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12 minutes ago, SunDevils said:

Andrew Howe (still a legitimate claim to GOAT status, certainly Mt. Rushmore of Indiana)

Reece Humphrey

Steven Bradley (people forget how dominant he actually was) 

Howe is always my default answer. Untouchable. People seem to forget he also had wins over 3 of the top 5 guys in the country at his weight in the same day at Fargo too. If we’re splitting hairs with Angel, his lone HS loss was a better loss than Escobedo’s. Not a great argument, but I stand by it.

I’m going off what the original injury post said that it happened multiple times this year and he continued to wrestle with it and pop it back in. You’re also conflating my post with the CP poster. I’m just saying that’s a crazy injury to wrestle through and can’t imagine it won’t lead to chronic pain. I just question what we’re doing as a high school wrestling culture, as a whole, sometimes.
 

Tough. Yes, insanely tough. A great idea, maybe not if it’s coming out all the time, but what do I know, I’m not a doctor. 

6 hours ago, HWTDAD said:

I am assuming you are talking about Caden. He has a torn quad tendon that he wrestled with all season. His knee popped out in every match of the finals as well as multiple matches this season. They pop it back in and he wrestles like a warrior. 

Man, I don’t know how a high school kid gets medical clearance to compete with an injury like that. I’m all for being tough and wrestling through the hurt, but that seems over the top. Good luck walking without significant pain after 30.

Also, back to the original point, this will inevitably lead to an injury time call in every match. Hard to watch.

I miss old downtown Evansville. Specifically Hammerheads. Home of nickel PBR’s and the “stance dance”. Heck, if you stayed late enough you could even get beat up with some beer bottles. 

6 hours ago, combatspeed06 said:

Cody Johnson and I did a pretty sweet secret handshake before our finals match. Some people liked it, some hated it 

Came to comment this one. Good stuff! I remember some old curmudgeons being upset about it. 

3 minutes ago, awill0352 said:

If the 49 other states do it then why can't we convince IHSAA to do it?  

Ignorance. Arrogance. Indifference to the needs of a sport outside of round ball.
 

I blame the Milan Indians for winning a state title in basketball in 1954. The IHSAA seems to cling to that anomaly as a good reason to spit in the face of conventional wisdom and maintain an antiquated competition system at every possible turn.

On 1/26/2024 at 1:55 PM, jets said:

You think the success is tied into moving sectionals and regionals?? How so?? 

I might be wrong, but…by not being in the weakest regional in the Evansville SS they now have an opportunity to draw a kid from that regional in the first two rounds if they qualify. Better match ups for them.

4 hours ago, igotcaught said:

Imagine if Allred and Parris competed in a class state tournament. Crazy to think a 1a and 2a school from Indiana produced 2 big 10 champions this year. Not saying it’s common, but definitely interesting

Not defending or bashing the class argument, but those two are anomalies. First state champs in their respective school history if I remember correctly. It's far more likely to happen from a blue blood or larger program. I get what the OP is saying. The gap has grown significantly.

Indiana used to be known as a top heavy state. However, now that the depth is coming along, without wrestlebacks, the "ticket round" tragedies are becoming far more frequent. 

7 hours ago, formercollegekid said:

 Completely agree 

 

Side note, fewer 4xqualifiers then 4xchamps 

 

Craig Alstott

Floyd Central (1986)

 

Michael Miller

Madison (2005)

 

Austin Bethel

Mount Vernon (Posey) (2017)

 

Michael Miller had some horrible draws. 

 

 

 

Alex Tsirtsis, Dillon Whitacre, Eric Aue, Cahmelan Porter. I believe in that order. Up in at least one of the matches, if not two. Broke his foot in the sectional finals as a senior wrestled through, but faded in the Porter match.

It gets brought up every year but we (Madison) have arguments for best to never place and best to never win. Michael Galbreath, early 1990's, (3x qualifier, 2x runner up). We'll clear that bad juju in due time.

7 minutes ago, Disco said:

This ,and these things will always be part of wrestling. Replacing and bringing in new refs will not solve anything. It is prevalent in college as well as high school. Just part of the sport. Heartbreaking as it can be for one of the participants in a match for missed calls or wrong calls, it will never stop. 

Bringing in new refs will help solve the officiating shortage, which is more what the second part of the post was about.

And agree to disagree that it wouldn't diminish frustrating calls in some situations. No way to quantify that, but wrestling has changed so much in the past 15 ish years, and continues to, that you can't convince me kids who wrestle today wouldn't understand those positions compared to those who wrestled in the late 70's. I mean absolutely no disrespect to anyone from that era. We have a lot of great officials from then, but times change and we need fresh blood was my biggest point.

Inconsistencies in the way stalling was called on top and assistant officials seemingly being spectators instead of following their roles were the biggest issues I saw, but overall it wasn't the worst I've ever seen. One that stood out in a good way for me was #6 (Joshua Howard). Good command presence, consistent on calls, in good positions, good anticipation of the action. 

It's a thankless job and we desperately need officials. Hopefully we get some talented wrestlers coming up who understand the nuances of scrambling and awkward positions to start reffing. 

11 minutes ago, Kyle Ayersman said:

Peter Pan burned me once, I will never go back.

2007 ish? Salmonella outbreak? Got me too.

On 2/7/2023 at 11:17 AM, Pug said:

 

 

 

 

Posted February 7, 2021

 

Looks like Mooresville 2 drew in Evansville 1 at 182 again this year. That's at least 9 of the last 11 years that's happened. It wouldn't take a lot to figure this out if the coaching staff had done any research. I doubt that the formula is being leaked--just people assuming what will happen based on prior years.

