ATC Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 I would like to recognize the smaller schools out there who may not make it to team state, however, those teams year in and year out put out a solid team. I have no intention of messing with the overall team rankings. I just want to support more than 15-20 programs that currently get ranked. I want to support 45-60 programs. I think seeing your team ranked is an honor and good for the sport of wrestling. Divide the schools up into 3 equal divisions. Rank them every couple of weeks. I would like to recognize the top teams at the end of the season in someway. Something the kids on those teams can look at and build off of (trophy, plaque, certificate, etc). My original idea was to represent/recognize some of those top teams that didnt make it to team state at team state in between the Semi's and the Final round. Puts fans in the stands at the end of the day for the finals as well as recognize the hard work of some outstanding programs. Maybe all the teams that are ranked get an end of the season ranking certificate as well. I'm not sure if this is against any rules, however, I think it would be cool to support those teams that are invited by giving them tickets for their team. I would be willing to donate $ from our program if this is idea is supported. I also have not thought about how to work out the rankings. Maybe more to come. Aaron Moss Ben Davis Wrestling aaron.moss@wayne.k12.in.us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infowrestling Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 One of the cross country websites does a small and medium school poll. They divide the state into 3 divisions and rank the lower 2. I'm not sure why they do not add the large school divison. I'm guessing it's because there isn't much variation between the regular rankings and the large schools rankings. Here is a link if you want to take a look: http://indianarunner.com/smallschoolpoll.aspx I'm not sure who votes on these either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 They also do a class all-state team. I know many of our cross country kids have received recognition from them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATC Posted November 11, 2010 Author Share Posted November 11, 2010 Please respond to this post. I want to know if this is a good idea or if this would be a waste of time. Thanks Moss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boot Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 I think it's a great idea. Gives some recognition and incentive to even more programs. XC isn't classed but still recognizes strong programs of different sizes, we should as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cewrestlingfan Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 I like the idea. More programs need the recognition for the hard work the coaches and kids give. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachW33 Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 I like the idea. More programs need the recognition for the hard work the coaches and kids give. I agree 100%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infowrestling Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 When will you be working on these rankings? Could we see the list of schools with wrestling divided into 3 divisions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darrick Snyder Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 I love the idea! Now we are starting to come together! Aaron I am with you...Lets make this happen...Let me know what I can do to help...We would be wiling to contribute $ too...This would be good for ALL programs. snyderd@mishawaka.k12.in.us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indyt Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 Aaron, I posted this the other day and just said a coach from our sectional came up with the idea. I wasnt sure if you wanted to forge ahead with it. Now that you are let me know what we can do as well. Money, help, support-great idea. Jimmy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarlHungus Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 Is this on the agenda for the Coach's meeting this weekend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indyt Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 As far as I know the agenda is open to suggestions. I am not sure who is running the committe but I think ideas will be shared, talked about and should be narrowed down and the voted on by association. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bburgcatman Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 Great Idea. There are a lot of schools that are definitely not getting the recognition that they should based on what they are able to put together year after year. What would the population cut-offs be for the school classes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infowrestling Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 Where can you find a list of high schools that participate in wrestling in the state of Indiana? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMWC2009 Posted November 12, 2010 Share Posted November 12, 2010 This just literally came to me, while reading the posts. I know that some smaller schools don't have a full roster of all weights. IS there anything that could be done to consolidate weights in the smallest of schools. Now hear me out on this before you say NO. Many states play 8 man football where enrollments are small. Why not Wrestling? If they could field only 10 wrestlers. Get some of the 5 lb consecutive weights out something like this: 103, 112, 119, 130, 140, 152, 171, 189, 215 and HWT. If these schools choose to wrestle bigger schools then they would still take the forfeits. But, still allow these kids to go to individual state, just fold them in at sectionals. I think this could actually allow more schools to offer a wrestling program. And increase participant. Set up a Team Champion for this smaller team, if we ever decide to go to class wrestling. Just a crazy thought that entered my