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Is it up somewhere and my lack of computer savvy just can't find it?

Is it up somewhere and my lack of computer savvy just can't find it?

138 is really a toss up......the eicher kid could pull the upset (based on rankings)......he sure seems to go through most of his opponents rather quickly....and yet to suffer a loss!

Rather ironic that these two could potentially meet up with a state birth on the line.

He sure didn't major Glogouski. He won 4-2, but great showing and a few more seconds and it may have been a different match!

pepple is for sure the favorite but i'm not sure about majoring glogouski......they both have to get to each other first but i think glogouski will hang with him.....

Elkhart Central's Issac Barrios makes the most of his transition from basketball to wrestling
Coming off a second straight Elkhart Sectional title, heavyweight wrestler Issac Barrios goes into the Goshen Regional on Saturday, Feb. 7, with a 24-3 record.
 
http://www.elkharttruth.com/sports/high-school/2015/02/04/Elkhart-Central-s-Issac-Barrios-makes-the-most-of-his-transition-from-basketball-to-wrestling.html

pepple is for sure the favorite but i'm not sure about majoring glogouski......they both have to get to each other first but i think glogouski will hang with him.....

There is a process for approving a skin condition as non-contagious which allows a wrestler to compete and that has already been discussed. This process is actually in place to take the decision process off of the "untrained" official. Unfortunately unethical behavior has forced officials to make decisions on skin conditions that I guarantee they don't want to make.
 
Is it the best system? No. Do wrestlers that are contagious slip thru the cracks and are allowed to wrestle? Yes. Do wrestlers that are non-contagious not allowed to wrestle? Yes.
 
Arguing whether an official is qualified to make a decision on a skin condition is a waste of time. There are 2 ways to help this situation:
 
1. Coaches, Parents and Wrestlers make skin issues a non-issue by having good hygiene, washing mats and being relentless to identify any problems. When a skin condition does pop up during the season get it treated correctly. Do not worry about wrestling the next match until the condition is truly gone. Wrestling in conference with an iffy skin condition that a doctor signed off on (on the correct IHSAA note) doesn't mean much if your season (or high school career) is ended at weigh-ins of Sectional because the skin condition wasn't truly non-contagious (or at least doesn't look non-contagious to the official).
 
2. Coaches and IHSWCA demand that the IHSAA requires host schools to employee a licensed physician for Sectional, Regional, Semi-State and State. Charge $1 more at admission to pay for them if that is what it takes. Having a licensed physician at every "Major" tournament is not a realistic goal but I think it is very reasonable to have all the Sectional sites (and Reg, SS, S) have a doctor for weigh in. Most weigh-ins take 30-45 mins. I imagine the cost wouldn't be very much to get a doctor just for weigh-ins.
 
Notice I didn't say anything about having the right note or training officials. These are not the problems. Getting skin conditions under control for the health and safety of high school athletes needs to be the priority not letting a kid wrestle at any event.
 
And before someone says the condition in question from the original post wasn't contagious, I am referring to the overall problem of skin conditions and unethical behavior surrounding skin conditions which leads to a kid who probably should be able to wrestle getting DQd at Sectional.

i'm just discussing an issue that i did not fully understand and it appears that many people on here did not understand either......isn't that what this forum is for?......as i said, i thought it was ok to wrap a spot and move on......i know you need to have the proper forms and so on but i did not know that a ref could over rule a doctors note......now obvioulsy there are circumstances where i'm sure they can (and should) if there is a fresh open oozing wound....i just didn't realize they had the final say on what "originally sounded like in this post", a minor spot that had the proper documentation......this has been a very interesting discussion that has brought out many thoughts from many coaches and refs......i am in no way putting down the refs for doing their jobs and never once said anything in that manner......all i said was that they have a tough job that is subjective at times......i likened this subject to the stalling, out of bounds and pins that one ref might call one way and one would call the other because it is in fact the same......the opinion of the ref......i feel the refs we have been around all these years do a good job  of getting it right and are always looking out for the safety of our kids........i'm not questioning their authority or their abilities......just asking questions that are about this subject......so to answer your question no i would not want my son wrestling a someone with an open wound and i wouldn't let my son on the mat if he had that condition.....

