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3 minutes ago, Wrestling Scholar said:
(1) ....Just a quick fact, total enrollment of 10 teams at the Frankfort sectional was 16,646 and compare that to the 12 teams in the Twin Lakes sectional which had total enrollment of 6,104.
(2) I think the daunting affect of a Clinton Central or Rossville having to face Carmel or Hamilton Southeastern every year could be discouraging and ultimately could affect participation or effort.
(3) Experiencing failure is a good thing to learning and developing character, but kids are also smart and they know it when they face overwhelming odds. It can affect their effort and participation. It just doesn't come down to if we try harder, well end up winning.
1. I will agree that is a large disparity, moving a few schools in exchange for smaller schools will balance out the talent pool.
2. Could it happen, yes....does it happen, I don't know. It has been my experience athletes will participate if they enjoy the sport. I have been involved in sports for 35+ years (high school, CYO, Travel) and personally I have never heard any athlete state "I am quitting because our team can't win in the postseason".
3. I am in agreement with you, trying harder does not = winning. I remember playing golf in high school and in my SECTIONAL you had to shoot damn near even par to get out when other sites you could post a score in the 80's to advance. Fast forward 35 years....same thing is occurring but the sport has survived and I would guess the participants have grown. JMO, but challenges from a superior opponent does not make a quitter, that attitude was there from the beginning.
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37 minutes ago, bulldog145 said:
I totally understand that and agree with you, but wouldn't we want to maximize the chance of an opportunity?
Lowering the talent level at one site will increase the talent level at a different site. I just believe it is impossible to make all things equal for everyone.
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23 minutes ago, bulldog145 said:
..... It is very frustrating for kids to see competition that they have beaten have post season success and the only reason for it is because of a more balanced Sectional. You can't tell me that having kids with a successful post season does not help build a program.
Naturally successful postseason runs (at any level) will help a program, but unfortunately it is NOT possible to allow every athlete/program to have success. You do the best you can but you must realize that it will not be equal for all; that is impossible to achieve. I am sure wrestlers who lose because of a tough draw (Sectional, Regional or SS) know they could have easily advanced at a weaker venue but I guarantee it will help them in the long run. Experiencing failure is vital to achieve quality learning and growing into adulthood.
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On average, a SS should have 5 kids STATE ranked Top 20 and 2.5 STATE ranked Top 10.
106 = 5 / Top 10 = 4
113 = 7 / Top 10 = 4
120 = 7 / Top 10 = 4
126 = 5 / Top 10 = 2
132 = 7 / Top 10 = 4
138 = 5 / Top 10 = 4
145 = 8 / Top 10 = 4
152 = 5 / Top 10 = 4
160 = 6 / Top 10 = 2
170 = 4 / Top 10 = 3
182 = 7 / Top 10 = 2
195 = 5 / Top 10 = 4
220 = 4 / Top 10 = 2
285 = 5 / Top 10 = 4
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My prediction on how many from each team will advance:
Cathedral 9 Roncalli 6 Warren Central 6 Carmel 4 Zionsville 4 East Central 3 Franklin Central 2 Greenfield Central 2 Hamilton Southeastern 2 North Central 2 Perry Meridian 2 Anderson 1 Fishers 1 Indianapolis Lutheran 1 Lawrence Central 1 Lawrence North 1 Lawrenceburg 1 Lebanon 1 Milan 1 New Castle 1 New Palestine 1 North Montgomery 1 Richmond 1 Shenandoah 1 Westfield 1 -
28 minutes ago, CpDinger said:
The real question is can anyone beat me and Jesse in spikeball
- ontherise219, CpDinger and indianmorg
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3 hours ago, base said:
Really disappointed to see Noehre and Rodgers land on the same side of the bracket. One of them will come into state as a 3rd place finisher - and will be a tough draw for the other #1's to have in their quarter bracket
The best they could finish would be 1st and 2nd. The 2nd place finisher will see a Semi-State Champ at the same time as a 3rd place finisher.....Saturday morning.