mind. Think about it though. Could be scary stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smooth34 Posted November 12, 2010 Share Posted November 12, 2010 This just literally came to me, while reading the posts. I know that some smaller schools don't have a full roster of all weights. IS there anything that could be done to consolidate weights in the smallest of schools. Now hear me out on this before you say NO. Many states play 8 man football where enrollments are small. Why not Wrestling? If they could field only 10 wrestlers. Get some of the 5 lb consecutive weights out something like this: 103, 112, 119, 130, 140, 152, 171, 189, 215 and HWT. If these schools choose to wrestle bigger schools then they would still take the forfeits. But, still allow these kids to go to individual state, just fold them in at sectionals. I think this could actually allow more schools to offer a wrestling program. And increase participant. Set up a Team Champion for this smaller team, if we ever decide to go to class wrestling. Just a crazy thought that entered my mind. Think about it though. Could be scary stuff. The middle weight classes aren't usually the ones the smaller schools have getting kids. It's the 103, 215, and 285 lb weight classes that gives most schools trouble. Coaches have to walk around recruiting small kids and/or big kids just so they don't have forfeits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ENoblewrestling Posted November 12, 2010 Share Posted November 12, 2010 Karl just got all of the info together. Maybe we could use the genius rankings for these. Are those going to be done again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATC Posted November 12, 2010 Author Share Posted November 12, 2010 I'm surprised I dont know this but how do we currently rank Teams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarlHungus Posted November 12, 2010 Share Posted November 12, 2010 I'm surprised I dont know this but how do we currently rank Teams? I was under the assumption that it was by vote of regional reps?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATC Posted November 12, 2010 Author Share Posted November 12, 2010 I'm a regional rep... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarlHungus Posted November 12, 2010 Share Posted November 12, 2010 Not the first time an assumption of mine is faulty. In football, each region has a rep that votes from each of the 5 classes. This seams to get a decent representation from across the state. Since wrestling also has regional reps, I assumed it was done in a similar fashion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimtown 138 Posted November 12, 2010 Share Posted November 12, 2010 This just literally came to me, while reading the posts. I know that some smaller schools don't have a full roster of all weights. IS there anything that could be done to consolidate weights in the smallest of schools. Now hear me out on this before you say NO. Many states play 8 man football where enrollments are small. Why not Wrestling? If they could field only 10 wrestlers. Get some of the 5 lb consecutive weights out something like this: 103, 112, 119, 130, 140, 152, 171, 189, 215 and HWT. If these schools choose to wrestle bigger schools then they would still take the forfeits. But, still allow these kids to go to individual state, just fold them in at sectionals. I think this could actually allow more schools to offer a wrestling program. And increase participant. Set up a Team Champion for this smaller team, if we ever decide to go to class wrestling. Just a crazy thought that entered my mind. Think about it though. Could be scary stuff. Classing the teams will hopefully get more kids to want to participate in wrestling and take care of this situation... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMWC2009 Posted November 12, 2010 Share Posted November 12, 2010 The middle weight classes aren't usually the ones the smaller schools have getting kids. It's the 103, 215, and 285 lb weight classes that gives most schools trouble. Coaches have to walk around recruiting small kids and/or big kids just so they don't have forfeits. I was just making a suggestion. There needs to be a committee that decides actual weights for this smaller division. I know that there will be some schools that would have all the higher and lower weights, and not be happy that they were excluded. I am open to other ideas, that will increase the participation of wrestling at ALL schools. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimtown 138 Posted November 12, 2010 Share Posted November 12, 2010 I was just making a suggestion. There needs to be a committee that decides actual weights for this smaller division. I know that there will be some schools that would have all the higher and lower weights, and not be happy that they were excluded. I am open to other ideas, that will increase the participation of wrestling at ALL schools. I'm just worried that if we start eliminating weight classes, that we'll be getting closer and closer to Y2's master plan of having only one weight class! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darrick Snyder Posted November 12, 2010 Share Posted November 12, 2010 The following coaches rank teams...I am then in charge of adding up their votes for our Team Rankings: Here are the coaches: Coaches Voting: 1. Cloud, Dave - Pendleton Heights 2. Deckard, Royce-Bloomington 3.Faurote, Brent-Bellmont 4.Ferguson, Scott ? Evansville Reitz 5. Greg Gastineau ? Hamilton Southeastern 6. Hartman, Al-Clay 7.Harmon, Bob-Castle 8.Hobbs, Andy-Peru 9.Maglis, Jim - Princeton 10.Mattingly, Larry/Jeff Schaefer ? Evansville Memorial 11.McGinley, Sean ? Indianapolis Cathedral 12.Minch, JD - North Montgomery 13.Maldonado, David - Merrillville 14.Peckinpaugh, Rex-New Castle 15. Sisson, Brandon ? Floyd Central 16.Snyder, Darrick ? Mishawaka 17. Struck, Danny - Jeff 18.Tonte, Jim-Perry Meridian 19.Voigt, Paul-FW Carroll 20.Watkins, Jim-Calumet 21.Williams, Jared ? Lawrence North Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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