Jefferson)
Goshen
Brett Smith (Prairie Heights)
Carroll
John Tone- Bishop Dwenger
Peru
Andrew King, Oak Hill
Jay County
Trent McCormick (Yorktown) and Eric Myers (Jay County)
North Montgomery
Maurice Swain (North Montgomery)
Pendleton Heights
Courtney Duncan (Frankton)
Perry Meridian
Matt Schoettle (Perry Meridian)
Richmond
Doug Deters-Franklin County & Gary Black-Shenandoah
Mooresville
Kevin Blundell (Monrovia)
Bloomington South
Mark Friz (Terre Haute North)
Jeffersonville
Chris Cooper (Columbus East)
Castle
Greg Schaefer (EVMD) Cody Moll (North Posey) Matt Collins (Vincennes Lincoln)

This post had me wonder how the populations of wrestlers vs total population of the state looks.  From 2014.
 
                                     Indiana                                  Ohio                                                           Illinois
Population                    6.597 Million                          11.59 Million                                               12.88Million
Wrestlers                      7,512                                     11,433                                                        16,022

I don't have time to do the research at the moment, but my hypothesis is that your stats on State Qualifiers would seem to prove my point.  How is that?
 
Well...I would venture to say that 65% of IHSAA wrestlers go to 3A schools, 26% go to 2A schools, and 9% go to 1A schools.  In other words, if those 2 figures match up (overall wrestling population by school vs. state finals participation) then that would seem to say that where you go to school doesn't matter.  
If the Ellis kid from Eastern went to Ben Davis, Penn, or Warren Central...that kid is still going to win state.  
 
What am I missing?

Didn't Pruitt hit one into a Peterson on Lawrence in the the finals last year?

Didn't Pruitt hit one into a Peterson on Lawrence in the the finals last year?

The match was exclusively on cinemax

Casual if we had classes we would be treated as a team sport and not an individual is basically what I've been told. I felt there was a little confusion from the IHSAA on exactally what we wanted, but I felt that the IHSAA didn't seem real keen on having us have a multi class team championship, and a 1 class individual tournament. I also didn't get the vibe that they were real interested in having our individual portion classed at this point as none of the other individual sports are classed.