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11 hours ago, tommyho said:
106 Jackson advances
He finished 3rd at DAC, dnp at Al Smith, and 3rd at Regional. That quarter bracket is not a killer, which leads itself to a surprise advancer, but I would slot him behind Tirana and Stall. With that said, he has a shot if he wrestles his best all year.
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Good luck trying to preview the remaining semi-states in 2 shows. New Castle alone could have 24 matches involving State Ranked wrestlers BEFORE the semi’s are determined. I say you have a show per semi-state to allow for ‘free-lancing’.
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OUTSTANDING job as always:
STATE RANKED = 4 (1 did not wrestle in Sectional, 1 did not wrestle in Regional, 2 lost at Regional)
276 / 280 = 98.57% wrestlers remaining
NCSS = 6 (2 did not wrestle in Sectional, 4 eliminated at Regional)
106 / 112 = 94.64% wrestlers remaining
EVSS = 16 (3 did not wrestle in Sectional, 1 did not wrestle in Regional, 12 eliminated at Regional)
124 / 140 = 88.57% wrestlers remaining
FWSS = 16 (2 did not wrestle in Regional, 3 eliminated at Sectional, 11 eliminated at Regional)
124 / 140 = 88.57% wrestlers remaining
ECSS = 16 (1 did not wrestle in Sectional, 2 eliminated at Sectional, 13 eliminated at Regional)
124 / 140 = 88.57% wrestlers remaining
- ontherise219 and Y2CJ41
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So far every finals match at Perry Meridian has been State ranked band State ranked. 103 - 160
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Kody Gilthero defeated Alex Cottey 3-2 in UTB
- logan_boe, FCFIGHTER170, Chapdaddy and 1 other
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Toughest Regional w/ wrestlers & rank per weight:
106:
Peru -- #11 Martin, #16 Baldwin, #17 Barr
113:
Peru -- #7 Sturgill, #16 Kinney, #17 Brooks, #18 Brantley
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Perry Meridian -- #1 Cottey, #10 Wilburn, #14 Glithero
120:
Evansville North -- #5 Freeman, #16 Scott, #17 Newman
126:
Mooresville -- #1 Rioux, #2 Dalton, #7 Montgomery
132:
Perry Meridian -- #2 Koontz, #7 Beatty, #10 Goodwin, #17 Slivka
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Mooresville -- #6 Watson, #8 Conley, #13 Holt, #15 Alcala
138:
None with 3 ranked wrestlers
145:
Pendleton Heights -- #6 Wilkerson, #9 Dunasky, #17 Stewart
152:
Carroll (FW) -- #12 McCune, #16 Hilger, #19 Saylor
160:
Perry Meridian -- #4 Noehre, #12 Atkins, #14 McClain
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Goshen -- #2 Levitz, #13 Goering, #18 Werts
170:
Crown Point -- #12 Neff, #13 Layman, #16 Sneed, #18 Verbeek
182:
Perry Meridian -- #4 Warren, #12 Fillipovich, #20 Keesee
195:
Penn -- #2 LaPlace, #6 Pack, #18 Hueber
220:
Evansville -- #6 Willman, #7 Stewart, #15 Robinson
285:
Mooresville -- #1 Keys, #14 Gentry, #16 Johnson
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East Chicago Central -- #3 Darcy, #13 Perez, #19 McLean
I pick the Perry Meridian, 132 weight, as being the most difficult. 4 ranked wrestlers (3 top 10) and they don't face each other in the 1st round.
