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  1. 18 minutes ago, IndianaWrestlingGuy said:

    Tuition is $55k/year. I don’t know the Cernus family financial position, but the aid these families receive is certainly a factor in attending Culver. It is the same problem the Indy private’s face, but on steroids. 


    I doubt that was the issue. Wyoming Sem. Is one of the top prep schools for wrestling in the country, so it seems likely this was an opportunity move. No knock on Culver but that's a different level.

  2. On 6/10/2019 at 5:41 PM, B. Alan said:

    Definitely thought it was Zain's move. Yianni just wrapped the chest and went with it. The camera from the other side of the mat illustrates the sequence much clearer, IMO. Ultimately, the correct call was made. Sucks it's all become such a mess. No way in the world would I take on reffing a high level FS bout.

    I agree about not wanting to be in the position to make that call, but I felt like Zain had reached a point of limited progression. Not that retherford wasn't continuing to work, but it appears Yanni makes it his move. Maybe the other angle shows it differently but from my estimation it was Yanni's points. That's always going to be an issue when so much is dependent on a referees opinion.

  3. 1 hour ago, Powerline said:


    Well looks like 133 for Big Ten's just got a while lot tougher with Gross transfer to Wisconsin. We could see Suriano / Micic a couple of times. Maybe Gross goes to 141. 

    Gross - Wisconsin (2nd & 1st at SDSU), Suriano-Rutgers (2nd, 1st) , Micic-Michigan (4th,2nd,3rd), Pletcher-OSU (4th, 4th), DeSanto-Iowa (5th), RB-Young-Penn State (8th),

    Agreed. Big Tens will be crazy again at 133 and 141 next year. Gross may land at 141, I think he cut a lot at 133. He will be interesting at either weight. Top 5 guys in both weights are 2 TDs better in neutral but his top game is on another level with only Spencer Lee being close. Gross has surely benefited from the 4 point nf as much as anyone, and I don't anticipate that will change much after the year off.

  4. On 4/21/2019 at 3:24 AM, Jayruss said:

    How the hell do I get a flo arena link to flo nationals? This mess is turrrrrrible, I hate flo arena!

    No doubt, floarena is the poopy flavored lollipop of the bracket world. Getting to it is no picnic either. That said I love the video and for the last year or so the streaming has been good. 

    You have to keep in mind Flo doesn't promote wrestling they just sell folkstyle/freestyle crack to those already addicted. Addicts are willing to endure great pains to get their fix. Flo is testing your fortitude with floarena 

  5. https://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/press-releases/espns-record-setting-ncaa-wrestling-championship-coverage-reaches-millions-of-viewers/

    There was a 40% increase with online viewership. The total number of households on the TV broadcast were still pretty small. Interesting to see some of the southern cities represented in the top 8. Maybe they just leave the TV on ESPN all day, or there is growth in interest in places like Birmingham.

  6. Those are some excellent ideas to enhance both numbers of kids and the overall quality of experience they have with the sport. 

    Here are a couple of thoughts I'd add:

    The first idea would be indirect recruitment via increased interest in the meets. Reach out to non-sports departments like the band director, art teacher, drama/theatre club, and cheer coach (I know this is technically a sport). Getting the pep band to perform at matches adds energy and excitement as well as putting additional parents and friends in the stands. Drama club for lightning up the mat, creating showy entrances and adding additional flair, making the meets fun events. Those kids would have parents and friends too. Art teacher for potentially making a class project of creating promotional posters for individual home meets. They could be like WWE or Concert posters or whatever the kids come up with. The art kid would suddenly have an interest in attending an event they did the promo poster for and there folks would too.

    All are low to no cost options to utilize the resources available, and give kids opportunities to apply their skills doing what they enjoy in a practical environment. All this creates ownership in the wrestling program from the various groups that are contributing in their way to grand event. The greater interest in the meets will make it a lot easier to recruit kids out for the team.

  7. 4 hours ago, SWINfan said:

    #1 seed Alex Marinelli of Iowa goes down to 8-seed Mehki Lewis of VA Tech 3-1 SV-1.
    Evan Wick wins by fall over Chance Marsteller
    - Wick will face Lewis in the semifinal breaking up the expected Marinelli vs. Joseph Final
    Vincenzo Joseph wins another tight match with Nebraska's Isaiah White 3-1 SV-1
    Joshua Shields of Airzona State wins 6-0 over Bryce Steiert of Northern Iowa.  He'll face Joseph in the semifinal. Joseph won their only match up 11-2 in a December dual

    Cael McCormick's match was frustrating...  In OT, Gunther held the riding time advantage and basically stalled on his feet half a TB period, a full SV2 period and half a TB2 period.  McCormick made a mistake by choosing down in TB2 with a 4-3 deficit and a riding time deficit.  He got the escape to tie it at 4, but only had about 12 seconds to get a take down and Gunther wouldn't even let him close.  Cael should have started TB2 on his feet knowing he was going to need two points to win.  Whether he or his coaches made the decision to go down, it wasn't the correct one.  And why Gunther gets no stalling warnings until :03 left is beyond me.  Unfortunately, Cael has been eliminated.