I'd say the same to sound inconspicuous. Gotta get them off your trail. Good thinkin' brother! 

2014-160-My way of getting to name drop my program. Not the most well known but still fun to watch. Jordan Partee/Gabe Koontz. I believe it was Partee relatively close in the season. Koontz took it 5-1 in the finals at semi-state (closer than the score), then on a last second TD for 3rd at state. Initially a no call which was rightfully (painful for me to say that) overturned and given. Crowd was heavily invested from the sound of it.

20 hours ago, Y2CJ41 said:

The emerging sport process was put into place last May, here is what it entails from the minutes

https://www.ihsaa.org/Portals/0/ihsaa/documents/about ihsaa/minutes/2019-20/050420.Board.pdf?ver=2020-05-04-202916-320

 

1-3 Emerging Sports
a. Emerging Sports In order for a sport to become an IHSAA Recognized Sport, a member school must become the sport’s mentor and must follow the Emerging Sports Process.
b. Emerging Sports Process. 
Any member School may apply, no later than March 1, to the Directors for a sport
to be recognized as an Emerging Sport, and provided such recognition is not an anathema to the purposes or goals of the IHSAA, the sport shall be approved by the Directors at its next annual meeting as an Emerging Sport.
c. Recognition and Requirements. Upon recognition of a sport as an Emerging Sport, the sport will be listed as an Emerging Sport in the IHSAA General Eligibility Rules and any School sponsoring a program in such sport shall register its head coach with the IHSAA. The IHSAA will offer limited administrative services to Schools sponsoring a program in the Emerging Sport, such as free rule books, free rules meetings in the sport and free participation in the Catastrophic Medical program for the students participating in the Emerging Sport. Participation in the sport and all Contests in the sport are subject to all the IHSAA rules and policies, including
the General Eligibility Rules.
d. Current Emerging Sports. The following sports are currently Emerging Sports: None. 
 

 

Looks like they took a page from the NCAA's emerging sport program. Girl's wrestling will most likely be the testing ground for the process which coincides with the NCAA right now. It also looks like a feasibility study to see if the sport will survive, which shouldn't be an issue with all the work that has already been done and it's growing popularity, especially in Indiana. I'd imagine they saw multiple potential sports on the horizon and wanted a more stringent way to regulate the addition as opposed to looking bad as previously mentioned by simply voting no. No one wants to be the bad guy and this is a way to put it on the stakeholders of each sport if it doesn't pan out. 

I take that back. The video is still up, but the song is different. I imagine a copyright issue was involved.

13 hours ago, tyquhp13 said:

I remember in the early days of the internet ( at least my early days) there was a video of a wrestler winning matches at high school nationals with an inside trip to that song as a mash up,

Levi Duyn. It's still up on YouTube. 

Sinead O'Connor-Nothing compares to you

Tim McGraw-Don't take the girl 

Hurt-Johnny Cash cover, not that NIN garbage

Given the theme of obligatory topics for the week I figured I'd start this one since I haven't seen it yet. What are some of the best matches you have witnessed at state finals? Aside from some of the obvious finals matches, I'll start with some of my most memorable:

2006 130 lbs semi-finals- Matt Hemry (Portage) vs. Alexander Warren (Mooresville)- Warren built up a big early lead and Hemry stormed back mid to late 3rd with Warren holding off. Cant remember final score but both guys in double digits

2007 130 lbs quarters- Jake Fleckenstein (East Central) vs. Michael Harmon (Southwestern) -The big talk was Fleckentein and Galka in the semi's (#1 and #2 at the time I believe). Fleckenstein was slick and got in on ducks and singles with ease and Harmon hit 2 or 3 neck wrenches, putting Fleckenstein on his back each time. Final score 9-8 Harmon. One of the bigger upsets that year.

2015 120 lbs Friday Night-Tyler Ferguson (Evansville Reitz) vs. Jeremiah Reitz (Griffith)- Ridiculous Friday night draw. Don't remember all of the specifics other than fireworks the whole way through

You did this just to hurt my heart since Madison has had input on best to never qualify and best to never win but, here it goes. Beat the who's who throughout his 4 years.

Michael Miller(Madison) 4x SQ

Losses on Friday Night:

Alex Tsirtsis

Dillon Whitacre

Eric Aue

Cahmelan Porter

13 minutes ago, Southern Side said:

This topic should be the best to never win a state title

That usually comes up too this time of year

2 hours ago, navy80 said:

145 is sick and makes me a little sick.. 

 

May should cruise first round and Garcia will have a challenge from Lody.

I was floored when I found out Cheatham was a second year wrestler. Seems to be a great kid and a freak athlete. Diamond in the rough for a college program if he chooses that route. Super high ceiling.

Not to mention too, the logistical nightmare of getting every coach with a qualifier at a given SS to show up on an early weeknight to seed 16 wrestlers per weight, then set brackets and get them disseminated. 

On 2/7/2021 at 12:00 PM, JMAN said:

I hear what you’re saying, however it’s that doesn’t justify it.  If the system is egregiously flawed the need to try and fix it. 
 

To start with semi state needs a backside!  Second they should hold a seeding meeting prior to semi state to try and get the right kids in the right spots!

 

If we just accept this it will never improve!

There is no seeding past sectionals for any sport and most sports use a blind draw from the start. I'm also not aware of any other state tournament in the country that reseeds after every level of their respective state tournament. The further you go in the state tournament the less likely you are to have common opponents so criteria would be difficult. You can't expect the IHSAA to rely on an independent site's rankings for seeding purposes either. A prime example of that is your thoughts on the rankings. You may think they are inaccurate, while others believe they are which would be another reason people would dispute them at seeding meetings.