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Previous State Champ:
120 - Bettich (Michigan); 132 - Mendez; 145 - Viduya; 160 - Rodgers; 195 - Allred; 285 - Keys
State Runner-up:
113 - Cottey; 120 - Seltzer; 120 - Bettich (Michigan); 126 - Rioux; 138 - Boarman; 145 - Viduya; 160 - Rodgers; 160 - Noehre; 170 - Fielden
3x State Placer:
120 - Bettich (MI & IN); 126 - Rioux; 126 - Lowery; 138 - Campbell; 145 - Viduya; 152 - Boe; 182 - Winner
3x State Qualifier:
132 - Cottingham (3x SQ); 170 - Calhoun (2x placer, 1x SQ); 195 - LaPlace (1x placer, 2x SQ)
Things to consider when picking a "lock".
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I am sure upsets will occur, and I picked a few, but there is a great chance 9 or 10 Final matches will pit two state ranked wrestlers against each other.
106:
Bryce Lowery (Roncalli) 29-0, Fr vs Ayden Harper (Franklin Central) 21-14, So.
Clayton Hughes (Indpls Lutheran ) 23-3, Fr. vs Nathan Smith (Southport) 33-7, So.
Zac Dray (Warren Central) 26-11, Jr vs #ss6 Keaton Morton (Perry Meridian) 17-6, Fr.
Joshua Johnson (Indianapolis Cardinal Ritter) 15-2, Fr. vs Dakota Herald (Greenfield-Central) 24-13, So.
Ranked: #5 Lowery, #7 Johnson, ss#6 Morton, ss#7 Smith
Finals: #5 Bryce Lowery vs #7 Joshua Johnson
113:
Alex Cottey (Perry Meridian) 32-0, Jr. vs Collin Ball (Franklin Central) 19-18, So.
Marquarias Wilburn (Warren Central) 26-8, Jr. vs Carlos Avila (Beech Grove) 15-13, Fr.
Christopher Bullock (Indpls Scecina Memorial) 29-2, So vs Junyiah Huges (Providence Cristo Rey) 15-17, Fr.
Kody Glithero (Roncalli) 25-5, So. vs Cohen Hager (Greenfield-Central) 21-17, Fr.
Ranked: #1 Cottey, #10 Wilburn, #14 Glithero
Finals: #1 Alex Cottey vs #14 Kody Glithero
120:
Andrew Haggerty (Perry Meridian) 23-11, Jr. vs Caden Alfrey (Triton Central) 23-11, Jr
Christian White (New Palestine) 29-2, Jr. vs Carter Chapman (Roncalli) 11-7, So.
Carleton Perry (Warren Central) 21-4, Jr. vs JaySiah Simms (Indpls Crispus Attucks), 11-9, Fr.
Khua Thang (Southport) 31-9, Sr. vs Isaiah Holden (Greenfield-Central) 20-16, Sr.
Ranked: #7 White, #13 Perry
Finals: #7 Christian White vs #13 Carleton Perry
126:
Brayden Lowery (Roncalli) 29-2, Sr. vs Stuart Donlan (Indpls Scecina Memorial) 29-5, Jr.
Jordan Vinson (Shelbyville) 26-6, Sr. vs Oswaldo Gil-Ceja (Perry Meridian) 15-14, Sr.
David Pierson (Warren Central) 32-1, Jr. vs Aundre Dix (Indpls Cardinal Ritter) 10-10, Jr.
Bryce Pardue (Southport) 23-11, Jr. vs Ashton Brandon (Franklin Central) 18-7, So.
Ranked: #5 Lowery, #6 Pierson, ss#5 Donlan
Finals: #5 Brayden Lowery vs #6 David Pierson
132: (4 State Ranked)
Luke Goodwin (Southport) 34-2, Jr. vs Thomas Defreese (Indpls Scecina Memorial) 26-5, Jr.
Kyan Sparks (Franklin Central) 22-13, So. vs Sam Slivka (Roncalli) 31-5, Sr.
Aundre Beatty (Warren Central) 22-5, Sr. vs Ethan Thompson (Beech Grove) 25-11, Fr.
Matthew Koontz (Perry Meridian) 18-2, So. vs Chase Nelson (New Palestine) 14-4, Sr.