I'm not sure what you're looking for here Mr Vaughn, as it seems like you question every response as if you are looking for a specific answer. It's pretty simple... have the right note, and the area does not look contagious, and it eliminates 100% of the issue. Regardless of what the note said and what form it is on, though, it is the ref's discretion if the area in question looks to be contagious. Unfortunately, "whether or not it looks contagious" is 100% the ref's opinion, and they should error on the side of safety I would think. I wouldn't care what the note said, but if it had juice coming out of it, I wouldn't let him wrestle. Is it a perfect system? No, but it's the best we have unless the home management provides a medical professional (not a trainer) on site to make the determination. Your son(s) wrestle in Elkhart...would you want them wrestling somebody with a questionable skin condition?  Wrapping it up is NOT an option.

never said i was fine with it as a wide open anything goes statement.....i did however say that if a doctors note says it's ok and not contagious, wrap it up anyway as an additional precaution, and let them wrestle........and i always thought that was the acceptable thing to do......once again though you have managed to put words in someones mouth that they did not stay......

this will be a great match i think.......i would think pepple would be the favorite but glogouski looked bad to the bone last weekend.....

i was assuming that the person that told me it was for the spot on his face knew what he was talking about......lol

I feel it would be nice at most major tournaments (both jarge in-season events and the IHSAA tournament series)  if a certified medical person available for at least an hour in-case of any concerns during weigh-ins.  In these major events that can have a decent impact of the wrestlers season, it seems fair that an effort should be made to acquire the services of a doctor, nurse practitioner, or whatever other medical professional is given the authority to examine and clear any questionable issues.
 
We had a situation a few years back where one of our senior wrestlers was not allowed to compete in a major in season tournament because the weigh-in official was worried about a raised redish/pink splotch on the wrestlers chest.  We had the official form filled out at the start of the years by his family doctor documenting our wrestler has eczema flair ups occasionally.  We also had a second official form documenting the doctor had seen the wrestler a day prior because the wrestler had a residual raised redish/pink splotch on his chest due to a recent eczema flair up that was still noticeable after most of the rest of the eczema at cleared up.  However, the official still questioned the area and would not allow our wrestler (who had a decently high seed) to compete without clearance from an on sight doctor since he suspected the spot may actually be ringworm.   We asked the tournament director if an on-site doctor was available, but he said no they did not have one for the event.  We pointed out one or two other small areas of eczema that could faintly be seen around his elbow joint and neck, but I guess that wasn't noticeable enough for the ref to take into consideration.   We asked if we could call his family doctor for confirmation and the tournament director and referee said that would not be good enough.  During our hustle to try and remedy the matter someone working at the event identified themselves as a nurse and offered to assist in the matter, but we were directed she was not qualified to make the final call on the decision. She then informed us that their was a immediate care medical clinic about two miles down the road that we could take the wrestler too in order to get the proper documentation.  When we asked the tournament director if we could go the the clinic in order to get the clearance prior to the event starting, he said no that since the medical professional was not of staff to talk to the ref about the matter that this would not be accepted and they were going to move forward with the event. 
 
Luckily this was/is not a regularly occurring issue and the wrestlers often get to compete with the proper documentation.  However, it did matter at the one event as the head ref and tournament director were set in the decision and it cost our wrestler a chance to compete in a major in-season tournament.  I do understand the caution the ref's must take to ensure other wrestlers are not exposed to potential season ending issue, and thus have to make tough decisions even if they are not medical experts. As such I am not completely blaming the ref for the issue, as his hands were somewhat tied by not having someone with better medical qualification to look to for a better opinion.   Yet, had the tournament director had the proper medical person available for just the hour weigh-in's I'm positive this would not have been an issue.  Or if he had had been slightly more open to alternative solutions to solving the situation since an hour still existed before the tournament was to start.

I agree with much of your post regarding college wrestling except for the time involved for no pro future.  College athletics shouldn't be looked at as a stepping stone for a professional athletics career.  I think you have to be foolish to look at it in those terms quite frankly.  Athletics should be used as a tool to get college paid for or for a student to get accepted to a university they ordinarily wouldn't have a chance of gaining admittance.  I actually had this very talk with a former state champion's father and although the wrestler in question didn't have what most people would consider a successful college career, he did graduate from an Ivy League school and is winning the battle so to speak, as he's gainfully employed and is able to walk in to most interviews with a leg up because of his education.  
 
Getting beat up and having injuries on a day to day basis and participating in a sport that no one outside of us crazy people and your family cares about is hard, but those who get that parchment paper are that much more prepared for future success, and I'm not talking about parchment paper with General Studies at the top! 

i think you're going to have to explain that one.......

Than it should go by grade point average.  Who is putting the most time in to both sports and grades.

I could be wrong but I have heard that the NLC adopted this method because of long and contentious seeding meetings.  I 

Do you guys not know that james has already dominated cash & lee , not to mention is the only kid in the state of Indiana that has beat red????
James is a lock at 138!

right on the mark......

right on the mark......

i get that. I know a guy you may know named Joe Stewart who had or has one of the best head locks I've ever seen. Often times in high school and in college he hit that headlock and pinned his opponent he was losing at the time. He still got the win. I was trying to point out what Coach Booker taught me in1986. No excuses. If I'm up 13 and get pinned I obviously have flaws I need to work on. Just my 2 cents no malice here.

Mater Dei......2015 Indiana 3A State Champions......end of story.

Mater Dei......2015 Indiana 3A State Champions......end of story.