    Zahid Valencia attacks off the whistle, builds an 11-4 lead and gets the fall against Army's Brian Harvey
    Daniel Lewis of Missouri gets the fall over Nebraska's Mikey Labriola
    - The #2 and #3 seeds Lewis vs. Valencia meet in the semis.  Should be a great match!
    Mark Hall wins with a workmanlike 5-3 decision over Taylor Lujan of UNI
    Myles Amine gets a tough 4-2 SV-1 win over Lehigh's Jordan Kutler
    - Hall and Amine face off in the semifinal.  Hall is 4-0 against Amine, all 1 point decisions

    Dylan Lydy wins a 5-4 decision over Matt Finesilver of Duke and moves on.

    Juxtapose the officiating in Cael's match vs Stoll Parris. These are officials at the same tournament. I know you are supposed to adjust to the way the match is being called, but with that much variable on how stalling is called it can be tough on the athletes. 

    I believe stalling should be called on guys who dont open up on their feet or refuse to make any offensive effort. (Pushing a guy out of bounds after he just turns to face from an escape isn't the precursor to offense its jobbing the rules) 

  8. 1 hour ago, maligned said:

    Some really good performances by some Indiana kids in the first session. Hildebrandt, Lee, Red, McCormick, Harvey were all incredible. 

    Sadly, the Parris loss really dampened the whole experience. We all knew he was undersized and that he struggles with the bigger guys, but I think it was just highlighted all the more again. I really hope he can make a run still, but bigger guys have figured him out a bit. Those next 10 or 15 pounds will make such a big difference, but I hope that loss doesn't derail this season's promise.

    The asterisk of the early session for me is Micic. Of course he won easily enough, but I wasn't comfortable picking him to win a title with his knee issue and the vulnerability he showed in moments in that match didn't alleviate my feelings of uneasiness about challenges he'll face in the later rounds.

    He is definitely less than 100%. He techs that kid in 2 periods 3 weeks ago. Micic was the clear #1 all year it's just a shame he isn't fully healthy right now.

  9. 13 minutes ago, SWINfan said:

    It didn't cost him the win, but OK State's Jacobe Smith didn't scout well and chooses down against Hughes in the 2nd period.  Hughes rides him the whole 2nd period then chose top in the 3rd.  Hughes got 2 back points and riding time to take the match to sudden victory.  As proven in the first period where Smith took the 4-1 lead, he gets the takedown in SV to get the 6-4 win.  

    Hughes could be dangerous if he could make big improvements from his feet by next year.  He can't win at a high level being strong only on top.

    Did you see Y2 sitting matside smiling as big as the sky when OK St choose down in the second?

  10. 4 hours ago, Indysportsfan said:

    I was under the impression Elijah Oliver qualified for the NCAA tournament all 4 years....is that not consistency?

    Fair point, but its representative of zero growth. If a guy is ranked 12th in his freshman year one would expect the progression is to 2 or 3 time AA, not 4 time qualifier. That said he looks the best he's been in years and primed for a deep run. Hopefully it turns into an AA Sr season.

  11. On 3/11/2019 at 5:38 PM, Y2CJ41 said:

    A major part of it is parents and the events. Name another sport where a kid will get 5 minutes of "playing time" over 3-8 hours? The way we have always done it can't be an excuse to change the format of our events. I know we have a lot of success with the weeknight events where another club comes and they match up on the fly. 

    We have to sell the sport to not only the kids, but also the parents or they'll find something else for their kid to do.

    That's spot on.

    I think the current local tourney formats are a turnoff. Trying to squeeze HS thru K wrestlers into one gym(s) and making kids wait all day to wrestle twice is turning kids away not growing the sport. I understand local clubs have to generate revenue and this has always been the model but maybe we need to explore other options. Volunteers put countess hours in to make these tourneys go, and not one of them intentionally makes kids wait for 5 hours between matches. Unfortunately it still happens and will continue to happen under the current system.

    Wouldn't that volunteer time be better spent on something that was driving interest in our sport, or at the very least not driving them away?

    I'm not sure what that looks like, but maybe some Round Robin as Galagore mentions or the evening tourneys where kids can get in and out quick. More age specific events? 

  12. https://www.flowrestling.org/articles/6394462-an-outsiders-take-on-the-big-ten-championships

    An interesting take from a wrestling neophyte. I think he hits on a lot of what's good (skill level, athleticism and competitiveness) about the sport and some of what's bad (singlets, etc...). 

    Red really impressed the writer with athletic ability, determination and showmanship. As much as myself and many others on the board love the way Nick Lee takes care of business in a workmanlike fashion and when he wins he acts like he's been there, this doesn't move the fan needle. We need to recognize there is a place for both, and when competing for fan interest, like it or not, guys like Red are the ones keeping fans watching.

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