rookie78 Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 Are the qualifying numbers the same as in years past? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 I would guess in the next day or two. As always the ratings to determine the ever controversial sectional and regional strength took a few tries to get ironed out. I know maligned is working on it though. Nate Spangle, piscis1956 and randalllynch 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piscis1956 Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 3 hours ago, Y2CJ41 said: I would guess in the next day or two. As always the ratings to determine the ever controversial sectional and regional strength took a few tries to get ironed out. I know maligned is working on it though. Yes, I think some of this season’s intriguing sectional and regional realignments caused a lot of ironing to be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 46 minutes ago, piscis1956 said: Yes, I think some of this season’s intriguing sectional and regional realignments caused a lot of ironing to be done. It's actually more of the dual and tournament results. There are minor things that happen to the data like not having JV listed or stuff like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maligned Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 (edited) 1 hour ago, piscis1956 said: Yes, I think some of this season’s intriguing sectional and regional realignments caused a lot of ironing to be done. You're right, there were some changes in the Indy and south/southwest sites because of all the moving. "Categories" are tabulated based on how many collective projected regional or semi-state qualifiers there are at a given site. An average-level site is Category 4, meaning there are roughly 4 advancement-level kids per weight class at that site. So moving schools around definitely impacts things. For example, if you move two schools into one sectional that would be expected to get 18 through and move out two schools expected to get only 4 through, you've jumped a Category level right there (+18 - 4 = +14 = 1 per weight extra advancement-level kids). A site that was a Category 4 before would then become a Category 5 and receive advancement points for 5 kids instead of 4. I've got all the data out to our data managers already, but I need some more time to get out the Procedures doc later today. Edited January 29 by maligned piscis1956 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestling Scholar Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 Does Maligned post the Genius ratings anymore, or will? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brickfor6 Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 @maligned Will the Hobart Regional still be rated the lowest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattM Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 51 minutes ago, maligned said: You're right, there were some changes in the Indy and south/southwest sites because of all the moving. "Categories" are tabulated based on how many collective projected regional or semi-state qualifiers there are at a given site. An average-level site is Category 4, meaning there are roughly 4 advancement-level kids per weight class at that site. So moving schools around definitely impacts things. For example, if you move two schools into one sectional that would be expected to get 18 through and move out two schools expected to get only 4 through, you've jumped a Category level right there (+18 - 4 = +14 = 1 per weight extra advancement-level kids). A site that was a Category 4 before would then become a Category 5 and receive advancement points for 5 kids instead of 4. I've got all the data out to our data managers already, but I need some more time to get out the Procedures doc later today. I sure don't envy your calculations when it comes to the shift our sectional had this year and its additional effect on the regional. piscis1956 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 17 minutes ago, brickfor6 said: @maligned Will the Hobart Regional still be rated the lowest? Probably not if you send him some Hobart gear. piscis1956 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maligned Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 20 minutes ago, brickfor6 said: @maligned Will the Hobart Regional still be rated the lowest? Ha...locked in for life. There are actually no Category 2s at any site this year. You're one of many 3s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maligned Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 (edited) 35 minutes ago, brickfor6 said: @maligned Will the Hobart Regional still be rated the lowest? The Lake Central move added about 8 expected semi-state qualifiers (assuming an "average" site) to your regional, and the rest of the regional collectively improved slightly. You're closer to a 4 than a 2 now, actually. Edited January 29 by maligned littleblack.backpack 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brickfor6 Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 1 minute ago, maligned said: The Lake Central move added about 8 expected semi-state qualifiers to your regional, and the rest of the regional collectively improved slightly. You're closer to a 4 than a 2 now, actually. So are we a 4 or a 3? We will take 4 if thats an option lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maligned Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 25 minutes ago, MattM said: I sure don't envy your calculations when it comes to the shift our sectional had this year and its additional effect on the regional. Thanks for the compassion, but it's all pretty streamlined now. We just have to move the teams around and the calculations happen pretty automatically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maligned Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 2 minutes ago, brickfor6 said: So are we a 4 or a 3? We will take 4 if thats an option lol Sorry to confuse you. I mentioned you're a 3 in the comment right before the remark that you're closer to a 4 than a 2. brickfor6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brickfor6 Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 Just now, maligned said: Sorry to confuse you. I mentioned you're a 3 in the comment right before the remark that you're closer to a 4 than a 2. Okay thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bomber_bob Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 I believe the new classification data is set to come out sometime this spring. Assuming that the data comes out after the first Team State Standings, will those classifications get updated and be used for next years' State Duals when the numbers come out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maligned Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 On 1/29/2024 at 3:32 PM, bomber_bob said: I believe the new classification data is set to come out sometime this spring. Assuming that the data comes out after the first Team State Standings, will those classifications get updated and be used for next years' State Duals when the numbers come out? If the new data is released before the end of the tournament, we'll use it. Often it has been historically. However, it was released far after the season last cycle. Because of that, we're currently in the process of studying up-to-date DOE numbers to be sure they're viable and fair for all schools anywhere near any cut lines. If they are, we'll use DOE numbers this year unless a State Finals hard deadline for IHSAA publishing is met. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattM Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 (edited) 14 minutes ago, maligned said: If the new data is released before the end of the tournament, we'll use it. Often it has been historically. However, it was released far after the season last cycle. Because of that, we're currently in the process of studying up-to-date DOE numbers to be sure they're viable and fair for all schools anywhere near any cut lines. If they are, we'll use DOE numbers this year unless a State Finals hard deadline for IHSAA publishing is met. Not sure what your process is for finding the DOE school attendance numbers, but the 2nd of the two official DOE school “Count Days” is tomorrow (Thursday). The attendance number provided by schools for that specific day would be used to decide the enrollment for the school year. So the school numbers may shift once school submit their data and it works through the DOE system. How long that takes is anyone’s guess. Also, I’m not sure if that becomes the new reliable number or if it gets average with the number from the 1st “Count Day” which occurred in October. Edited February 1 by MattM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maligned Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 Just now, MattM said: Not sure what your process is for finding the DOE school attendance numbers, but the 2nd of the two official DOE school “Count Days” is tomorrow (Thursday). The attendance number provided by schools for that specific day would be used to decide the enrollment for the school year. So the school numbers may shift once school submit their data and it works through the DOE system. I’m not sure if that becomes the new reliable number or if it gets average with the number from the 1st “Count Day” which occurred in October. It will take too much time for that to be published, so we're going with the numbers from October, knowing they're more accurate than February 2022 and hoping the IHSAA publishes its version in the next couple weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 We should just have the coaches count kids at their school tomorrow and report it here. piscis1956 and maligned 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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