Ranked: #2 Koontz, #7 Beatty, #10 Goodwin, #17 Slivka
Finals: #17 Sam Slivka vs #2 Matthew Koontz
138:
David Page (Roncalli) 21-10, Sr. vs Darin Johnson (New Palestine) 12-12, Jr.
Dylan Dorman (Greenfield-Central) 32-4, Sr. vs Phenix Carney (Beech Grove) 16-4, Jr.
Jeivan Ross (Warren Central) 25-5, Jr. vs Ridge Cavallero (Perry Meridian) 10-17, Sr.
Jordan Johnson (Indpls Cardinal Ritter) 12-6, Jr. vs Zach Stewart (Triton Central) 25-9, Jr.
Ranked: #8 Ross, #14 Dorman, ss#6 Page
Finals: ss#6 David Page vs #8 Jeivan Ross
145:
Alec Viduya (Roncalli) 34-0, Sr vs Chayce Collier (Shelbyville) 16-10, Jr.
Max Jones (New Palestine) 18-10, Sr. vs Harley Taylor (Beech Grove) 33-5, Sr.
Jajuan Anderson (Warren Central) 28-2, Jr. vs Codie Nunn (Southport) 24-13, So
Brady McKivitz (Perry Meridian) 27-8, Jr. vs Josh Thacker (Triton Central) 16-9, Sr.
Ranked: #1 Viduya, #7 Anderson, ss#8 McKivitz
Finals: #1 Alec Viduya vs #7 Jajuan Anderson
152:
Tyce Freije (Roncalli) 22-3, Sr. vs Benjamin Massey (Franklin Central) 23-16, Jr.
Avery Wills (Eastern Hancock) 29-6, So. vs Daunte Hon (Southport) 6-9, Fr.
Brice Coleman (Warren Central) 36-0, Sr. vs Desmond Waters (Indpls George Washington) 6-14, Jr.
Noah Baker (Perry Meridian) 17-6, Sr. vs Kenny Thompson (Greenfield-Central) 28-8, Sr.
Ranked: #1 Coleman, #6 Freije, ss#4 Baker, ss#6 Thompson
Finals: #6 Tyce Freije vs #1 Brice Coleman
160:
Josh Moore (Southport) 32-5, Sr. vs Chase Coleman (Franklin Central) 14-9, Jr.
Damon McClain (Warren Central) 25-5, Sr. vs Briley Biszantz (Perry Meridian) 18-20, Jr.
Cooper Noehre (Greenfield-Central) 27-1, Sr. vs Adrieon Smith (Indpls Crispus Attucks) 17-5, Sr.
Antwann Dix (Indpls Cardinal Ritter) 14-9, Jr. vs Dante Akins (Indpls Lutheran) 28-2, Sr.
Ranked: #4 Noehre, #12 Akins, #14 McClain, ss#7 Moore
Finals: ss#7 Josh Moore vs #4 Cooper Noehre
170:
Jujuan Dale (Perry Meridian) 27-9, Jr. vs Jameson Welborn (Indpls Scecina Memorial) 12-5, Jr.
Seth Ortel (Triton Central) 26-5, Jr. vs Sam Peeples (Roncalli) 18-13, So.
Ernest Mosconi (Franklin Central) 25-10, Jr. vs Jacob Skinner (Beech Grove) 23-16, So.
Simon Mpole (Southport) 26-7, Sr. vs David Craig (Warren Central) 19-17, Sr.
Ranked: ss#4 Dale
Finals: ss#4 Jujuan Dale vs Simon Mpole
182:
Aiden Warren (Perry Meridian) 27-3, Jr. vs Scott Stanley (Greenfield-Central) 25-11, Jr.
Gavin Keesee (Franklin Central) 23-9, Sr. vs Alex Amodeo (Roncalli) 14-22, So.
Hayden Filipovich (Indpls Lutheran) 28-2, Jr. vs Mieron Teklebirhan (Indpls Cardinal Ritter) 2-10, Jr.
Gage Nelson (Southport) 26-8, Jr. vs Keon Sullivan (Warren Central) 25-12, Jr.
Ranked: #4 Warren, #12 Filipovich, #20 Keesee
Finals: #4 Aiden Warren vs #12 Hayden Filipovich
195:
Jeff McClure (Perry Meridian) 26-10, Jr. vs Jackson Pruitt (Indpls Scecina Memorial) 25-9, Jr.
D'Aris McCloud (Warren Central) 26-10, Sr. vs Kyven Carter (Southport) 28-5, Sr.
Richard Clevenger (New Palestine) 29-5, Jr. vs Onye Nwosisi (Indpls Cardinal Ritter) 10-6, So.
Michael Fletcher (Roncalli) 13-22, Sr. vs Logan Beard (Indpls Lutheran) 22-4, Sr.
Ranked: ss#6 McClure, ss#8 Clevenger
Finals: ss#6 Jeff McClure vs ss#8 Richard Clevenger
220:
Tyler Goodall (Perry Meridian) 21-11, Sr. vs Bryce Shelton (Shelbyville) 4-4, So.
Alex Hernandez (Warren Central) 27-5, Sr. vs Ceu Thang (Southport) 21-9, Jr.
Deshawn Young (Franklin Central) 27-1, Sr. vs Peter Guevas (Providence Cristo Rey) 18-24, Fr.
Justin Lewis (Roncalli) 16-14, So. vs William Olive (New Palestine) 23-10, Sr.
Ranked: #10 Young, #16 Hernandez
Finals: #16 Alex Hernandez vs #10 Deshawn Young
285:
Jashawn Jackson (Southport) 11-4, Jr. vs Marquevious Keys (Indpls Howe) 18-7, So.
Dennis Hubbard (Warren Central) 21-8, Sr. vs Alex Holliday (Perry Meridian) 19-16, Jr.
Antone Alexander (Franklin Central) 32-3, Jr. vs Aaron Butts (Roncalli) 20-15, So.
Jack Broadwell (Beech Grove) 19-11, Fr. vs Tucker Keevers (New Palestine) 23-12, Jr.
Ranked: #9 Alexander, #12 Hubbard, ss#8 Holiday
Finals: #12 Dennis Hubbard vs #9 Antone Alexander
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19 hours ago, FCFIGHTER170 said:
120 at NC is disgusting as well..7 ranked studs with 4 of the top 10..1,4,7,10,13,14,19!
Similar to 120, 113 at NCSS:
#1 Cottey, #4 Anthony, #8 Wolf, #10 Wilburn, #11 Carrender, #12 Hooper, #14 Gilthero
81 ranked kids probably could have been 95-100, splitting hairs when you get to 17-25.
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Perry Meridian takes home the trophy with a 3.5 point victory over Roncalli. Rebels held a 16.5 point lead with 4 matches to go — 182 - Warren (1st) pins Southport (6 points - Rebels lead at 10.5); 195 - McClure (1st) pins Roncalli (6 points - Rebels lead at 4.5); 220 - Goodall pins Roncalli (6 points - Rebels behind 1.5); 285 (3rd) - Holiday with a 1-0 win over Roncalli to seal the deal.
Exciting day and looking forward to one of the top regionals in the state (Perry) and IMO the deepest semi-state (New Castle) over the next 2 weeks.
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UPDATED: Sectional finish and current record
2020 Wrestling Rankings per Sectional, Regional, SS.xlsx
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13 hours ago, gsmith58 said:
I'm curious. Are you webscraping, have access to the underlying database, or doing this manually. Whatever you're doing it's it's appreciated. Thanks for taking the time.
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UPDATED -- The only thing I am missing would be the final semi-state rankings for EVSS. Enjoy the day tomorrow!
Semi state with the most champs?
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New Castle -- 8
Evansville -- 2
East Chicago -- 3
Fort Wayne -- 1